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Exhausted and depleted (long post!)

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unluckysunset · 21/07/2021 14:39

I've changed for this post as it's pretty outing.

It's a long one...please bear with!

DH and I have been married 22 years (with DD17 at home & DS19 in uni) we've had a fairly good life, but some very hard at times. We've emigrated countries, it was challenging. We've lost parents (mine particularly traumatically) had job challenges and at times things have been very tough financially, a health scare...all the types of things that weigh heavily on people and cause stress. We allowed the struggles of life to distract us, the DC got older, we both became unhappy, I feel I was suffering with my mental health after losing my parents the way I did, DH was having his own struggles. Instead of pulling together we drifted apart, we didn't support each other or even recognise the each other's feelings, we both carry blame. Our sex life suffered and during that time there was lots of bickering and a few huge fall outs, we felt bitterness to each other instead of kindness.

I had my head in the sand, I felt we were rock solid, I was still devoted and in love, I chose not to really accept our problems and if I was forced to do so I told myself we were in a 'rough patch' and we'd get through like we always had. There were always enough great times peppered in amongst the bad for me to cling to the hope that our foundation was still really solid and the love was still there.

DH on the other hand began to decide he was leaving me, the marriage was over for him. He never once talked to me about this decision or thought. He started a new all consuming hobby, started going out more, spending family money on his hobby, he stopped helping me out with things, was grumpy and unkind, picking arguments, but generally very selfish. Eventually he went to see a counsellor and poured his unhappiness out to her, told her it was over for him. She told him to tell his wife how he felt.

After some time, in another big argument he finally blurted it out, he wasn't in love with me, he couldn't bear the thought of growing old with me, he wanted out. I was absolutely blindsided I didn't see it coming.

I came out fighting for our marriage, I loved him I wanted to work on us, get counselling and see if we could fix it. He says he recognised in me that night a love and passion for our marriage he hadn't felt in a long time.

He immediately agreed, it seems when he saw a flicker of hope he wanted to save us.

Since then we have been on a rollercoaster for two years, and working very hard on our relationship. There have been stages throughout that time of happiness and progress, but with some more details unfolding and more honest revelations in counselling our progress hasn't been smooth, there have been some awful bad patches too. He has moved out twice, but soon returned.

I feel like we are always get back to square one though.

His idea of working hard is spending lots of time together, we do so many lovely things as a couple (mostly the things we do are his idea of fun, I enjoy them too but we'd never do something I'd like, I feel I've made a lot of concessions, by his own admission he is a selfish person)

There are lots of things about my personality he doesn't like, he's very judgemental about the way I perform tasks. I have tried very hard to cause less conflict and give in more, his life has become a lot easier and the home is much happier (but I feel I'm always on eggshells to be a better person and help keep him happy, he openly compares me to the women in his family and I am not like them)

The main issue that keeps damaging us is in many disagreement or upsets (sometimes even something small unrelated disagreement) he will escalate things to a whole different level...he will shout and scream uncontrollably at me, that he can't live with me, his feelings have changed, he still wants to leave, he's still unhappy. He seems to have a personality transplant in these moments. He will cry and sob like a little child, he will apologise for his feelings about me changing and be inconsolable or he will rage and call me mean, manipulative, sneer at me, mock me and say awful things about my parents death or my job (both things that are my biggest hurts and insecurities) and ALWAYS tells me the marriage is over. In the heat of the moment He'll say I make him this way and it's my fault (he's never lost his temper with another single human being - ever. It must all be my fault)

When he finally comes down from the outburst he is mortified, regretful and begs for another chance, professes undying love for me, complete commitment. Takes all the blame. The next while is filled with grand gestures of love, words of kindness and promises of a brighter future. I can tell he's under great pressure to fix what the hurt he's caused, he always promises it will never happen again. It always does.

In these moments he will act as destructively towards our marriage as he possibly can, he has no regard for who witnesses the outburst and our DD is damaged by witnessing some of these.

But I am always left damaged and hurt, my mental health has suffered greatly, I feel useless and unlovable and I have had thoughts of self harm and suicide. I feel he's chosen the wrong life partner, and I've failed to live up to his idea of a wife. Anything other than complete serenity in the home takes him back to thoughts that the marriage is broken.

He has admitted (with shame) that when saying those hurtful things to me in an argument he us trying to break me. (I feel he only stops when I have no fight left in me, and then agree that the marriage is over and I am the cause). The 'about turn' he then does would make your head spin! Begging to hug me and wanting assurances that I still love him etc

I am exhausted, I love him very much and I hate seeing him so distressed and tormented, but I'm losing faith in our marriage and relationships in general, I can't see myself ever feeling strong enough to ever leave, and I'd worry too much about him without me anyway as he needs me to navigate his emotions, he doesn't have anyone, no friends he isn't close to his family. I just don't want to leave, I want to find a way to fix him.

Re-reading this i worry I've made myself sound like an innocent victim. Please rest assured, dear reader, I can be very fiery and opinionated and very stubborn too! I am a good person, fiercely loyal and competent devoted and committed. I have had my fair share of blue ups and melt downs. I am flawed and have been rather difficult over the years. Less so now, but I feel my past mistakes are always hanging over me and used against me regularly.

I'd be very interested in peoples opinions, I know MN are a harsh jury and I don't want to just hear LTB. He's a good man, but obviously quite troubled. I'm just so exhausted by this....

OP posts:
FlowerArranger · 22/07/2021 00:19

As I read your post, @unluckysunset, two phrases came to mind:

Cycle of abuse
Flogging a dead horse.

I think you need to let go.
Not just for your sake, but more importantly your daughter's.

timeisnotaline · 22/07/2021 00:20

All these romantic things he does -does it include shopping and washing clothes and making beds and replacing the bath plug and getting the heater serviced? Or is it just things he likes to do for fun in the times when he’s not being truly horrible to you?

SusieSusieSoo · 22/07/2021 00:24

Don't put yourself through it any longer op. Make a plan for a life without eggshells it is truly life changing xx

bluebell34567 · 22/07/2021 00:47

tried to read the thread as much as i can but he doesnt sound normal to me.

you said he was fine before, did he change after the coffee with collegue?

sorry but i think he wants to end it but cant find the courage.

thenewduchessofhastings · 22/07/2021 01:09

Read the script

Midlife crisis: this is the script! www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1527705-Midlife-crisis-this-is-the-script

I'm betting you'll recognise yourself and your DH here.

Also seriously considering doing that freedom programme too.

Your DH needs to become your ExH.

EKGEMS · 22/07/2021 01:13

He sounds batshit crazy and abusive!

Sakurami · 22/07/2021 01:45

What a selfish abusive bastard. And I doubt this has only just started and he was lovely before . Everything has to go his way and you have to go to things he enjoys and you have to do things his way otherwise he tantrums and is abusive to his spouse and with his child witnessing it.

Like others have said, he manages to keep control of his emotions in front of everyone else right?

You would be so much happier without him, you just dont know that because you've been with him for so long. Even if you dont want to do it for yourself, do it for your children. They should not be seeing your relationship as acceptable.

WeepingKitten · 22/07/2021 04:30

This is a toxic relationship. It really shouldn't be this hard. If the person your with does not treat you with respect, does not make your life better and bring joy to it. If you do not do the same for them. You are in the wrong relationship.

He told you it's over for him. Believe him. He may still be with you in body but the resentment is seeping out of him. Let yourselves free and end it. Why are you clinging on to this relationship so hard? I would rather be alone, respecting myself. Doing things for myself that improve my life and bring joy to it.

litterbird · 22/07/2021 04:47

You can choose to stay and flog a dead horse. Your mental health will decline, your poor daughter will suffer irreparably. I believe he is still in touch with OW and he wants out and is breaking you for you to be the one to leave. Your marriage is over, stop bending yourself out of shape because you are stubborn and loyal. You will do more harm to yourself and your child than you can ever imagine. Let him go.

RBKB · 22/07/2021 07:08

@unluckysunset how would you feel if one of your children was being treated like this? Would you want to rescue them? I read this and I want to rescue you. What an unkind man. He has his troubles, you have yours, but he's using his to bully you relentlessly.

SometimesIFeedTheSparrows · 22/07/2021 07:33

I'd say either -

He wants out but he wants you to be the bad guy.

Or -

He wants put but if he can squeeze it out for a couple more years the divorce will be much cheaper as you won't have any dependant children.

Either way you need to decide what you want - treading on eggshells while he destroys you is no life.

Heffapotamus · 22/07/2021 08:05

@litterbird

You can choose to stay and flog a dead horse. Your mental health will decline, your poor daughter will suffer irreparably. I believe he is still in touch with OW and he wants out and is breaking you for you to be the one to leave. Your marriage is over, stop bending yourself out of shape because you are stubborn and loyal. You will do more harm to yourself and your child than you can ever imagine. Let him go.
This.

This dynamic nearly destroyed me and my children. He broke my health in the end, until I had no strength other than to agree to separate.

Don't be me.

Sending you much love and support.

SavageBeauty73 · 22/07/2021 09:02

He sounds horrendous. Read 'Co-dependant no more'. You can't fix him.

MrsMaizel · 22/07/2021 09:12

He told me he was leaving, that I was impossible to live with, that he wanted to live alone 'being a lonely old man would be better than living with me'...there was alcohol involved so this time was particularly hurtful. I was sober and recorded the conversation and listening back after the emotion subsided I recognised the same words and utter destruction he's been repeating for 2 years

What a miserable life you are living and I have been there although not to this extent . You are recording him ? To listen to later ? Why are you doing this to yourself ? You say that he has changed from the man he was - well of course he has - we all do and sometimes things just run their course painful as it may be . I understand that you are possibly fearful of life without him but really this is no life . Stop hanging on . He wants to go so let him . You have a new and better life ahead of you - you just don't know it yet as your mind is fucked by this man .

Badhabits1 · 22/07/2021 09:12

What a horrible way to live. He actually sounds unwell with the screaming and crying and up and down moods and he wants you/he doesn’t want you.

MrsMaizel · 22/07/2021 09:14

[quote unluckysunset]@sunnyzweibrucken I think he's doing exactly that, throwing a toddler tantrum. By breaking me it stops me in my tracks, normally I'd be defending myself, defending us, being strong, talking sense into him....but once I'm upset enough to just agree with his catastrophizing and give up, defeated then he stops. Very soon thereafter the regret sets in.

He refers to me as being strong and solid very often, I think he's relying on me to fix us. I'm losing the energy for this though I'm beginning to feel I need to let go. [/quote]
Talking sense into him ?

You mean you telling him that he doesn't really want to leave ?

MrsMaizel · 22/07/2021 09:17

[quote unluckysunset]@LannieDuck he has put a lot of effort in, he plans weekends away, books sporting events (for the future post covid hopefully) that will be great fun (his favourite sport though!), he is thoughtful and used a recent works bonus to pay off my credit card, he's recently bought me a very fancy car. He is helpful around the house and supportive. He wants to buy a new home, something to fix up - he refers to it as a project for the two of us and a fresh start.

But in everyday life, he has a strong personality, like things his own way he organised and energetic and often it's just easier to go along with his plans. If I was more laid back it wouldn't bother me, I am aware that most of what we do it things he likes, and the way I do things around the house are often his way to keep the peace.

He really appears to want this marriage until he has a meltdown and destroys any progress we've made. It's at the point now that it's destroying me as a person now it's become too frequent and I feel he uses the marriage as his whipping boy, and I think this time (there was a blow up this weekend past) may have been the last time that broke us.

He told me he was leaving, that I was impossible to live with, that he wanted to live alone 'being a lonely old man would be better than living with me'...there was alcohol involved so this time was particularly hurtful. I was sober and recorded the conversation and listening back after the emotion subsided I recognised the same words and utter destruction he's been repeating for 2 years.

He's refusing to talk about separation again this week though, absolutely cannot live without me, he's booked us a romantic break in fact. And very apologetic, I asked if he could promise it would never happen again and he said he couldn't he's not in control of it. [/quote]
The reason he is planning so many things is because he doesn't want to be alone with you without a diversion in case he has to talk properly.

Qwertyguerty · 22/07/2021 09:28

You have tried couples therapy

Could individual therapy on top help too?

Maybe working on himself and in turn you work on yourself to pick away trauma from childhood could help you both understand your coping mechanisms that could be hurting one another, for example, these angry outbursts

QuentinBunbury · 22/07/2021 09:48

I asked if he could promise it would never happen again and he said he couldn't he's not in control of it.
Hmm
Does he do it in any other circumstances? E.g. if he's annoyed with someone at work? If not then he is in control of it. He just chooses to be "out of control" with you

SixesAndEights · 22/07/2021 10:48

I'm going against the grain. He's not an ordinarily abusive person otherwise he'd have been like that for 26 years.

He wants to leave but you "talk sense into him" and he ends up wracked with guilt so he pays off your credit card etc. He tries to be what you want, he might even want the old times, but he hates it, ends up hating you and is horrible to you. Quite probably in the hope that you get fed up and just let him go. This scenario has played out over and over and over.

A stronger man would just tell you it's over now and end it, but you seem a strong personality and it's sometimes hard for others to stand up, say what they mean and act on it in the face of what comes across as endless attempts from you to keep him no matter what.

Whatever he says or does when you've persuaded him to give it yet another go, like I said before his overall behaviour is of a person desperate to get out.

Keep flogging this very obviously long dead horse if you like, but it'll just get worse and worse.

timeisnotaline · 22/07/2021 10:54

I guess you could agree an escalating series of responses. If he does it, he moves out for 2 days (or you move out if you think that would be nice). If he does it again, 4 days. Again- a week. Again- 2 weeks. I prob wouldn’t bother after that, next move would be permanent.
You moving out is something you can control so think seriously about implementing that where you pick up a bag and go if he kicks off. It’s a much better approach to control what you can rather than have plans rely on him going along with it.

Tiger2018 · 22/07/2021 11:17

this used to be me - my ex would threaten to leave all the time - and because I was on the backfoot I would beg for him to stay. Then we would both feel guilty, try harder for weeks, then it would slip back. It was an awful cycle. He was controlling and I just kept trying harder and harder to make it work, while feeling numb and deeply unhappy.

Without going into the ins and outs - eventually I decided enough was enough. I am so much happier and feel a sense of peace now in my life, because I am not trapped in the cycle of hurt anymore.

For your sake - drop the rope. You have both tried so so hard to fix this and it doesn't matter who pulls the plug. What matters is the life you choose needs to be full of joy, peace and good times. You can't have those together as a couple anymore. The best thing now is to agree to end the cycle, go through the pain and hurt of it, and come out the other side.

layladomino · 22/07/2021 11:25

I can see so many reasons in your op that say you shouldn't be together, but one of them is enough reason along - your DD is witnessing this. Every time she sees this happen. Every time she is aware you are walking on egg shells, every time you compromse because he is selfish, every time you stick around while he abuses you, you are sending the message that this is OK / normal / you should stick around when someone treats you like that.

Please, even if only for your DCs sake, leave. They are seeing such a damaging dynamic playing out, that they risk repeating in their own lives.

Needapoodle · 22/07/2021 11:45

He's abusive. He's got the nice/nasty cycle down to a t and he's using it to keep you exactly where he wants you. What would happen if he said he was going to leave you said "yes, i agree that would be a good idea?"

unluckysunset · 22/07/2021 21:27

Just coming in here to say thank you to each and every response, I'm feeling particularly worn out...but reading, absorbing and contemplating every word received here.

There are going to have to be changes made , without doubt, I'm finally acknowledging this, and posting about my marriage for the first time on MN was my first step out of denial.

The 'nest of vipers' was definitely the best first place to turn. Sad

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