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Has he been stringing me along?

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Kazza2475 · 07/07/2021 09:06

Hi

Thanks for taking the time to read my message.

Back in March this year I was contacted by an ex boyfriend I dated briefly when I was working in Spain in my mid 20s. His message came completely out of the blue because, although we stayed relatively friendly and had met up when we both returned to the UK, we'd ceased contact after ending up in bed together one drunken evening, which was about 17 years ago. It was a long time ago but I think he basically disappeared and went off grid after that evening. I'm in my mid 40s now so a lot has happened since!

I guess I pushed that out of my mind and I was genuinely pleased and touched to hear from him. We messaged each other almost every day, catching up on what each of us had been up to for the last 17 or so years, but skirted round relationships and kids, until I finally asked him after almost a month of messages, and found out that like me he was single. We bonded over poor dating experiences and as time went by I fiunf myself really looking forward to his messages. We never really flirted but our messages were familiar, long and frequent.

When things started to open up in May I mentioned that I would be visiting family and friends in London (I'm in Cambs but I'm originally from the place that he lives now in London) and asked if he would like to meet up, which we did. I was instantly attracted to him when we met up and our conversation flowed really nicely. We were only able to meet for a few hours as was meeting up with friends and he seemed gutted that I couldn't stay out longer. I mentioned that I was going to be in London the following weekend so could meet then if he was available.

So we met the following Saturday for drinks and as the had pub closed early we went back to his place for another drink. We were sat chatting on the sofa when he leaned in to kiss me me. I backed away asking if it was a good idea, I didnt want random sex - not that he was a random but pre pandemic had had a few ONS which left me feeling empty.

Obviously I'd wanted to kiss and sleep with him but I had a real struggle during the pandemic and crisis beforehand where I was done with online dating as my experiences had been awful and filled with rejection but I did not voice this to him although had tried to intimate to him that I didnt want one off sex and wanted something more meaningful.

Anyway, the inevitable happened and we ended up sleeping together. The next day we flitted around the subject. I asked what was his motivation for getting in touch. I said as are messaging had progressed I'd felt a level of attraction and he said the same, hadn't set out for it to happen but that the attraction was still there. I asked if he wanted to continue seeing each other and he said he didn't know what he wanted and that me being so far away was an issue for him but wanted to see me again. I said I didn't know what I wanted either but enjoyed spending time with him and wanted to see what happened. I said that the distance wasn't an issue for me as I'm frequently in London seeing friends and family and because I WFH I can pretty much work anywhere. He had to see family in the afternoon so we said our goodbyes but was pleased to see he'd messaged me on my way home.

We sent each other a few emails that week but the tone of his messages seemed different, a lot shorter and longer gaps in between each message. A week passed and I said that I was going to be in London for the weekend and wanted to know if he was free. He said he wasn't as had a leaving do at work and seeing a friend on the Saturday. I didn't push it but started to feel quite anxious. Every time I suggested meeting up he said he was busy but felt reassured a little when he said stuff like, can you do mid-week etc. When i said i could, he turned round and said he could no longer do that as he had to get up stupidly early. I persevered but obviously starting to get confused and anxious at this point. When I had plans to go to London he was always busy, the last time his excuse being that he was spending the weekend at his parents as he felt he needed to spend more time with them after a year of covid. I said that was really nice and I suggested we could meet on the Fri if that worked for him, and said, 'assuming you do want to meet up?' HE replied straightaway and apologised for being unavailable, but said that he wanted to go after work on the Friday to maximise his time there, but could see if he could try to get away early on the Sunday and visit me in Cambs. I explained I would be in London so that weekend as out on the Saturday night and didn't want him to change his plans but if he was able to get away I could meet him there rather than him travel from Kent to London to Cambs and then back to London all in the same day! He was insistent that he would try to come to me to apologise for being so crap and unavailable and didn't want me hanging around in London on the Sunday when it was highly likely that he'd have to cancel. Weird eh? I said it was no trouble as would be staying at my dad's and catching up with him and anyway, he'd have an idea or not if he was able to get away in the morning so all good. I found this exchange really confusing; he was basically telling me that he would cancel! So on the Saturday evening he basically sent me a very short message saying that he was sorry but Sunday wouldn't be possible now. I began to wonder I'd he was on a date and because things were going well knew or at least hoped, that he would be otherwise occupied on the Sunday morning! I dont know, it's plausible isn't it?! I was expecting it but was so upset to receive and seemed so cold and not like the long messages we'd sent each other for month's before. Another reason for me to think he was seeing someone else - it was though he'd quickly sent it whilst in the loo or something! I left it a few days before replying - at one stage I told myself not to reply and to leave it. He was really screwing with my head and I didn't know what was going on. I obviously feel he's been stringing me along but then I end up questioning that as he comes up with other suggestions to meet to which he then takes off the table - got to get up early; seeing parents again etc. Is it just a big game to him?

Because I'm pathetic I message him and say that I'm away the weekend with friends but will be travelling from London on the friday morning and as I was driving down on the Thursday that would be an opportunity to meet? I couldn't have a late one but it would be nice to have a quick drink? He replied and said he had to get up really early on the Friday but also said that he's not feeling sociable and that lots of things had combined to make him a bit depressed, job is crap, family problems etc and apologised if it's making him seem offish. I offered my support and said that I was always around to lend an ear but voiced my concerns that I might be stressing him out by asking him if he wants to meet up all the time, going on to say that I was really pleased we'd reconnected and that I valued him as a friend (which I do - if it didnt work out for us romantically I would still want him in my life) and that I'd enjoyed chatting and seeing him these last few months. I didn't hear back from him until the Sunday evening when I was on my way back from break. He thanked me for my support and said that he was feeling burnt out but said I wasn't contributing to his stress but was worried that I was getting pissed off with him for always being unavailable. He also said that he was really pleased we'd reconnected and valued my friendship and didn't want to f* things up come what may. He also asked if I'd had a nice time away which was nice as hadn't really acknowledged it or shown any interest in previous messages. I replied the following day again offering support, saying I didn't know exactly how he was feeling but could relate a little and said that I was sad he has all these worries. Told him about my weekend away and just made general chit chat. That was over 10 days ago now and he hasn't replied so wondering if he ever will.

I don't doubt that he has all these worries going on. Normal worries aside it's been a particularly anxiety inducing time this past 15 months or so and I have bucket loads of empathy for anyone going through depression. But have I been pursuing someone who ultimately doesn't want to see me again? Is it a case of 'he's just not that into you' and he's making excuses each time do as not to hurt my feelings. I would much prefer honesty as I would know where I stand because at the moment my head is all over the place, thoughts in my head oscillating between confusion, anger, sadness and worry (for him). What should I do? Give it up as a case of another bad experience? Or wait a few weeks and check in with him to see how he's feeling? Because I'm feeling a multitude of different emotions I'm also feeling angry. Why is he treating me like this? If he doesn't want to see me again why doesn't he just be open and honest? I guess whsts hurt me more I'd that we have history, he's not just some guy from tinder, so would expect him to communicate with me rather than ignore me and mess with my head!

Thanks for reading my super long post and hope it's not been too confusing to read!

OP posts:
Kazza2475 · 07/07/2021 15:22

@premium77 yes, that does sound hard! I agree though, I must come across as desperate in my account.

I think it's all about context though. In normal circumstances I would take the hint and move on but I've never had someone suggest alternatives like that, only to later to retract them, so that threw me a bit. He is quite a scatty person so initially thought it was him being disorganised. It was also a case of me genuinely being in London - he basically lives down the road from one of my friends, so was seeing if he was available whilst I was down there.

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pinkflask · 07/07/2021 15:40

When we initially met up he said that he'd basically never grown up so that should've been a massive red flag for me!

What's that saying - when someone tells you who they are, LISTEN!

AryaStarkWolf · 07/07/2021 15:45

I mean he's not even really stringing you a long OP by the sounds of it, he's taking the cowards way out of trying to tell you he isn't interested without actually coming out and saying "I'm not interested" Sorry though, you definitely need to leave this guy where he should have stayed, in the past

anunexaminedlife · 07/07/2021 15:54

You really, really need to work on your boundaries and self-respect. I don't know how to articulate myself to you without being blunt about it, because I really do believe that you need to hear it and understand it. I know you're saying that you don't think you have come across as 'desperate' because he has thrown you a few crumbs here and there, but it's all completely transparent. You're humiliating yourself, all for a man you hardly know, who you've met twice (a fleeting friendship 17 years ago means very little in this situation). Please do not message him again. Even to tell him he's been a shit. He knows and doesn't care. And don't act like this with other prospects in the future, don't chase men like this. They're just men.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 07/07/2021 16:07

He's just fucking with your head. Block and move on and find someone who is worthy of you Flowers

TheFoundations · 07/07/2021 16:11

I think it's all about context though

It's not. If someone makes you feel crap, in any context, distance yourself as much as you can from them. You're insisting on making this complicated because you want to believe that he's actually a good bloke who's going to treat you well. That's not going to happen because he's consistently treating you poorly. He's demonstrating who he is to you over and over, and some part of you is insisting that actually, he's something else.

Why is that happening?

66babe · 07/07/2021 17:48

Oh dear ... don't even bother trying to work this out in your head any more
He was a shit 17 years ago
He's still a shit now

You told him you'd had horrible OLD meaningless sex experiences and didn't want to be in that position
He slept with you ... and then was gone

Forget him and work on yourself for a while
You are worth SO much more than that

ThatOtherPoster · 07/07/2021 18:24

I've never had someone suggest alternatives like that, only to later to retract them

I had someone like that when I was in my 20s and yes, it does your head in because they SOUND so keen, until you jot it all down in a diary and realise you haven’t actually seen them for 6 months… 😆

I only learned about dating by reading The Rules books. They get slated on MN but they’re amazing because it’s so lack and white that you can’t let your imagination/optimism/hopeful heart fudge it. This wouldn’t have happened in a Rules relationship because:

You’d never have suggested meeting him;
You’d have had to let him travel to you;
You wouldn’t have 🍆 him on the first “date”;
You wouldn’t have initiated texts.

Basically men like this fall through the “Rules colander” really quickly. Only the genuinely interested men get caught.

It’s worth reading.

Skybluepinkgiraffe · 07/07/2021 18:35

Oh I really feel for you! I was in a similar situation. When he was nice he was so nice, but so often was busy, unavailable, under pressure and so on and on!
It took me far to long to stop trying to contact him, and I fell off the wagon many times.
Out of the blue he'd get in touch after 4 weeks, or 4 months, and once nearly a year.
I'm an addict regarding him. Eventually, I blocked him for my own sanity. These people only get away with it because they are utterly charming, and boy, does it mess with your head Flowers

Skybluepinkgiraffe · 07/07/2021 18:36

Oh another good book is Mr Unavailable And The Fallback Girl. I found it very useful.

Bridezillamaybe · 07/07/2021 19:21

OP read The Rules. I read it in my early twenties and am forever grateful I got to it so early.

You made so many mistakes here. Why were you making yourself so available for this man? Don't you have a million things to do? Isn't your own time precious?

You are self aware enough to know that non-committal sex leaves you feeling empty. So why did you do it? He doesn't owe you anything after sex. You pre-empting by telling him this is kind of manipulative. You're a big girl, if you wanna have sex, have sex. If you don't, say no.

Sorry if I sound harsh. If you ignore my entire post just please please read The Rules.

FrenchieFromGrease · 07/07/2021 19:23

I've never had someone suggest alternatives like that, only to later to retract them

He didn't want to see you, but wanted to keep you on the backburner and had to 'show willing', so he suggested midweek alternatives thinking you would say no. When you said 'yes' you threw a spanner in the works so he had to back out, because he doesn't want to see you and never had any intention of meeting you.

Do you have an anxious attachment style? It seems like the more he pulls away the more frantic you got trying to get the connection back. He didnt want any kind of relationship with you, not even as friends. He was just using you; he is a player.

For the future:

  1. Don't tell men your weaknesses and bad experiences until you've known them a while in the present day and ascertained that they're not pieces of shit. Some men use your vulnerabilities against you.
  1. Work on reading the signs. This guy did not want to see you. It was 100% obvious but you refused to see it, because you wanted to believe he was a good old friend. He wasn't. Judge people by their actions, not their words.
  1. Block him! And in 17 years, when he comes back around again like the bad penny he is, tell him to jog on.

Hope you're ok. Sometimes you get wrapped up in how you want a man to be that you can't see him how he actually is in reality. Flowers

EdgeOfACoin · 07/07/2021 19:34

@AryaStarkWolf

I mean he's not even really stringing you a long OP by the sounds of it, he's taking the cowards way out of trying to tell you he isn't interested without actually coming out and saying "I'm not interested" Sorry though, you definitely need to leave this guy where he should have stayed, in the past
I'm sorry, OP, I agree with this.

Stop listening to this man's words and start looking at his behaviour. Actions speak louder than words. Always.

Kazza2475 · 07/07/2021 19:48

@edgeofacoin thank you. I'm a very straightforward person and whenever I've had attention directed at me that I don't want, I'm always open and honest and tell that person as soon as possible. Politely of course! Silly of me to expect everyone to behave the way I do I guess.
I also kind of thought that because we had history that he would be more honest about his feelings but obviously not!

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Kazza2475 · 07/07/2021 19:55

@FrenchFromGrease yes, looking back I think I did become more frantic as he pulled away. I'm the type of person who would pick at a scan and think I need validation from a man to make me feel good. I'm trying to change but it's not easy!

I will take up your advice and get myself a copy of The Rules 🙂

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Eddielzzard · 07/07/2021 20:03

@Bridezillamaybe The Rules?

Amotherlife · 07/07/2021 20:05

It sounds more like he doesn't want to upset you by being direct than that he is keeping you hanging on deliberately. Endless excuses, in whatever situation, always mean someone doesn't want to do what you are suggesting. No one is so disorganised they cant keep to plans they are looking forward to.

It reminds me of a guy I knew in my 20s. Cannot recall now why I ever agreed to meet up with him as I knew I didn't really like him, but I can recall several painful phone calls he made subsequently, making small talk while I waited for him to get to the point i.e. ask to see me and I made excuses because I couldn't bring myself to tell him the truth. I desperately wanted him to realise that the excuses meant 'I never want to go out with you again'. In my defence it was complicated by the fact I regularly saw him in a social situation, so he wasn't just someone I'd never see again. Maybe this guy feels similarly as he has had an ongoing, if sporadic, relationship of sorts with you.

Kazza2475 · 07/07/2021 20:13

@Naimee87 thanks. Sorry you've had to go through the same thing too, it's a complete head fuck that's for sure isn't it?! I suppose when it was happening I was chasing that hope - he wasn't available when I was but he had suggested alternatives, was chatty and his charming self, so he wasn't saying that he didn't want to meet again, right? And he apologised so many times for being shit and unavailable, I took that to mean that he really did want to see me...

Interestingly I cannot for the life of me remember why we split up. I mean we dated for about 3 monthsor so when we were in our 20s, but I have a niggling feeling that he did a similar thing at that time, just dropping off grid rather than actually breaking up with me. I don't know for sure but it would kind of make sense as I have no recollection of the actual break up!

Looking back at his messages I realise with certainty that he has been stringing me along. Guess that it's good that I know what he's like now rather than further down the line.

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TheFoundations · 07/07/2021 22:01

And he apologised so many times for being shit and unavailable

Perfect example of words and actions not matching. You have to pay attention to the actions. Anybody can say words. I could say I was god, but if you watched me in daily life, you'd catch on quite fast that I'm not Smile

Basically, the guy was repeatedly being shit and unavailable.

joystir59 · 07/07/2021 22:22

He just wanted a shag.

Pesimistic · 08/07/2021 10:11

Well what does your gut tell you?
What are his actions telling you?

Naimee87 · 09/07/2021 10:46

@FrenchieFromGrease i've not heard of this 'anxious attachment' style before but this definitely sounds like me especially with the last man i was involved in. I was a lot like the OP in trying my best to get back the connection we had at the beginning which was never going to happen in a million years but at the time i just couldn't see it. It was really similar to @Skybluepinkgiraffe's story. Disappear then reappear, be so nice for a few days... I think best advise is the minute you feel you are chasing someone or you're unsure if you can text/chat with them either a face to face conversation is needed or you walk away. Choosing to remaining in the limbo because something may happen again takes too much of a toll on your emotions and mental health. Hoping you'll find a decent bloke soon, with things opening up hopefully socialising will be a little easier!

FrenchieFromGrease · 09/07/2021 10:56

@Naimee87 There is a book called Attached by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller which talks about attachment styles and how to have healthy relationships without the push-pull and anxiety if you're interested in learning more. It's really useful. An anxiously attached person keeps trying to get closer and closer to their person when they feel the person is withdrawing. I'm an avoidant attachment person so if someone gets too close to me I run away in fear. Relationships eh, who'd have 'em? Grin

Kazza2475 · 09/07/2021 11:15

@Pesimistic my gut tells me he is making excuses. I do not always trust my instincts though, mainly because I tend to overthink everything and worry about stuff.
He told me several times in some of his messages that he was going through a bad time, was feeling a bit depressed and burnt out etc. so to me it seemed plausible that he wouldn't want to meet up as we all cope with depression in different ways and dont want to mix with others. Tricky situation as we never truly know what's going on in each people's lives.
I must admit I thought it pretty odd that he contacted me all these years later and did wonder if he was going through some kind of crisis, after all it's been an anxiety ridden time for everyone collectively.
All that aside I will have to push him out of my head and move on as it's not doing my mental health any favours!

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Skybluepinkgiraffe · 09/07/2021 11:24

It's all so familiar @Kazza2475
I would hear 'I can't talk to anyone else like I can with you', I'd listen to him if he had worries, and then once he'd got whatever it was off his chest off he'd go. And then if I got irritated by not being able to contact him he'd come back with logical seeming reasons about why I was being pushy and don't I know how Busy and Important and Stressed he is.
As @Naimee87 said, if you're wondering if you can call or text, or you are doing all the running, it's time to walk away.
Easier said than done but so worth it in the end.
For me it made space to meet my lovely DH, who doesn't mess with my head, ever, and is straightforward, decent and kind.