My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Relationships

I am so trapped

732 replies

Cornfieldrainbows · 15/07/2021 06:56

I want to leave DH but despite me being unhappy for 17 years my mum is pushing hard for me to stay because of the dc. And probably because she doesn’t want the shame of a divorced child.

She said I chose to have the dc, now it doesn’t matter if I’m happy or not. I’m really struggling. I wake in the morning feeling like I cannot breathe. My heart is racing. I’m not sleeping well, waking about 4am, and I’m not eating.
My mum keeps telling me how heartbroken the dc will be, that I will be poor, that I could lose them 50% of the time and they would hate that. That I will have no time nor money to do anything with them. That I will still be unhappy because my dc will be so unhappy.
Her answer? I wait another 13 years for dc2 to be 18. In 13 years I will be 50 and so worn down that I will have given up, if I make it that far which is debatable tbh.
We’d have to go and stay with my parents if I left DH so there’s no way of avoiding her. I hear what she’s saying and I suppose she is right. It is deeply selfish not to stay for the dc, who are happy, doing well at school and generally very settled.
I married DH partly because she wanted me to and I was young. Have I got to pay for that decision forever? It seems I have.
I cannot see a way forwards anymore. I just feel trapped. DH is slightly controlling and I am squashed, I am not who I was when we married. I was 20. He was 30. I feel I’ve changed so much and I feel this awful disconnect all the time. My mum says it’s because of covid but I felt it before that, although covid hasn’t helped.
DH isn’t a very involved father currently and never has been. All of the mental load falls on me and most of the practical stuff too. Currently he has them on his own one evening a week when I go out but only after I’ve got youngest dc to bed. Oldest dc is 11 and so not as demanding. He’s never willingly taken any of it on and he’s watched me struggle with things like the fact dc1 didn’t sleep through until he was 4 and he never once gave me a night off. It’s always ‘they settle better for you.’
He works hard, he has a good job, he does love me and the dc but I consistently feel like a thing on his checklist of what he needs for a ‘perfect’ life. I don’t feel like a person in my own right. He says the right things, for example I’ve taken a more demanding role at work with more hours and he did a lot of ‘ill support you whatever you want to do’ before I accepted. I started four months ago and in that four months he’s not practically helped me with anything. He’s not done a single school run, he’s not done anything in the house. I run my day around the children, working through lunch, rushing around, fetching them, coming back and doing another hour or so at work. Everything falls on me. I had a small crying breakdown about two months ago and he said he’d help me but nothing has changed although we now get take out or eat out once a week so I don’t have to cook.
I’m no longer attracted to him and so rarely have sex unless there’s no other option to. But it is rare. Two years and counting.
My mum says so what. If I left him I would be doing it all on my own anyway, plus the dc would be upset, plus I would be poor, she thinks it would all be worse and maybe she is right. I feel so trapped and it makes me feel like giving up. I just want to go to bed and never get back up again. I am already on antidepressants. I want to get back to a place where I feel like me again and I don’t know how to do that. I do know it hasn’t always been as awful as this with DH, I think since dc2 was born and I had PND it’s got much much worse. Mainly because he carried on totally as normal and I was barely functioning. Again he didn’t ever give me a lie in or get up at night when they were a baby. The PND hit me like a brick and I will admit since then I’ve never felt well, I’ve always felt a background level of anxiety. I can think of maybe two or three occasions since I had dc2 five years ago where I’ve not felt anxious. Unfortunately it arrived when she did, like an unwelcome additional child.

My mum thinks that’s why I don’t want to be with DH, that I’ve not recovered from the birth of dc2. I can’t imagine now ever being the person I was before I had her. I cannot imagine ever feeling optimistic or happy or even just less anxious. I get up in the mornings and wait to go back to bed. The best time of my life is when I am asleep. I just struggle through the days putting a brave face on it. I am incredibly lonely.

I love my dc so much. I don’t want to transfer this awful feeling to them. I worry that in breaking their family I will break them. I worry that my mum is right, that I am not capable of managing this. My mum never thinks I am capable of anything. When I went for this job she told me I wouldn’t cope, my children would suffer with me working more hours and I was putting my job in front of them. I spent four years as a sahp after dc2. I work my hours around them as best I can. I do everything I can to mitigate any cost to them - and yet DH just gets to do whatever he wants.

Sorry that was really long. I’m feeling desperate this morning.

OP posts:
Report
FetchezLaVache · 15/07/2021 08:33

@Cornfieldrainbows

I don’t trust my judgement anymore.

Love, in the kindest possible way, you're staying unhappily married, because your mum wants you to, to a man you only married because your mum wanted you to. It doesn't sound like you've ever been given the opportunity to exercise your own judgment.

Please don't waste any more of your precious life on trying to make your mum happy and consider therapy to unpick the unhealthy influence she has over your decisions.
Report
TheNameTheWebsiteForgot · 15/07/2021 08:34

Your mum sounds awful.

Can you ever imagine telling one of your children to stay in a relationship knowing how unhappy they are ?

With love and kindness OP, it sound like you went from a controlling mother into a controlling relationships and do not know how to make decisions. Can you get some counselling around your self esteem ?

Kids do cope. They are resilient little things.

Report
LizzieSiddal · 15/07/2021 08:35

The thing is I’ve got a two beautiful children, a husband who holds down a job and isn’t alcoholic or physically abusive.

This is 2021 not 1921, you are a person in your own right and are allowed to be happy, content and enjoy life. Your H does not sound like a very nice person, he doesn’t care that you are in your knees with too much in your plate, he says he will change and he hasn’t.

Please go and see a solicitor, when you know your entitlements and work out how you can survive, money wise, without your H, you will have more clarity around making decisions.

Report
Wrotten · 15/07/2021 08:37

My mum stayed with my dad to keep her lifestyle.

As a child, that's far more damaging.

Report
vampirethriller · 15/07/2021 08:42

Bear in mind that if you stay your children will grow up thinking men get to do what they want and women have to suck it up and be miserable. That's far worse than divorce, believe me, I've had some awful relationships because I didn't know any better and my mother was like yours.

Report
camouflagejacket · 15/07/2021 08:43

You've been given lots of great advice here from people who have been through this. I'm going through it too, but I waited. All I can say is I regret that. And I think my DC think this should have happened sooner.

Just one other thing. You are really underplaying what a poor state your marriage is in. You have no support, no intimacy, very little companionship. Just a nice house. Your DH has to take some responsibility for where you've got to. Mine was pissed off when I told him, but only about the fact that that he would have to move.

Don't go to your mothers. Speak to a solicitor (you will probably have to pay, I didn't find any of these free half hours consultations) and then tell your husband. Then you can figure out how you move forward.

Report
Adventure101 · 15/07/2021 08:43

Stop right there !

Stop the pity party now !

Take control !

Tell DH to clear up his own shit !

Stop moaning & start sorting out your life
Actions, not words
Make some positive changes

Report
moanymyrtle · 15/07/2021 08:44

You will still have two beautiful children. A co-parent with a job who will (hopefully) pay maintenance. You may have a smaller house or flat (but that will be less work). You will not be full of resentment. I felt guilt 'breaking up' my family, but that was misplaced. People were wonderful and supportive and the DC carried on excelling at school and while upset they have settled into new normal and are certainly not broken. If they are not broken now (because they have a loving mum) they will not be broken if you split as they will still have a loving supportive but hopefully happier Mum. Stop listening to your mum. Honestly no-one cares if another couple get divorced. Its a myth people disapprove - many probably are probably thinking that could be me or wish they had the balls to do the same. And stop doing all the childcare - start going out more by yourself - have a weekend away with friends or family and leave DC with him. Or go to a yoga / relaxation class or to cinema. He will have to step up and you will gain confidence that you can be by yourself. Lets face it you are doing 100% of the grunt work already. Start a financial escape fund. Research benefits / housing options etc. Get a plan. I love my single parent family it is happy and I feel free. Its a lot of work but not a mental drain on me the way it was before. Its also a much tidier house now I dont have a lazy partner to pick up after.

Report
Rosequartz7 · 15/07/2021 08:48

Hi OP
From what you're saying, it sounds like an underlying and fundamental issue with your mum. The issues you're dealing with now sound like they stem from growing up under her influence. She sounds highly toxic, controlling and invalidating.
I wonder if some therapy with a therapist that understands attachment theory and emotional abuse would be helpful in the first instance. You clearly want to leave your marriage but I hear that your mums voice is the prominent one in all of your thoughts about this?
What about your voice? What about your wants, needs, happiness, mental health? Its your precious life, not your mother's. Could you get some support with finding your own voice, strength, and separating that from your mother's? You can do whatever you want, it's your life, you don't have to keep living like this. You can find a way to leave your marriage and live the life you want.
Fuck what your mum thinks, deep down you know what's best for you. You can do this. Flowers

Report
Pinknoise · 15/07/2021 08:51

Yes it’s a risk to separate/divorce and you might not be happy about every aspect of your new life but tbh you are no more trapped than any other woman, 100,000 of whom divorce every year in the U.K.

When I divorced it didn’t enter my head that I would live with my parents with my two dc and it wasn’t offered either. I stayed in the house until we divorced and yes that did bring its own problems but you get legal advice and you weight it all up. I also had a messy divorce and an awkward ex who made everything as difficult as possible. We had to sell the house too.

It’s normal to question if you are doing the right thing and yes it is a lot of hassle when you have children. I would start with getting legal advice to consider your options.

Report
PearPickingPorky · 15/07/2021 08:51

I hope you're not going to do those dishes. Tell him you've had enough. You now consider yourself separated, and you'll continue living in the house until you can both come to a workable arrangement. You won't be picking up after him anymore and he'll need to start doing his share of solo-parenting.

Report
Pinknoise · 15/07/2021 08:52

If you do decide to separate, I wouldn’t consider staying with your mother as an option.

Report
Sakurami · 15/07/2021 08:52

Don't listen to your mum.

The splitting up but will be tough but so worth it.

Who you should listen to is your solicitor and also have a look at what state help you would receive.

When I split up with my ex my parents were supportive and understood why I was splitting up. If any of my kids were in your situation I would be advising them to split.

You made a and decision marrying him because of your mum's pressure, don't let her dictate any more. Equally, don't look back on regret. You've got your kids and you can't change anything. But now you have kids, you have your career and you're still young. Go out and enjoy it :)

Report
Muchasgracias · 15/07/2021 08:56

You need to stop talking about your relationship problems with your DM. I get that you might not have other support, but her input is more damaging.

Go to your GP for a chat. Consider meds for the depression or if you’re already taking meds, consider changing them or increasing the dose if you’re still feeling so low and anxious. This might help clear the mist and fog in your head give you some headspace for thinking things through.

Find a therapist you can visit in the evening you have free. Talking will really help you work things out. You don’t have to make a decision yet, but you do need an impartial listener and and experienced guide around all the emotions.

Report
FlowerArranger · 15/07/2021 09:16

You say you cannot see the wood fir the trees and you no longer trust your judgement. You need to take a step back and do the following, and do it purposefully and logically.

Stop talking to your mum about your marriage.

Start counseling. This has to be an absolute priority, even if you think you cannot afford it. Look at it as an investment in your future.

Gather all your financial paperwork, including mortgage and pensions, and see a family solicitor. He cannot simply say he’ll keep the house - it doesn’t work that way.

Look into a formal separation agreement, to give you breathing room and potentially allow to claim universal credit while still living under the same roof. Your solicitor will advise.

Stop doing everything and become more assertive. As in “you’ll have to take the kids in the morning because I have a meeting at 8.30 am” or “I have to finish a report which is due at noon”. If he won’t do the dishes, use paper plates from Poundland. Stop cooking for him or doing his laundry.

Treat it as Project Future - Mine and My Children’s.
Stay focused and keep your eye on the prize. Flowers

Report
Shuffleuplove · 15/07/2021 09:18

Your mum is a bitch.

Report
Stillfunny · 15/07/2021 09:30

@Cornfieldrainbows

The thing is I’ve got a two beautiful children, a husband who holds down a job and isn’t alcoholic or physically abusive. A reasonable house.
Would I be crazy to throw it away? It should be enough.

Me too OP. Nice house , nice life , not physically abusive and never raised his voice .
Not enough .
Report
Jurassicparkinajug · 15/07/2021 09:37

Please dont listen to your mum, you deserve happiness too. She is thinking of herself only.

Contact a solicitor. It will be tough going through a divorce but I suspect you will never regret your decision to leave.

Also I think you need counselling and to go back to your doctors. It sounds like you are still depressed. I'm not sure leaving will be the sole answer to this. But please use the help that is there. Good luck

Report
Trumpkin · 15/07/2021 09:39

"My mum stayed with my dad to keep her lifestyle.
As a child, that's far more damaging."

^^This. Your children will be happier seeing you happy. This is no life. "Staying for the children" is an oxymoron. Growing up with unhappy parents in one house is much more damaging than growing up with happy, separated parents.

I also think you will have more time, not less, because your DH will have the children and then you can catch up on housework and have some time to yourself.

Report
Movingonupupup · 15/07/2021 09:40

@PersonaNonGarter

Your mum is wrong and damaging.

Stop listening to her and start confiding in people who have better perspective.

Take better care of yourself than the people around you do. They don’t deserve you. Flowers

Exactly.

Get counselling on your own. The reason you are with your DH sounds due to your mother and her projecting.

Leaving DH might mean putting boundaries in place with your mother.

If my daughter said she wanted to leave her DH for the reasons given -I'd pay for counselling and put her and the kids up without question.
Report
Iflyaway · 15/07/2021 09:46

I married DH partly because she wanted me to

My goodness, she really has you dancing to her tune.

"shame of having a divorced child"?! Tell her it's the 21st century and millions of people are divorced (I am). there is absolutely no shame in it.

I really hope you find your backbone to stand up to your mother.
You are the driver of your own life!

Oh, and leave the asshole husband. Life will become so good once you do.

Report
pointythings · 15/07/2021 10:03

OP, the key thing as many have said is to stop listening to your mum. She has a vested interest in you staying miserable - it means she maintains her control of you, it means she doesn't have to accept that you are independent and have agency, it means she doesn't have to deal with difficult feelings. Sod that - she doesn't own you. Until you recognise that your mum's view of the situation is highly toxic, you will not break free. My mum was also one of the 'save the marriage' brigade - though my late husband was an alcoholic and she knew this.

You work in mental health, so use that. Access your local wellbeing service to talk through your feelings with the aim of changing the way you relate to your mum and her opinions. When you find that strength, prepare to leave. Life without a useless man is infinitely better.

Report

Don’t want to miss threads like this?

Weekly

Sign up to our weekly round up and get all the best threads sent straight to your inbox!

Log in to update your newsletter preferences.

You've subscribed!

billy1966 · 15/07/2021 10:06

OP,

You are the definition of an abused women.

Your mother is absolutely TOXIC.
Stop telling her ANYTHING.

Please contact Woman's Aid for support.
You need legal advice.

Can work help?

Your husband is a complete pig.

You are utterly controlled by him.

It's not an accident that he went after a young woman, 10 years younger.

You have NO choice, you have to leave him.

It's quite clear your MH problems stem from living this horror of a life.

He doesn't love you.
You tick a box and skivvy for him.

You sound afraid of him.

Woman's Aid will point you in the right direction.

I know you want to protect your children but that does not include offering up your MH so they don't share a bedroom.

You work which is great.

What age are your children?
What age are you?

Flowers

Report
Fullofglee · 15/07/2021 10:06

Op can you start putting some money safe away to move out for a fresh start? You only get one life. Your dc will be fine. I take your dm is old fashioned? Have you got any siblings or friends to talk to?

Report
C152 · 15/07/2021 10:10

Children are a lot more resilient than most adults give them credit for. They will cope if you leave, just as you will.

It sounds like both your mother and husband are controlling and perhaps it may be helpful to speak to someone completely independent, like Women's Aid (www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/), to get an idea of what your choices are. I know it feels like you have no real choices or options now, but you do. Are there any friends you could temporarily stay with? If not, although it will be hard, save for a deposit on a flat and, if it's no available immediately, just wait it out until you can move in. Don't say anything to your mother or husband until you've actually moved into your new place. I can imagine how worn down you must be at this point, and this probably seems like yet another massive load that you just can't carry right now. You're much stronger than you think, and you'll be amazed at how much easier life will be on your own, without a controlling man child to manage as well as actual children. Good luck. x

Report
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.