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Money and work

27 replies

Betterfly · 08/07/2021 10:31

Me and DH have been married for 13 years and have 2 DC. I just need to let off some steam.

We have a decent income (more would always be nice!) but recently moved house and took on a larger mortgage to have more space. The house is great and in many ways it has made us happier. However, it is more expensive to run and money is tighter - we are no means on the breadline, we just can't save as much. Money has never been an issue between us before. We both work (me PT since having DC) but DH earns about three times as much as me and he works long hours (whether he needs to work such hours is up for debate).

The house has very little built in storage (pretty much all our storage was built in at the last house) - it has a couple of big storage areas but we need things like a bike storage shed for DC's bikes and scooters and somewhere to put shoes and coats in the hall. At the moment the hall is a mess with bikes and shoes and bags everywhere - you literally trip over them to get into the house.

We set aside some money to buy things like this and to do a few odd jobs. DH was happy to spend £750 on a new desk and chair for his office but whenever I want to buy something he procrastinates. I am not even talking about hugely expensive things - I saw a bike shed on a local selling site for a fraction of the cost of new but he dithered for two weeks and then it was gone, he refused to get an IKEA shoe cabinet because it is "cheap" and I sent him a link to another cabinet on eBay which needs to be sanded and painted (I can do this) but he hasn't replied - so that will no doubt be gone by the time he responds.
Everything I buy he quibbles over, anything he buys it is fine to spend the money on.

We have a cleaner and he has unilaterally upped her hours (because of the bigger house but also because he wants her to do his ironing which she stopped doing when we moved because she didn't have time) so we are now spending £60 a week on her - but in the next breath he is refusing to allow me to use our usual holiday club for the DC as they are only doing full weeks (I work 4 days a week) and so the extra day is a "waste".

I feel like I am the only one making compromises and I also feel he has taken on the role of "boss" and he has the final say on expenditure. It's not like I spend large sums without his agreement, I never do, and he did run the desk and chair by me before ordering it. I just feel he now vetoes things that he wouldn't have done before.

We each have access to all of our money. Everything goes in the same account. We also have our own spending money but, thinking about it, mine is for me and the DC as I am the one that ends up buying clothes and shoes and haircuts etc for them. I never have any of my money left at the end of the month - DH sees this as me "wasting" it as he always has plenty - which is not surprising as he barely leaves the house and he uses my Amazon account to order things, which of course is linked to my account. I don't want to be petty by asking him for the money back but the odd book here, random electrical wire, item for his hobby there all adds up.

I am currently looking for a new job and have been working on an application for one that looks ideal, except it is full time. At the moment I work 4 short days and do all the dropping and collecting of DC.
DH has said that the pay isn't good enough because it won't compensate for the additional childcare costs. This led to an argument because I said that this is a shared expense as it also allows him to work too. He works from home (likely to remain so, at least 3 days a week) but not once has he taken or collected the DC. I have a compulsory meeting at work next week (likely to announce redundancies) which means I will have to stay later than usual (until 5pm, after school club finishes at 5.30, I will struggle to get there in time) and so I asked that he collect the DC (school is 5 mins from home). He is umming and ahhing , telling me that it is out of order for them to arrange a meeting during my non working time, that I should refuse to go etc. All the while he would think nothing of arranging a meeting for 6/7pm - well after his official finish time of 5pm. But that is different.

Whenever I try to speak to him about this and how I feel he gets angry and says that if I want him to do more round the house and with the DC during the week the only option is for him to give up work completely (he would never ask for PT work, he says that is career suicide, like I don't know it) and I can be the breadwinner which is not possible as my career was destroyed by maternity leaves and working PT. It will take me years to get up to his earning level.

I am worried that if I am made redundant without a job lined up it will make things worse - he will no doubt suggest we get rid of the cleaner and I do it all, that we will not need holiday club or after school club etc and we will lose our places which will make it harder to find work (I have seen it happen to friends) and I will be trapped at home (which is what I think he wants - since having DC it has become apparent that his liberal views are just words, he actually would like me to be like his mother, a traditional housewife).

I am not sure how I ended up in this position. I used to be independent but now I have to ask DH to be able to stay an extra half an hour at work and if it is ok to spend £150 on a cupboard.

Aargh.

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 08/07/2021 10:41

Use the joint account and buy the things you need from it, also the things the dc need which are a joint cost not just your responsibility

It sounds like your dh needs to hugely adjust his attitude here but if he can’t then do you want to stay married?

rookiemere · 08/07/2021 10:46

He sounds awful, but you also sound very accepting of it all. What would have happened if you'd gone ahead and bought the shoe rack etc ?
Regarding your Amazon account could you set up the joint account card as the default one ?

Golden2021 · 08/07/2021 10:50

Just buy what you need. He's not your dad. It's a partnership.

RandomMess · 08/07/2021 10:54

Change the Amazon account to his details today.

Honestly I would book marriage counselling to get it sorted. The power dynamics are all wrong and you know it.

Book the holiday club and pay for it from the joint account tell him to sell his desk and chair if you can't afford holiday club to enable you both to work.

AngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

Stop asking his permission to buy stuff, buy it and deal with his complaints with "Whi made you the boss"

DinosaurDiana · 08/07/2021 10:57

He’s keeping you under the thumb isn’t he !
It’s joint money, not his.
And many people work full time and don’t have a cleaner/ironer.

Topseyt · 08/07/2021 11:02

Don't be so accommodating of him.

Did you ask him whether or not he would collect the children while you went to your meeting? Or did you TELL him that on this occasion he MUST do it as you won't be available and they are his children too?

My approach would have been the latter, and yes, I did occasionally (not often thankfully) have to remind my DH that he was the other parent.

EL8888 · 08/07/2021 11:08

Another vote to stop asking for his approval. Especially if he’s more than happy to spend money on himself, rather than the family. I would be tempted to go back full time, he’s got too comfortable with the current set up l think. He needs to start seeing the realities of it all and not expecting you to pick up the majority of things

mindutopia · 08/07/2021 11:15

Why don’t you link your Amazon account to the joint account and only switch back to your personal account for your own personal purchases? Or just change your password!

Also all purchases for dc (clothes, shoes, days out, etc) should be coming from your joint account, because they are your joint children.

Unless it’s a huge buy (car, house), I’m not sure I’ve ever asked Dh for permission to use our joint account to buy it. Sometimes I ask what he thinks, but if he didn’t respond, I’d buy it anyway. Same with holiday club, I’d just sign them up, Dh had no idea I’d signed them up for holiday club this year or what it cost. He doesn’t want to take off for 6 weeks anymore than I do! So perfectly happy with whatever I decide. Is your Dh saying he’s taking off work to be home with them then over the summer while you work? I’d assume not. Hmm

layladomino · 08/07/2021 11:32

There are some changes you can make easily and immediately:

  1. Stop him using your Amazon account. If it helps, delete your saved card details and just add it in each time you order something, so he has to do the same and use his own card.
  1. Anything you buy for the children comes from the joint account. Why would you (or he) think of doing it any other way?
  1. In all cases, ensure that money is fairly divided and spent. He doesn't get to dictate how you spend your own money for example. And all house / family expenses come from the joint. He can't use the joint account for his own hobbies / clothes etc.
  1. Stop treating him as the 'boss' when it comes to finances. He isn't. Consult him in the same way as he consults you. If he regualrly vetoes your ideas, then do the same to him. If he ignores you and goes ahead anyway, then do the same to him. At the moment you reinforce his idea that he's the 'boss' every time you treat him like the boss. So treat him exactly as he treats you. If he complains, point out that you're doing that and why would he have a problem with you being equals?

Regarding your jobs and working hours, he clearly thinks that he should work to a different set of rules to you, and that you should drop everything to make his life easier. This is a bigger problem and probably represents the fact that he sees you as inferior and there to make his life easier.

If you don't feel like an equal partner in a mutually loving and supportive relationship, with someone who respects and values you, then perhaps some counselling would help you understand why you have put up with that?

Howcanthisbe123 · 08/07/2021 11:37

I didn’t read past the first few sentences.

He isn’t your dad, your not a child, you don’t need to run every little detail past him. If you need a shoe cabinet go and buy one!

Horsemad · 08/07/2021 11:41

Why are you letting him walk all over you?! 😡

Betterfly · 08/07/2021 14:21

Thanks everyone.

I went to buy the cupboard but it has been sold. FFS.

I sent in my application for the new job - fingers crossed!

Ugh, you are right though. I enable this shit. It wasn't deliberate, it has kind of crept up on me. Not sure how to back pedal now though.

He does see me as inferior, doesn't he?

OP posts:
DinosaurDiana · 08/07/2021 15:23

Yep.

Oblomov21 · 08/07/2021 15:37

Yep.
Stand up for yourself and do some of the things suggested above.

VimFuego101 · 08/07/2021 16:10

How much would he have to pay in child support if you separated? (I would calculate it using an EOW arrangement since he clearly can't have the kids for any weekdays if he can't handle one school pickup). That might focus his mind.

cindarellasbelly · 08/07/2021 16:16

Honestly OP EVERYTHING for the kids out of the joint account. Buy the house stuff. If he queries it, start querying his desk etc. But, you're right, this is really worrying. DH earns increasingly more than me, he has never once queried anything - we both tend to run things by each other, he is naturally more 'spendy' than me in the sense that if we need it, he thinks we should buy it, but he had 5 quid haircuts, WFH so basically exists in ancient t shirts so in reality spends less money than me day to day and its never been an issue. He also does 50% of pick ups/drop offs and general parenting.

It might be worth scheduling a sit down with him and stressing how unhappy you are. Get yourself back on the career ladder, point out the decisions you both made that ended up here. And do look into how you could survive financially if you split.

Treacletoots · 08/07/2021 16:21

How do you back pedal this? By strapping on a pair of lady balls and not asking his permission any more. If you see something you want to buy, buy it. Don't even stop to think about asking him.

Honestly my DH and I never ask each others permission before we buy stuff. Sure we discuss slightly more expensive purchases i.e. more than a few hundred but at the end of the day he's not your boss.

DinosaurDiana · 08/07/2021 16:24

He is your partner, not your boss 💐

Betterfly · 08/07/2021 16:51

Thanks all. I feel so angry.

It's like the shutters have fallen from my eyes and I can see clearly for the first time in ages.

I am starting the push back right now. I have messaged him to say I am going to the meeting next week (it has been impressed on us that it is compulsory) and he will just have to sort childcare for what, half an hour? He does ZERO childcare Monday - Friday, I don't think he understands what a privilege this is.

I am also ramping up looking for a new job, one of my contacts sent me something else today, a bit left field but interesting. Definitely full time and will require DH to be a father and not just at the weekend.

Re maintenance. He would be the type to give up work and/ or demand 50/50 contact so he wouldn't have to give me a penny.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 08/07/2021 16:56
Sad

It doesn't sound great at all

HollowTalk · 08/07/2021 17:13

So going part time would be career suicide but stopping work altogether just to prove a point wouldn't be?

He wouldn't give up work, OP. He wouldn't want to have 50:50. He does exactly what he wants now. If he had the children for 50% of the week, what would he live on? He's in a good job now and wouldn't get benefits if he left of his own accord, would he? Besides, he would struggle to get the sort of woman he wanted if he had no money at all.

DinosaurDiana · 08/07/2021 17:14

Think about having your wage paid into your personal account, then DD your share of bills etc.

RandomMess · 08/07/2021 17:17

He's have to hire more than a cleaner that irons to do the rest of the "wifework" if you divorced and he had them 50%

youvegottenminuteslynn · 08/07/2021 19:17

He sounds absolutely horrible. Amazing how many men turn into raging misogynists when they realise they are in a position to use misogyny to their perceived advantage eg forcing their partner to be default parent, positioning their Very Big and Important Job as absolute priority 24/7 etc.

Rebelwithverysharpclaws · 09/07/2021 13:09

What a mean arsehole he is - showing no respect or support to his partner. You need to teach him how to treat you and stand up for yourself. Who made him fucking king?

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