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Was I right to call off the wedding?

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chersbestwig · 30/06/2021 16:42

I'm in a muddle and feeling really sad and confused. I was due to get married in a couple of weeks (no big ceremony, just a small thing) and I have called off the wedding. I just need a bit of a coach from women tougher than me to feel okay that I have done the right thing.

It's a muddle because there is so much good along with the bad. I love DP very deeply and believe he loves me too just as much. There is so much good in our relationship. We are best friends, he is kind, we argue with compassion, we enjoy the same things, we want the same thing out of life, he is always really loving, the sex is great, we are always honest, we communicate very well, we laugh all the time, there's equality, support and we are definitely better together than apart.

However, I think real loyalty, respect and trust are lacking between us and those are things I feel I can't live without.

This all focusses around his ex, who is a pretty horrible person. I am not just saying that out of some misplaced jealousy or some sense of bias. She is factually a pretty horrible person and he had PTSD from their relationship.

She's narcissistic, highly manipulative and has even been violent. He had to file domestics abuse reports and so on. All pretty horrible and it took a lot of therapy for him to get on solid ground after he left her. They have a kid (older), so "no contact" is not possible and on several occasions she has used contact regarding their child to try hoovering him. It's been a persistent problem that he lacks boundaries and tramples over what I tell him makes me feel hurt or threatened.

To give you an example of what I mean, she found that we were engaged and started emailing and calling, requesting to meet up with him for "closure" and saying she needed him because she was unable to cope. I told him it was classic hoovering and not to go, but she pushed and pushed for weeks on end with waterworks, suicide threats and so on until he caved and met her on account of him worries about his child if she was in such a state.

Any contact with her at all always results in the same thing. She makes him forget the abuse, she reminds him of "good times", she makes him feel he was to blame for all her abuse (he really believes this) and then he comes away almost with abuse amnesia where he sees her as a victim and so on.

So as a result of that meeting, he ended up relaxing boundaries, thinking they could be "friendly" again and entering into an email exchange where he said things about fond memories with her, which she then screenshotted and emailed to me to try and end our engagement. Which is what she does (as I said, a terrible person).

It is like he gets literally brainwashed with any contact with her. He established in therapy that this is part of the hoovering and he read books on it and cognitively understands she is manipulating him and is trying to get rid of me, but he always ends up getting suckered back into a conversation with her. She has bombarded us with attempts to break us up over a very long period, and even stalked me at one point.

I have dealt with her, and I will be honest, she even had me believing she was my best friend because she is very good at playing the victim and she's very charming (she fits the bill of a female psychopath actually) and she has such a way with words that you come away very confused so I do understand how she makes him feel obligated and guilty, but the problem is I set boundaries and he doesn't follow them.

I am not threatened that he will leave me for her or that he still loves her, I believe that's not the case. I am threatened by the fact she is going out of her way to destroy our lives and has done some truly teeth chattering things that scare me. I want him to keep me and us safe and I want him to also put me and us first.

The problem with lack of trust, loyalty and respect is that he repeatedly allows contact with her beyond what is absolutely necessary and this then leads to the abuse amnesia and I feel like we are not on a team together. I feel if he agrees not to speak to her, then he does, that I can't trust him. I feel that he has been disloyal in lots of ways by saying things to her and to others in the family which undermine me. I think he shows a lack of respect by not seeing how much it affects me.

I'm not a jealous woman, but this particular ex has genuinely been so awful to us and on so many occasions she has phoned or emailed me to try and get rid of me and the fact she can get him to do things (even if stopping for a cup of tea) which make me feel betrayed just makes me feel I can't marry this person.

He says he loves me and wants to marry me and really only has anything to do with her because of their kid. Which I understand, but which I also think is being used to manipulate me into tolerating things no one should have to tolerate. I am fine with my husband being friendly with his ex, but not if that person is terrorizing me!

He is a good man who loves me, I know this. But I think he's also a weak man who is a bit of a people pleaser so because she is demanding and a bully and I am gentle and calm he tends to let her win and it's just too much to live like this.

I did the right thing didn't I?

OP posts:
chersbestwig · 30/06/2021 18:00

@VettiyaIruken I ended the relationship. I kicked him out actually. He's gone to stay with his brother. I was just so angry and upset I couldn't even look at him. I am sure the anger will simmer down, but I am afraid I will take him back. I love him so much but as pp said he is the co-creator of this and he cannot see it!

@Blossomtoes Yep, I have a deep horrible feeling that she won. She set out to get rid of me and achieved that but my logic is that (a) getting one over on her isn't a reason to get married and (b) she only won because he let her!!!

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toddlema · 30/06/2021 18:00

I cancelled my wedding a few years ago because of a nutty family, no regrets here. In fact, I saved my sanity by doing it. Each person in a relationship should bring a real positive plus to the others life, be that emotionally, encouragingly or simply someone that makes you be the best of you. And I am no Saint, not right all the time but I know you'll be at peace with any decision you made eventually. Deep breath, control the negative influencers access to your life and you will be fine.

Bluetrews25 · 30/06/2021 18:01

Good call.
Does this mean the relationship is off, too?
Because it probably should be, shouldn't it?

chersbestwig · 30/06/2021 18:04

@Babygotblueyes I have a lot of empathy for him, hence I have tolerated a LOT, but it's very hard to get someone (especially a man) to see themselves as an abuse victim. He's invested in seeing the situation a bit differently. Ie: She loves him so much that it drove her to all this, she is wounded, he is responsible. I think that makes him feel better than seeing he is a complete mug.

He does swing between the two. When he has no contact for a while with her he sort of wakes up like someone who's come out of hypnosis and he sees her as she is. Then a single conversation with her and he is right back to it. The crux is ultimately her narrative that he is to blame, and all her mental behavior is love.

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Blossomtoes · 30/06/2021 18:10

She set out to get rid of me and achieved that but my logic is that (a) getting one over on her isn't a reason to get married and (b) she only won because he let her!!!

But that wasn’t why you were getting married. You were getting married for all the right reasons but she was the reason you called it off. She won because you both let her.

I feel so sorry for both of you, it’s a horrible situation but I’m damned if I’d let the bitch spoil my life. As Bluetrews says it really has to be all or nothing otherwise this will go on tormenting the pair of you for ever.

Babygotblueyes · 30/06/2021 18:13

[quote chersbestwig]@Babygotblueyes I have a lot of empathy for him, hence I have tolerated a LOT, but it's very hard to get someone (especially a man) to see themselves as an abuse victim. He's invested in seeing the situation a bit differently. Ie: She loves him so much that it drove her to all this, she is wounded, he is responsible. I think that makes him feel better than seeing he is a complete mug.

He does swing between the two. When he has no contact for a while with her he sort of wakes up like someone who's come out of hypnosis and he sees her as she is. Then a single conversation with her and he is right back to it. The crux is ultimately her narrative that he is to blame, and all her mental behavior is love.[/quote]
Absolutely agree. Which is why perhaps Mankind could be helpful. Hopefully if he realizes you are serious about this being a deal breaker, it will motivate him back to therapy or some other kind of help so he can accept this. I hope so, because it sounds like you really love him but this situation is intolerable. Too bad he cant go NC. Good luck to you.

EL8888 · 30/06/2021 18:16

I think you did completely the right thing. It sounds so draining and he could handle the whole thing a lot better

forumdonkey · 30/06/2021 18:16

His child is 15?! He doesn't need contact with his ex. At 15 he could maintain contact with his daughter without ex's involvement

HandsSpaceArse · 30/06/2021 18:22

You did the right thing.

16 and 28 is shocking.

Dontbeme · 30/06/2021 18:26

You did the right thing OP, because as much as you love him he will always put her first. I have a great deal of sympathy for him but only he can break this cycle with this woman and he refuses to. Sadly to be free of her torment you have to be free of him too.

IsThePopeCatholic · 30/06/2021 18:35

You did the right thing, op, but I feel really sorry for both of you. He has been abused by his ex and you, too, are a victim. It’s almost as though she has groomed him and he now cannot extricate himself from her. It’s really sad.

chersbestwig · 30/06/2021 18:39

@Blossomtoes you're right in principal, but the point is I did set boundaries. He broke them. No alcohol around her. No personal emails outwith the child. He breaks them. I cry and get ill and he kept doing it :( I need to feel safe with my partner

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FlowerArranger · 30/06/2021 18:40

It doesn't really matter who 'won'.

What matters is that this man is weak, easily manipulated and lacking boundaries.

Chances are all this horrible stuff would continue even after the child becomes an adult. He is still intertwined with the ex, and that's unlikely to change unless he has more therapy and really, really commits himself to changing. Which, given the history, is unlikely.

EKGEMS · 30/06/2021 18:41

I think you should walk away as he may never be disentangled from that bitch! I'd actually take some time away and enjoy some peace and quiet and perhaps get individual counseling for all you've suffered. If your ex is still available in the future I'd go back as long as it was a good relationship

chersbestwig · 30/06/2021 18:43

@Babygotblueyes I do really love him, but it's intolerable as you say. I can stick by him through it, I can help him heal from the abuse. But if he consistently breaks boundaries that's his choice and he does that knowing it will hurt me. Yes, I think he will know I am serious as I packed his bags and cancelled out wedding. He was crying, it was awful, but I genuinely literally just explained to him that he needed to be loyal to me NO MATTER WHAT and that was what the ring on my finger meant. He has a mental block where he believes because he doesn't love her or want her, why can't he chat to her if he wants to. It's like being with an alcoholic who thinks he can have a beer.

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chersbestwig · 30/06/2021 18:45

@IsThePopeCatholic exactly this. She groomed him. I think he actually relates to her like a toxic mother. No matter what she does, she is some sort of source of security to him which is bizarre.

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VimFuego101 · 30/06/2021 18:45

I think you have done exactly the right thing. This would have been a miserable life for you. He needs to continue having counseling and establish boundaries with her.

Blossomtoes · 30/06/2021 18:47

[quote chersbestwig]@Blossomtoes you're right in principal, but the point is I did set boundaries. He broke them. No alcohol around her. No personal emails outwith the child. He breaks them. I cry and get ill and he kept doing it :( I need to feel safe with my partner[/quote]
I know. But that’s kind of the point. You set the boundaries. He needs to set them and not break them. I agree with @EKGEMS, call it a day completely and take some time to get your head straight. And I know that’s easier said than done. I’m so sorry. 💐

MzHz · 30/06/2021 18:52

You absolutely did the right thing in calling this off

He needs to cut contact with her and just leave contact between his child and himself

RandomMess · 30/06/2021 18:57
Thanks

Until sets boundaries and sticks to them she will control the rest of his life.

You made the right choice.

AnastasiaBeverleyHills · 30/06/2021 19:05

@MingeofDeath

There would be three people in the marriage. You have done the right thing, he is spineless.
He is not "spineless". He is an abuse victim.

OP go with your gut. If you believe it's the right thing (which you seem to) then it's the right thing. It's terribly sad but a lot of abuse victims can never leave their ex behind. It's years of manipulation and grooming.

AlternativePerspective · 30/06/2021 19:14

Even abuse victims have to take some responsibility sometimes.

E.g. if a woman is being abused to the extent that SS are threatening to remove her children do we say “she is a victim?” Or do we tel her she needs to put her children first?

Yes it’s an extreme example but the truth is he is no longer in this abusive relationship and no longer needs to be. No doubt he was abused in the past but he is choosing to interact with this woman, even though he knows it is to the detriment of his current relationship.

In essence, his relationship with his ex wife is more important to him than his relationship with the OP. He probably even still loves her in a way, the abuse is the reason he likely left after all, and when she reminds him of the good times they had together he remembers why he fell in love with her.

OP you absolutely did the right thing. The only person who can help him here is himself. He has to want to break free of his ex, and clearly he doesn’t want that yet.

If you’re afraid you’ll take him back then I would block his number and tell him the relationship is over and there can be no contact.

Justa47 · 30/06/2021 19:15

@chersbestwig

I think the wrong thing.
He is not spineless he sounds a nice guy.
We all have history.!

Tistheseason17 · 30/06/2021 19:27

You've done the right thing, OP.
Stay strong and meet someone who will put you first and value you.

TillyTopper · 30/06/2021 19:35

I don't believe it's wrong to ever call a wedding off, but it can be wrong to go ahead. (I say this barring exceptional circumstances like marrying someone who is about to pass away etc.)