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KR22 · 03/07/2021 13:36

I have been with my partner for 24 years. We have an 11-year-old son.

We never got married, I wanted to, but it never happened. When my son was born, my partner asked me to marry him, gave me a ring and then nothing was mentioned about it again. No plans were made and the subject was changed whenever I brought it up. I stopped wearing the ring because I thought it meant nothing.
Because I thought we were going to get married, I registered my son with his father's surname. I now feel like the odd one out in the family, like I am not worthy of the family surname.
Our relationship is sexless. The last time we had sex was the night my son was conceived. My partner pushed me away so eventually, I stopped trying.
About 3 weeks before my son was born, I found messages on my partners' phone, they appeared to be from another woman. I know I shouldn't have been looking. When I confronted my partner, he said they weren't his messages. It was a second-hand work phone he'd only just got and the messages were on the phone from the previous owner.
4 weeks after my son was born, my partner told me he was going abroad on a business trip. I later found out he didn't go to the country he said he was going to. He was in a different country altogether and it wasn't a business trip. He told me he couldn't cope with a new baby and had to get away for a break. He told me he'd book some counselling to deal with his issues. I forgave him, but I was gutted.
Four years ago my mum died of cancer and in her final year I visited her many weekends and stayed over as she lived a couple of hours away.

About a month after my mum passed away, my partner told me he had to go away on business, to the south of England. As the trust in our relationship had been damaged before, he showed me his phone with the booking for the hotel to prove he was going there. He phoned me once he'd got there and talked about his drive down and how bad the weather had been. He only staying one night and I got slightly suspicious because he packed about 3 changes of clothes that included a new casual outfit.
He was already back when I got home from work the next day, his bags unpacked and all his clothes were in the washing machine. I had a feeling something was going on so the next chance I got, I looked at his phone. I know I shouldn't have.
On the booking site I saw that he had cancelled the hotel he said he was staying at but he'd booked another one in Scotland. I also saw multiple hotel bookings. Some were cancelled, others coincided with dates when I had been visiting my mother before she died. I was shocked. One of the rooms had cost £250. I have never stayed in a hotel that cost that much with him in our entire time together.
I confronted him and he totally denied going to Scotland. He was adamant he was in southern England on a work trip. I asked to see his work calendar so I could see the meetings booked in. I hate that I demanded he to prove to me where he was, but I feel he drove me to it. I knew he was lying, I could sense it, and I wanted him to admit it.
Finally, he admitted he had been in Scotland and not on business. He used to go there to work and said he missed it, so he decided to go there one last time and spend some time on his own.
I told him I wanted to leave, but I didn't have the strength. I was grieving my mother. I was also told my job was under threat at that time. Once again he said he would get counselling.
I pushed the issue aside and tried to get on with things. Four years later it's still on my mind. I don't trust him. I know I shouldn't have looked at his phone but I couldn't help myself. I don't know for sure what has gone on. All I know for sure is that the two times in my life that I have been at my most vulnerable, he has let me down. I've tried to forget it, but I can't get over the fact he blatantly lied to my face. I would never do that to someone.
I want to sell the house which we jointly own, leave him and move back to my hometown a couple of hours away, but I don't think I'll be allowed to do that because we have a son together.
I don't like living in the town I'm in. I've longed to move for years but my partner won't entertain the idea, even though he knows I'm unhappy. If I move, I'm worried I will lose my son.
We generally get on ok day to day, but I feel like I'm living a lie. We're not married, and there's no chance this will happen now. We never have sex. There are trust issues because of the lies. Whenever I discuss things with my partner, he says that we are both to blame. He feels like he is constantly living under the threat that I will leave because I don't want to live in this town. He's a good father to my son. Do I just carry on living this existence to keep the peace until my son has grown up, or should I leave?

OP posts:
BluebellsGreenbells · 03/07/2021 13:41

Leave

For your own sanity

Not sure why you think you’d lose your son, he clearly isn’t that interested

Find a jib rent a house and move

66babe · 03/07/2021 13:43

Leave
You are desperately unhappy and live with a man you don't have trust respect or intimacy
This will affect your DS and give him a terrible idea of what a loving relationship should be
Sending you strength and a big hug

whichwayisup · 03/07/2021 13:50

Of course you should leave. He sounds very strange. How weird. Who cares what he thinks. And stop apologising for looking at his phone. If anything you should have looked more. At the very least he's been cheating on you. You sound so disconnected from it all.

chickenyhead · 03/07/2021 13:59

He is using you. I'm sorry. I think that you are worth more than this. How many years will you waste with this man?

username18702 · 03/07/2021 14:02

OP I'm at a loss as to what you're getting out of your marriage. He's been having an affair for years, you haven't had sex in over a decade. At every opportunity he's banging another woman and spending family money on her. You knew this was going on but decided to remain in denial. Instead of supporting you and your son, during the decline in health and death of your mother, he thought YIPPEE! I can bang my mistress while my wife and son grieve!

As though he gives a shit if you move away with your son, doubt the bed would get cold. OP wake up and smell the coffee. Either remain in denial or divorce. He's been cheating for over ten years OP, he's not going to stop.

Sarahlou63 · 03/07/2021 14:09

@username18702 - the OP said (several times) that she's not married.

@KR22 I want to sell the house which we jointly own, leave him and move back to my hometown a couple of hours away, but I don't think I'll be allowed to do that because we have a son together.

Have you sought legal advice about selling and moving away or is it your partner who won't "allow" it? If it's the latter then tell him to fuck off.

username18702 · 03/07/2021 14:13

[quote Sarahlou63]@username18702 - the OP said (several times) that she's not married.

@KR22 I want to sell the house which we jointly own, leave him and move back to my hometown a couple of hours away, but I don't think I'll be allowed to do that because we have a son together.

Have you sought legal advice about selling and moving away or is it your partner who won't "allow" it? If it's the latter then tell him to fuck off.[/quote]
My utmost apologies:

OP I'm at a loss as to what you're getting out of your relationship.

I hope that heals any damage my words have caused.

KR22 · 03/07/2021 16:27

@Sarahlou63
Have you sought legal advice about selling and moving away or is it your partner who won't "allow" it? If it's the latter then tell him to fuck off.

No, I haven't sought legal advice, but I think I need to. We have joint parental responsibility for our son. When I've talked about leaving in the past, he's made it clear he doesn't want me to move back to my hometown, 2 hours away, because he wouldn't be able to see his son every day. His hometown is two hours in the other direction, so 4 hours from my hometown and we currently live an equal distance from both. He said how would I feel if he moved back to his hometown and took our son. If we both moved, I would hate to be 4 hours away from my son. I would only be able to see him in the school holidays. I can see things getting very messy even though we're not married. I feel trapped.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 03/07/2021 16:48

You need legal advice.
He sounds awful.

Aquamarine1029 · 03/07/2021 16:55

I'm sorry, op, everything you wrote is just noise, and almost as though you're looking for permission to leave. Which is bizarre, frankly.

The only thing you need to say is that you are miserable. Your relationship is dead and utter shit. Just get the hell out of there and don't waste another day.

66babe · 03/07/2021 17:06

@Aquamarine1029 I gather you have never hit rock bottom ?
Never been in a relationship where your very soul has been dragged so low that there seems no way forward , nothing to aim for , nothing to look forward to ?
Please show some kindness to someone desperately looking for help

chickenyhead · 03/07/2021 17:14

[quote KR22]@Sarahlou63
Have you sought legal advice about selling and moving away or is it your partner who won't "allow" it? If it's the latter then tell him to fuck off.

No, I haven't sought legal advice, but I think I need to. We have joint parental responsibility for our son. When I've talked about leaving in the past, he's made it clear he doesn't want me to move back to my hometown, 2 hours away, because he wouldn't be able to see his son every day. His hometown is two hours in the other direction, so 4 hours from my hometown and we currently live an equal distance from both. He said how would I feel if he moved back to his hometown and took our son. If we both moved, I would hate to be 4 hours away from my son. I would only be able to see him in the school holidays. I can see things getting very messy even though we're not married. I feel trapped.[/quote]
You aren't the one lying to your partner though are you? So your positions are not comparable. Yes you would hate to be 4 hours away from your son, but you aren't treating his father with utter disrespect.

Fuck him. Your son will soon be old enough to travel between you both and choose where he wants to be. No excuse for you to continue to be treated like valueless scum.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 03/07/2021 17:53

The fact that he waited until he'd got you pregnant and then never touched you sexually again, coupled with the history of lying about his whereabouts on many "work" trips, would Ave thinking "cherchez l'homme" in this particular case.

Get yourself some legal advice op. You need out of this toxic environment.

BluebellsGreenbells · 03/07/2021 18:41

Why would you have limited access?
He’s twisted your thinking.

I bet he won’t bother seeing him as it will upset his business trips.

You don’t need his permission to move in the same country.

minniemouseshouses · 03/07/2021 22:44

OP, seek legal advice ASAP and also get reading on eg citizens advice on parental rights and responsibilities. You aren’t trapped. Many women before you have broken out and lived better, happier lives for it. Good luck Flowers

DivorceCoach · 04/07/2021 00:32

Dear OP,

What you are going through is normal. You have been through so much, it's no wonder that this is a really difficult decision.

A lot of fear comes from not knowing the answers to all these questions you have. So first step is to get clarity. Contact a solicitor. The best way to choose a solicitor is to contact 3 local ones and ask them a list of pre-prepared questions to ascertain which one is the right fit for you. Book your consultation with the one you are most comfortable with. Once you have the answers to your questions, you will find the decision making a lot easier.

Second step is to set up your support network so you don't feel so alone. Aside from the solicitor, your support network should include, a financial advisor, family and friend who help you move forward(not the ones who bash your partner), an exercise buddy (a good brisk walk will lift your mood and clear your mind) and a divorce coach to help you through the emotional and practical aspects of your situation. Just having these people identified will alleviate the stress and anxiety you might be feeling about what lies ahead.

As for staying for the sake of your son, it is rarely a good idea to stay in a relationship for the sake of your children, especially when you are extremely unhappy. If this relationship is crushing your soul, you will not be in the right place to look after your son's happiness - is that really going to benefit him? Also remember, he's learning everything about relationships from you so set a good example. If you're not happy, you can part peacefully and with everyone's interests in mind.

You will get there, just take it one step at a time. And remember, your needs count as much as everyone else's. You deserve to be happy.

You're going to ok.

I'm sending you warm hugs. Xx

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