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Mum has Issues, but I (adult dd) still want a relationship

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TirisfalPumpkin · 31/07/2021 21:01

Hi. I’m trying to negotiate a better relationship with my difficult mum as an adult. I have asked for this forum’s help before and you were excellent. I appreciate some things can’t be fixed and you end up no-contact. That’s on the table but I’d rather it were a last resort.

Bit of background: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4001273-I-stood-up-to-my-mum-she-assaulted-me

So that wasn’t great, it was about a year ago. She did apologise, but not really in a satisfying way. My boundary was, this doesn’t happen again, ever, and you need to get some help/support to change this behaviour pattern. There was effusive sorry and I’m a bad person but I always try to be kind, but very light on the specifics on what was actually going to change (plus a bunch of excuses about how it was really my fault or I was mis-remembering, plus other family members who wanted me to stop talking about it and forget it so we could go back to normal). We had a back and forth for a bit via email and in the end got assurance that she wasn’t going to hit, grapple or trap me in the house any more, and she was going to try even harder to be kind. That seemed to be about as good as I was going to get, so I accepted the apology and we agreed to put the thing behind us.

There hasn’t been a repeat of the violent behaviour, and I’ve really stuck to my boundary about not accepting the silent treatment, so there has been much less of that – win. She tried to pull it at a family gathering and we all just kept on cheerfully talking to her and ignoring her sulking until she got over it. There hasn’t been a repeat since.

Unfortunately, lately the verbal aggression and control-freakery is creeping back in. Family have been helping me with some house improvements, I’m grateful for the help (my work is 60+ hours a week at the moment) but her need to control everything is really grinding me down. The way she does it is like, ‘it’s completely your choice, here’s 6 [household items] I think would look good, but remember, up to you!’’ and I’m like, ‘thanks mum, I like number 3’. By her cat bum mouth reaction it’s obviously the wrong choice, so I have to play this kind of ridiculous game of guessing which one she has already chosen but it being ‘my choice’, repeat ad nauseum. I’m pretty chill about how my house gets fixed up but it’s beginning to not feel like my house, as she has picked out literally everything and we have quite different taste. There just seems to be no room for negotiation. It was offered as ‘we’ll help so things move faster while you’re working’ and it’s now morphed into this massive renovation project far beyond the original ‘fixing the broken bits in my old house so it doesn’t fall down’. It’s clear I can’t have the help that is helpful to me, I get what mum wants to do, her way. I don’t think I ever actually agreed to any of this, it was just decided for me, ‘it needs doing and we’re going to do it’. It’s actually getting quite disruptive of my work as I tell them when I have meetings or confidential calls, and they just turn up and start shouting or drilling holes regardless. I’d rather just deal with stuff myself with my limited DIY skills because the side conditions of the help are too much.

Today she came with my dad to help me clear a room, and was on form – me and dad were doing the heavy lifting and she was shouting orders (sometimes illogical / wouldn’t work / unsafe) about how we were to do things, then when we pointed out the problems (‘if we do it like that we’ll hit the door frame / take a chunk of plaster out of the ceiling’) she’d huff, strop, ‘you just do what you want, you don’t listen to anything I say’, (for her listening means doing what she says) while shoving past me when I’m trying to manoeuvre a heavy appliance. She was the same with my dad all day, but he just takes it and apologises, which makes me internally furious. Dad and I are quite similar, we’re easy-going and laid back, while mum cannot relax and needs to control, project-manage and supervise absolutely everything and lashes out when she doesn’t get her own way.

I’m so sick of it being like this. I think we need some sort of family therapy, but I don’t know how to put it out there as an option that will be even considered (or how you organise it – Relate?). I am getting better at boundaries and have had some success (much more needed). I’m learning from scratch as an adult as I never had any growing up. I think I need not so much regular, normal person boundaries as the Three Gorges Dam, given her behaviour, so it’s a bit of a learning curve.

Having read that over I’m questioning why I even want a relationship. I guess I don’t want her to be staring down old age alone. Her family (my grandfather/uncles/cousins) are NC with her already, I don’t know why – won’t tell me - but I’m guessing her behaviour. I want the entire dynamic to improve for my dad too. He doesn’t need to spend his retirement getting screamed at. If the relationship is irreparable, I will also lose dad and siblings as they will – not quite take her side, but they will prioritise ‘easy life’, i.e. let her do whatever she wants. I have no other family and a pretty limited social network, so going NC is really the nuclear option. Want to try other things first.

Appreciate any thoughts you have on where to go from here.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/07/2021 21:27

Nothing else can be tried and besides which you’ve tried your whole life.
You cannot act as either a rescuer or saviour in any relationship, neither approach works. Your parents do not want to be rescued and or saved.
The only person you can help here ultimately is you and you need to rebuild your life.

What do you know about your mother’s childhood, that often gives clues.

You need to accept that she has not and will not change. This is who she is. Her apology to you was a really a non apology and therefore meaningless. I would urge you not to attempt any form of family therapy with your mother and father. She does not want it and is not amenable to receiving it. She has never sought the necessary help. She does not think they have done anything wrong with regards to you. It’s not your fault she is like this and you did not make her that way. She in all likelihood has some form of untreated and untreatable personality disorder.

Your dad has already taken her side and your siblings will likely side with them mainly because they do not want to be targeted as you have been.
She’s got her willing enabler in the shape of your dad and it’s his choice to be with her. He gets what he wants out of their destructive and dysfunctional relationship and he has thrown you under the bus many times out of wanting self preservation and want of a quiet life. He has also failed you abjectly as a parent.

Why indeed do you want a relationship, be honest with yourself here. Do you really think it’s possible to have a relationship with someone like your mother?. No it is not. She does not want it, she wants to use you as the scapegoat for all her inherent ills. As for she getting old well that happens to a lot of people and it’s no basis whatsoever for a relationship. She was once young and abusive and now she is old and abusive.

You need to drop the rope here along with any and all hope that either parent will change. Your mother’s relatives do not have any contact with your mother for good reason.

Get therapy on your own and work on your boundaries. Abuse like described can take years to recover from. Contact the BACP and find a therapist well versed in abuse within families. These people are like shoes, you need to find someone who fits in with your approach.

Do look at the current Well we took you to Stately Homes thread on these Relationships pages. Also read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.

TirisfalPumpkin · 01/08/2021 21:13

Thank you, Attilathemeerkat. All of that is good advice and some I probably knew already but needed a reminder.

I get that my dad enables my mum. I guess in his case it's inaction rather than action. Not that it makes the net effect on me any better, but it feels less blameworthy. I wouldn't blame anyone in an abusive relationship for doing what they need to do to protect themselves - but it is fair to say it's a failure as a parent.

Did have a browse for a counsellor in my area. Haven't had the best experiences with that in the past but maybe worth another shot. I badly need the boundaries 101 talk.

I also suspect she's beginning to lose her marbles as a lot of her demands just don't make sense, but I figure we'll deal with that when it starts to cause actual problems. I wonder if being nasty for years speeds up cognitive decline as there seem to be quite a few unpleasant but now dependent mum stories on here.

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category12 · 01/08/2021 21:33

If you're determined to have her in your life, you need to have boundaries boundaries boundaries and constantly police and enforce them.

Personally I think you should stop the work on your house right now. It's turning into something you don't want and not even in your taste. All favours from them come with ropes attached.

"This has got out of hand and beyond what I wanted done. I know you mean well, but it's my home and it's really disruptive. So let's call it a day at this point, and I'll get the rest of it fixed up at my own pace when I'm ready".

TirisfalPumpkin · 02/08/2021 09:33

Yeah, I think I'm going to put a stop to anything not already booked/paid for. They're already talking about replacing the furniture in another room and ripping out fittings in another it just feels like it's never going to end. To be fair, the stuff being done right now is objectively an improvement (it's just not what I would have and it's being done with no respect to me trying to work from home). It's on me for letting it overspill but yeah, after this, no more.

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