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Family therapy or ignore and let the dust settle where it may?

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Thistledew · 28/06/2021 22:06

I'll try to keep this brief, as it could otherwise be a lengthy saga.

Basically, the relationship between my mother and my mother-in-law has broken down to the extent that they won't be in the same room as each other. I'm at a loss as to how to try to fix things or whether I should even try.

My mother is Mrs Negativity. She finds fault with pretty much everything as just part of her conversational style. She doesn't even realise that she does it much of the time and if you point it out she says that she doesn't mean to be critical. She almost certainly has been depressed for most of her adult life but has reacted really badly to anti-depressants in the past. Some CBT therapy has helped with targeted problems but not her general negative approach to life. She is also going through a difficult time. My father died nearly 3 years ago and they had been together nearly 45 years. She is facing moving out of the home they built together and lived in for most of that time. She professes to like change, but without a doubt finds the process of change very, very difficult- even for small differences. She is also struggling to come to terms with physical disability that is preventing her from doing lots of things that she planned to do after my father died.

My MiL is generally an anxious person. This mostly manifests itself through disordered eating and health anxiety. COVID has exacerbated this, party rationally as she suffers from brittle asthma and gets frequent chest infections, but partly due to her anxiety. She is an emotional communicator - when she talks it is always about people she knows and what they have said and what they think, or she will say something that might not factually make a lot of sense but is important to her for the emotional impact. But for all her emotional connections she can be quite unable to see things from someone else's perspective and can end up being pretty tactless at times.

For COVID driven reasons, I, DH and 2DC have lived with my mum since the beginning of lockdown 1. DC2 was born shortly after this started and because of lockdown MiL hardly saw us for about 3 months. She was understandably jealous of my mum for this, and for the close relationship that my mum now has with DC2 in particular. Now I'm returning to work and we are reliant on MiL for childcare, which she has offered us two days a week. My mum is jealous of MiL as her disability means she is not physically capable of looking after the DC on her own for more than an hour or so.

I've developed a pretty thick skin when it comes to my mum. I mostly shut down or ignore her negativity and it only occasionally gets to me when I'm stressed about other things. I find MiL's anxiety and emotionality quite irritating and for a time our relationship was not good - I would deploy my defensive shutting down tactics which really made her emotional neediness react and upset her. I've tried really hard not to be so defensive and things have improved somewhat.

Things recently came to a head when MiL got upset at one of my mum's negative comments and accused her of being ungrateful for a lot of hard work that my DH has done on renovating a bungalow that my mum is shortly due to move into.iL got so angry that she apparently stood there shaking her finger at my mum and scolding her like a child. My mum has decided that she won't be around MiL unless absolutely necessary as "It's not fair to her to have to be around someone about whom she has such a low opinion".

I believe that both mum and MiL are kind people who want the best for their families and will put themselves out see that, but they are both quite flawed in very different ways. I don't know whether to let things lie- to accept mum avoiding MiL and refusing to join in family meals, or to drag them off to family therapy in a hope that they might actually find a way to get along. They are both in their 70s so I'm not hoping for any radical behaviour changes from either but it would be nice if they would work together rather than tearing strips off each other.

Is therapy a good idea or should I just ignore the rift and accept that things are better if they don't spend time together.

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AnnaMagnani · 28/06/2021 22:30

My DM and MIL would die if they had to spend any time together.

They met at our wedding, disliked each other on sight and that was about it.

My impression has always been that this was a normal state of affairs, I don't recall having family meals with both sets of grandparents either (who also disliked each other).

I think your DM and MIL would probably refuse to go to family therapy. They have their own solution and it works perfectly well for them.

MichelleScarn · 28/06/2021 22:34

Think my parents and inlaws have met twice, they really don't need to have a relationship.

Did your MIL have any support network over lockdown while your were with your DM? Was moving in for her benefit or yours?

Thistledew · 28/06/2021 22:36

I suppose it is not that uncommon- but DH and I have been together for over 10 years and we have had regular family meals during that time as my mum and MiL live not far from each other. This breakdown in relationship is a new development.

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ThePlantsitter · 28/06/2021 22:38

Honestly I think you have the patience of a saint. I would have made myself scarce from all this overwrought emotion of one kind or another way back.

You are not responsible for any of it. Just keep them apart and involve yourself as little as possible.

Thistledew · 28/06/2021 22:40

MiL has a good group of friends. She is a very social person.

The move to live with my mum was meant to be temporary for about a month so we could have help with the DC when I gave birth in lockdown 1, but for various reasons it became permanent and has been mutually beneficial.

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Onlyfoolsandfathers · 28/06/2021 22:49

I think you need to find some independence as a family unit and then you can interact with them both separately. Most people don't ask/need the two grandmothers to get along which is good as they rarely would!

MichelleScarn · 28/06/2021 22:49

Is the childcare your MIL providing in the house you live in with your dm, or your MIL house? I can see why there is upset/confusion there if the reason dm moved in was to help with the dc, but now MIL is needed? Agree it sounds like you'll be the one lumped with all the issues, don't give anyone your ear to moan/complain to you, you'll have enough on your plate with return to work!

Onlyfoolsandfathers · 28/06/2021 22:50

Or you could sit them both down and tell them they're making you miserable and they need to find a way to live at peace with each other because it will affect the children and limit the amount of time you can all enjoy together. Then leave them to it for an hour.

Thistledew · 28/06/2021 23:01

DH and I have bought my mum's house from her to facilitate her moving into a bungalow that is more suitable for her disability. She hasn't yet moved as the bungalow has just been renovated, but that process is almost complete so it it nearly crunch time for the move. MiL comes here to do childcare for DC, and it's not really feasible for them to go to her.

Fortunately, the bungalow is sufficiently finished that my mum can go there when MiL is here, but I feel for her that not only is she having to deal with the loss from moving out of her home but it feels like MiL is taking over and replacing her here.

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Onlyfoolsandfathers · 28/06/2021 23:12

That's very hard for her isn't it. I would just be grateful if everyone can keep talking to each other during this period. Low expectations, peace keeping, gentle boundary setting.

Thistledew · 28/06/2021 23:25

DH has spoken to MiL several times and told her just how hard my mum is finding the pending move and restrictions on her mobility. MiL is full of helpful suggestions on what my mum 'should' be doing to make things easier, which are undoubtedly true but which fail to take into account the mental difficulties my mum is facing. So it's fair to say that she has been really tactless on several occasions. On the other hand, my mum seems to have a compulsion to seek out conflict and disagreement and will stubbornly dig her heels in seemingly just for the sake of being 'right' about something.

It makes twice as much work for me in deciphering when mum is being stubbornly negative for the sake of it and actually could benefit from help to accept the proposed change, and when she does have a point and people are trying to steamroller her into something that would not suit her.

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MichelleScarn · 29/06/2021 11:53

Oh op I would leave them to it they are adults and it's not fair them dumping all the stress to manage their behaviours on you. Do you think there is a risk your mum will still see the house as 'hers' and this will be part of the issue? MIL being their and she's not?

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