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Reducing contact with toxic father

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PaternalQuestion · 30/07/2021 13:09

My father is a very toxic person. As a child he caused me psychological, emotional and physical harm which has had long lasting consequences for me. For two years many years ago I went no contact and it was one of the most restful periods of my life. There was a specific reason that ended which I can't really go into (I'm worried about this being outing so I'll try and keep extra details to the minimum).

A few years ago I ended an abusive marriage and was going to move to a particular area of the country. However, niggling at me was the thought that if I never saw my dad again then when he died I'd regret it, and he'd be on my mind forever. This I most certainly did not want! So I decided to move nearer to him so that wouldn't happen. Which now sounds crazy, but at the time it felt like an either/or choice. I now realise there were other ways to deal with it. But never mind. What's done is done. The day after I moved here I started a moving fund to move to the place I actually wanted to be. (Due to illness, covid, and other factors that is gone.)

Over the last decade I've come to know him as the same old toxic person, so I'm glad that has been resolved. Just as an example one time I was at his house with some other relatives. He told a little girl there that she had to behave in a certain way (I can't remember exactly how) otherwise she would "end up like that", pointing to me. Everyone was aghast and I ended up crying. Another example is I was seriously ill in hospital, and was very ill afterwards for a long time, he was dragged along to the hospital, spent five minutes with me, then I didn't see him again for three months until I was well enough to visit him. There are many many other examples.

However, at the same time he can be okay. I realise writing this that it's classic abuser here. My husband was similar, and would tell me I was over sensitive and that he was "only joking". He was a lot more subtle than my father. He was also lovely sometimes. And you all know how that works!!

Anyway, after that preamble, my presenting issue at the moment is that after some trying interactions with him I want to go low contact. Because of the family situation here it's not feasible to go no contact, plus he's worth quite a bit, he's very old and I want some of that money as recompense. This is probably unhealthy.

After the events during my illness I expect you're thinking that it would be quite easy! However, I keep getting dragged in. There's no one else but me allowing this, and it's as if it's an automatic reaction that happens before I can think properly and stop myself. So, I need a bit of advice about that, if anyone can help. Thank you.

The other thing surrounding money is that I've come to realise fairly recently that whilst he criticises me for not making much of myself, and goes on about how can I afford to buy x or y when I've no money, he wants to keep me in this position because it keeps him in a position of power. i.e. the inheritence keeping me in some contact with him. I fantasise about winning a lot of money so I can just forget about him.

I do have skills, experience and qualifications, only I think so little of myself that I struggle to put these to good use, and to be consistent and to keep going. I could be earning anything really because I know I could, my thoughts keep me down though, and I just feel paralised mentally. One of the reasons being a childhood where my father told me I'd never amount to anything, and this current period in my life when he looms very large.

I've had a lot of psychotherapy, which has really helped. And it's helped both by allowing me to work things out a bit and also I've completed two major qualifications that I would otherwise have not finished. I feel I'm through with talking now and want to be more active in how I solve this.

Apologies for the length!

Basically what I want is to reduce contact, but also for him not to be so dominant in my life even when he's not there. (Ultimately, he'll either die or I'll move before he does.)

Also, if anyone has some advice on sorting out what I could do to improve my career situation, I'd be very grateful. I'm self employed and barely getting by, and I feel stuck with how to progress.

I feel having written this that my fixation on his money isn't doing me a lot of good. Also, I feel some outside input will help my confused thoughts. Or pick up something that I've missed.

Thanks for reading!

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PaternalQuestion · 30/07/2021 13:14

Having written this, I also realise that I am in part holding myself back because I don't want him to see me be a success. Which makes it even more vital that I reduce contact somehow.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/07/2021 13:28

There is absolutely no guarantee that he will leave you any money in his will and it would not at all surprise me if you've not been mentioned as a beneficiary. Infact money or a potential promise of it is often used by the abuser as a way of keeping their adult child in line. The adult child sees it as recompense for all the abuse suffered in childhood. Its tainted money though and also keeps you feeling obligated.

You do not need him in your life (he needs you to wield his power and control over) nor his money. Thinking you do at all keeps you further bound to him. He has done you more than enough harm already. Cut him loose along with any and all remain hopes that he will change and or say sorry for the abuse he inflicted towards you. He has never changed and remains the self same as he was towards you in childhood.

Re your comment:-
"Because of the family situation here it's not feasible to go no contact,

A lot of people write similar; its not unusual to write this and fear, obligation and guilt on the part of the adult child is often a factor in writing such comment. I presume you are afraid of the flying monkeys and or a smear campaign against you should you decide to have no contact with your father. You owe this man nothing, let alone a relationship here.

You learnt a lot of damaging lessons about relationships when you were growing up. I am also not a bit surprised that you endured an abusive marriage; your father taught you a shedload of damaging crap about relationships and you were primed from childhood onwards to become accustomed to such abusive treatment, it was familiar to you. Your ex H targeted you deliberately as well.

Would you want to continue with the pyschotherapy you've already had?. It may well help get over these stumbling blocks in your head.

I would also suggest you have a look at and post on the current "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these Relationships pages.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/07/2021 13:30

You do not mention your mother here, is she still alive?.

Do you have siblings?.

PaternalQuestion · 30/07/2021 16:14

Thanks for replying.

No, there is no guarantee he'd leave me money. And he has in the past threatened to leave someone else out of his will. That was a long time ago, though, and he only said it for the power trip, really, to remind people he could do that. Then a trust fund was set up some years ago.

I don't feel at all obligated to him, it's more that I'm doing it out of habit. And I want to get out of that habit, and also want to get over this paralysis that's holding me back elsewhere.

He's a narcisist and he'll never change or say sorry, I know that, he's far too wound up in himself and what's wrong with the world that they haven't recognised his brilliance! He's no interest in anyone but himself, it's actually quite a wonder to behold, his total immersion in himself and he sees no strangeness in this lack of interest in others. He lives in a world where he's puzzled as to why others don't appreciate him more.

No, I'm not afraid of flying monkeys, and it would make this simpler if I'd moved where I wanted to in the first place. As for the rest of his side of the family, I'd be happy to never see them again and, since I'm already the scapegoat I doubt there's anything else that could influence their opinions of me! I don't really care about them.

No I don't want any more psychotherapy, I've had a lot varying from CAT, DBT and ACT. As well as general counselling. I'm fairly fed up talking and analysing. I really want to take action.

I think what's brought this to a head is that despite being well into his 90s, a couple of months ago his doctor said he was as fit as someone 20 years younger and that he could easily live for another decade. I bloody groaned when I heard that. What a pain in the arse! Just die FFS! I can see him becoming the oldest person in the UK eventually, just to annoy everyone.

Also, I've come into contact with a family where the child has similar, if more severe, mental health problems to me and I'm jealous because the father is a rich man, too, yet she isn't excluded from the monetary benefits of that.

I think I'll keep a note of when we've had contact, then make sure it's x amount of time before it happens again. Try and lengthen the time, or keep it to 1 visit and 1 phone call per month or something, and make sure I don't start to drift.

I feel also after thinking about it that I need to sort my work, because once that's sorted to some extent, moving will be much easier. Once I've built up some reserves. I don't have rent/mortgage which makes that a hell of a lot easier, thankfully. I moved to a, not remote, but not really helpful, part of the country and I'd have more work if I was elsewhere. So I think I need to focus on that, and I think that by moving again and he's not physically close I'll think less about him.

I haven't mentioned other specific family members deliberately. Probably lots here that someone could recognise as it is.

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