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Is this abusive behaviour, or narcissism?

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StartingAgain33 · 10/07/2021 09:06

  • on our first date, we were kissing passionately for ages. I made it clear I didn't want him touching my knickers under my dress. He kept trying and right at the end as we went to walk to the train station he had a little touch as I was walking away
  • he started getting sexual a bit faster than I had expected. I did end up responding but felt rushed
  • he would make big statements like he wanted to be with me for the rest of his life, he wanted to grow old with me and buy a house with me, he wouldn't mind if I got pregnant accidentally in the first three months (whilst drunk he suggested we stop using contraception)
  • after 4 months he suggested we move in together, I said I felt it was a little soon especially as we had been having a bit of a stressful time (he found me being upset about my sick kittens very distressing and almost had a mini breakdown about it saying he was worried he would lose me / we were drifting apart) and also I was about to buy my own place. Then the next week he said we 'needed to stop talking about the future', that we'd been going too fast, that he doesn't know if he can keep up with my timeline, that he feels pressured etc. I pointed out that he had led those conversations, not me, and he said that wasn't true and it was just as much me starting them (I really don't think it was)
  • I caught him messaging women flame emojis and sleazy comments / inane chat (by accident). It had been a few months before and had since stopped but I got very upset and angry and he turned it back one me, saying I was snooping (I really wasnt) and I was paranoid etc and it was harmless, he was just 'passing on compliments'. Also when I confronted him about it straight after seeing and said I wanted to see what he had been saying he went and deleted them in the toilet buy tried to hide he was doing that
  • frequent mood swings, not necessarily directed at me but there was always a drama. Towards the end he went from long angry texts to sending me a voice note where he sounded fine and asking me to go to his friends bday all in the space of an hour which I found v confusing
  • he was crap at emotional validation, for instance forgetting he was going to meet me after my uncles funeral and saying could we rearrange as he had forgotten he was going to see his friends. He then did feel very sorry when I got upset but it was like he had no empathy (he did really try to have it tho)
  • he'd get very upset when I was emotional and not know what to do. He did try but towards rhe end of our relationship he told me he just wanted to leave me alone if I was crying and I should be more adult
  • he once got really angry with me saying 'I made him feel ashamed' because I pointed out that something he did could be seen as racist. He said he felt he couldn't share any of his past with me because of this one comment as I would twist it. He would go on about things like that for hours and not let me get a word in
  • our final straw was when I said I was sad about something. It was probs me being sensitive and unreasonable but he said I made him feel like shit, and he kept sending long angry texts to me even tho I was saying sorry ans trying to calm him down. This basically carried on on and off for two weeks, with the smallest comment from me ('let me know when you're around to talk in person') was interpreted in tbe worst way possible ('you don't trust me and are trying to control me')
  • he would often never let me get a word in in arguments, especially towards the end
  • he was preoccupied with the idea I was controlling him. I asked him to turn his phone notifications off as they went off all the time including in bed and he thought that I was trying to change who he was. He kept bringing that up as an example even months later. I said if it mattered that much then fine, just leave them, but he did change them but was angry about it
  • he once joked he'd have sex with me anyway when I wasn't up for it and I said that would be rape (in a jokey way). He then got really upset I would ever accuse him of rape and he woke up in the middle of the night and was just sitting in the living room in the dark. I asked him what was wrong and he said I was trying to control him and he couldn't believe what I'd said, that I didn't trust him, that he couldn't do anything right
  • he hadn't had a relationship over a decade and it sounds like they went v fast. Like moved in straightaway etc. He said they had hurt him so much he hasn't wanted a relationship, that they had all cheated on him and said nasty things like hes 'weird' (he was a bit weird), 'only ever spoke about work' (true) and 'didn't listen to their body' (true). He also called 2 out of 3 'princesses'
  • he seemed to have loads of shame underneath the surface. Even a comment that had nothing to do with him seemed to be taken personally
  • he constantly talked about our future together, but also had real problems imagining the next step and would bring it up a lot (ie I don't know if I can move to your part of London etx) which made me feel like I never knew where I stood
  • he said I was his 'saviour' and he didn't know what he would do without me. I do think he was a very lonely man. I have a hunch that a lot of friends had ditched him over the years.
  • he said we needed to break up because of my 'emotional validation' needs and he can't give me that, and broke up with me in a 16 minute voice note where he sounded cold and uncaring saying we didn't need to talk

I still have lots of sympathy for him and miss him. He did really try and meet me emotionally, but seemed incapable of doing so. I am wondering whether it was just a character mismatch or whether objectively this looks like abuse. I know I feel confused ans awful about myself for things falling apart and like it's my fault.

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StartingAgain33 · 10/07/2021 22:46

I think I should be trying to find a way to tune into my own instincts and acting on them. Half of the time I can't even tell what I feel hence needing external validation that things are not OK with guys for instance. I blame myself for having feelings. I think new rule is - no blame, just explore and importantly, even if I'm not sure 100% what the outcome will be, ACT on my feelings. Ie draw a line, leave the relationship etc. Keep my own needs in mind instead of someone else's.

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TheFoundations · 10/07/2021 22:57

YES YES YES. Your feelings make the rules.

Half of the time I can't even tell what I feel

I have to query this. I mean, you don't have to be able to give it a name or explain what the feeling is, but looking at your OP, you've got a pretty healthy filter for things that make you feel 'ugh'. Even him being moody without it being directed at you; you know that doesn't make you feel good, right?

Somebody who couldn't identify what made them feel good and what made them feel bad wouldn't have a big fat list of things that made them feel bad, would they?

StartingAgain33 · 11/07/2021 08:27

Haha, that's true @thefoundations. It's weird tho, if youd asked me at the time for many of these things I wouldn't have registered they felt bad or I would have had an innocent explanation. I didnt even feel icky for all of them as I thought they were down to his issues which were innocent and not a threat to me etc... but I do have an icky feeling when I look back that I think was buried deep inside and would come back in flashes... which was the thing that eventually drove me to have insecure episodes (which I then got blamed for), because I just felt something wasn't quite right. I think I should have a rule that when I feel like writing long posts on forums (I wrote about 4!!) and/or constant googling to find out why someone is the way they are I should end things. It is clearly causing me far too much anxiety (but then I worry I'll never meet anyone that won't trigger anxiety!!)

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StartingAgain33 · 11/07/2021 20:33

I was just talking to my friends husband who said he thought ex seemed weird. I asked if he thought there was something dark / menacing about him (as I had a hunch I kept ignoring) and he said that was the perfect description. He asked how secure my new house was (I've just moved and ex knows my address). I am getting a bit worried he's going to do something/ turn up. The way he was at the end, idealising and then devaluing me in the same hour quite dramatically, was honestly very very odd and actually quite scary. Do you think I might be in any danger @thefoundations ? I have taken him off block on my phone so I can see if he tries to get in touch as I imagine that would be a first step before turning up and at least then I have a warning if things escalate. Feeling quite chilled. He made me feel physically sick by the end.

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AlternativePerspective · 11/07/2021 20:41

The only good thing he did was to break up with you. I say that because it doesn’t sound as if you would have broken up with him.

Please don’t take him back if he comes crawling.

StartingAgain33 · 11/07/2021 20:58

@alternativeperspective I was just about to break up with him, and had made it very obvious I think. So I think he was 'getting in there first'. I'm actually really glad he did as he might be happier with that than the other way round so hopefully he won't get in touch again.

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TheFoundations · 11/07/2021 21:14

I think I should have a rule that when I feel like writing long posts on forums (I wrote about 4!!) and/or constant googling to find out why someone is the way they are I should end things. It is clearly causing me far too much anxiety (but then I worry I'll never meet anyone that won't trigger anxiety

Perfect. That's boundaries, done. You have to set your life up now so that you'll be fine if you never meet anyone. A healthy relationship can only come from a position of wanting it, rather than needing it, anyway.

If you think you might be at risk, do everything you can to mitigate it.

StartingAgain33 · 12/07/2021 00:06

@category12 actually I think hes more of a Victim type!

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StartingAgain33 · 12/07/2021 00:09

@thefoundations I genuinely don't want a relationship now. I'm sure it will change, but I'm going to try to give myself six months off dating apps at least to get myself back. And more if I don't feel happy being single as I don't want to come from a desperate place. I'm really looking forward to creating a nice life for myself in my new house and have already made great strides in the past two weeks since not seeing him, lots of energy has been freed up as we were arguing a lot (or rather he was talking at me a lot)

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