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Do all men act like teenagers or is it just mine?

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DisneyBaby · 25/06/2021 23:51

I feel like my husband has no respect for me at all and treats me like I'm his mum and he is a teenager.
My husband leaves a trail of mess wherever he goes around the house, doesn't do any chores and just expects me to do everything.
For example; he takes his clothes off every night and leaves them on the bedroom floor, never back in the wardrobe or the laundry basket, most often they are left inside out too. He will leave plates, mugs, glasses everywhere and empty wrappers, rarely takes them to the kitchen, let alone putting them in the dishwasher. If he wants a headache tablet he will leave all the packet sprawled out on the worktop, can't even be bothered to put the sachet back in the packet and back in the cupboard.
He does things like load the dishwasher or cut the grass but only when I ask him, never off his own back, and often after a bit of tutting or moaning.
We've been married 4 years, together for 10 and have a 17 month old daughter and a dog. He never walks the dog, does as little nappies as possible and even when I ask him to get our daughter ready for bed, put her in her sleep-suit and do her teeth etc, it feels like a big ask all the time.
He says I'm not fun anymore and always moan at him but I feel like I'm being unappreciated and taken for a mug all the time.
We haven't had much sex lately but it's because I'm just not in the mood, it's true what Stacey Solomon says about a man who does chores is a turn on, if he was more supportive and helped around the house I'd feel more attracted to him and we'd have more sex. He's not very affectionate either, never grabs me for a cuddle. Sometimes he grabs and gropes me if I'm getting dressed or something but I'm always like get off because it feels like he's only tactile or helpful when he wants to have sex.

Anyway what I want to know is, is this just a standard bloke thing or have I got a particularly lazy man? It's getting me down because I feel like I would just love someone to just be a bit more gentlemanly and ask if I want a drink or cup or tea once in a while or say 'is there anything I can do to help around the house'. Is that asking too much? My Dad is that kind of person but he's 61, are there any younger guys like that??

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minmooch · 26/06/2021 08:57

Why do so many women put up with such lazy men? No, not all men are like this.

My partner cooks, cleans, does diy, gardening, laundry, equally and without me asking. We are both intelligent enough to see what needs doing and when and getting on with it.

Oysterbabe · 26/06/2021 09:04

No all men aren't like this. We both work and we both do our share of chores and looking after the kids. He knows if he left his clothes on the floor there is zero chance that I will tidy them away for him, I'm not his mum and won't act like I am.
You need to have a talk with him, let him know you won't be doing it anymore and mean it.

layladomino · 26/06/2021 09:16

Please please please don't accept this. He either thinks it's your job to be 'mum' and pick up after him (but surely anyone with any intelligence wouldn't think that) or he's well aware that chores should be shared but doesn't care and would rather work you to death so he can do nothing (which means he doesn't care very much for your wellbeing).

Neither scenario reflects well on him does it? His laziness is to your detriment, and he seems to think that's fine. And as mentioned above, that's before you start to consider the effect this will have on your DC - it sends a very clear message that a woman's job is to skivvy / run around after others / be the serving maid and housekeeper.

I'm utterly amazed at how many posts there are about men who won't pull their weight (and it isn't 'helping out' by the way - it's two human adults equally sharing the load of running a home / family). Why are they so lazy? Entitled? Uncaring of their partner's wellbeing?

In our house there's a (never really discussed, it just happened from day 1) general rule that noone stops working until everyone stops. So it doesn't matter what you're doing (I'm more likely to do housework / husband is more likely to do gardening / mending / DIY, although we do mix it up quite a bit and there's a lot of crossover) - but one of us doesn't 'down tools' for the day if the other is still working. That way, we pull our weight equally, and we get the same amount of time to relax.

I can't imagine anyone thinking that anything else is fair.

updownroundandround · 26/06/2021 10:00

@DisneyBaby

It is NOT help you need, you need a partner ! Stop thinking in terms of 'getting him to help you', it's his role as your partner and father to do the same as you do, every day, 365 days a year.

Get him to read this, and ask him to 'step up' or 'ship out', because it'll never be a happy marriage unless you are partners, in it together.

Why I Don't Help My Wife
Recently, I invited a friend over. Sipping coffee in my living room, the conversation turned from movies and sports to life. We are both about the same age, and both have been married for about the same amount of time. As we talked, I heard the loud clamoring of the dishwasher stop as it finished its final cycle. Excusing myself, I told my friend I must put away the dishes.My friend shot me a glance: a shock of disbelief, almost defensive in posture. He told me that it's great that I help out my wife, but that he doesn't bother. “Every time I do chores,” he said, “she doesn't have an ounce of gratitude. If she's not gonna thank me for helping her out, why should I even bother?” This startled me. I'm normally not a confrontational kind of guy. I don't like to talk about politics, and I usually keep my comments to myself. But this was too much. I couldn't contain myself.“Look man, I said, I'm not 'helping her out. My wife doesn't need 'help.' She needs a partner. The two of us are a team.” He started to reply, trying to explain what he meant by the comment, but I stopped him, continuing:I don't “help” my wife clean the house. We keep our house clean because we both live here and want the house to be clean. I clean the house because it's where I live, and my wife isn't a maid, but a partner.I don't “help” my wife cook because it's not her job to cook and my job to eat. We both live here, we both need to eat, and in order for us to eat, the cooking needs to be done.I don't “help” my wife do the dishes because they're my dishes, too. I eat off them, just like her, and it's in both of our interests to have them be cleaned.I don't “help” my wife with her children because they're my children, too. They need a mother and they need a father, and raising them is both of our jobs.I don't “help” my wife clean, fold clothes, do laundry, or any other chores because they aren't only “hers,” but mine.I'm not only a “help,” a hired hand that helps my wife out on occasion in exchange for a “thank you,” a kiss, or sex. I am a part of the house.Then, I turned back to my friend, his face tense with embarrassment. I was now in my full preacher mode, and it was time to charge my audience with conviction. I asked him “do you thank your wife every time she cleans the house?” He clamored to defend himself, but I continued: “I'm not talking about a half-baked “thanks” that you mutter from across the room, but actually looking her in her eye and saying that you appreciate that she worked all day to help you take care of your home!” “Do you look her in the eye and tell her she's fantastic, beautiful, the best thing that ever happened to you and that she means the world to you?” “Do you tell her how much you love that she keeps your house clean?”You should not “help” your wife with the chores in exchange for some kind of prize. What prize does she get for helping you out? You need to get out of this “Leave it to Beaver” mentality, step out of TV Land, and step up and be a real husband.My friend stood speechless, flabbergasted, fumbling to find an excuse. I shrunk in slight embarrassment for a moment, even though I knew it had to be said.I spoke again to break the silence: “I'm just saying man, your wife doesn't owe you anything. She's not your “help,” and you should treat her like an equal partner.”Many of us were raised in home with mothers who waited on us hand in foot. We took their help for granted, because they had to raise us and take care of us. But your wife is not your mother. She's not raising you, and you're not a child. Marriage is an equal partnership. Your wife is not your mother, and she's not there to take care of you.You are there to take care of each other, to have a house together, raise children together, and form an equal partnership. That means each of you carrying your share of the load, and thanking each other for help. Macho culture would make you think that everything is your wife's job, but there's nothing macho about this. It's the behavior of a child who needs to be taken care of, not an adult who can provide in a partnership.Imagine a child who constantly demands help from his mother, constantly makes messes, and never thanks her for anything. That's basically how you act towards your wife. That might be acceptable for a young infant, but not for an adult. So thank your wife for what she does, and make sure that you carry an equal share of the load, helping her in any way possible.When you make a mess, you shouldn't expect your wife to clean it up. It's your job to clean up your own messes. You both live there, you're not “helping” her with anything because it's your home.Likewise, it's not her job to constantly cook. In my home, I always do the cooking, because I'm good at it.These “traditional” roles were sold to us by fictional television. They say nothing about the reality of marriage. If you step all over your wife like Homer Simpson, you are on a one-way street to a divorce.So to everyone out there who is concerned about their own masculinity, if you want to be a macho man, stop acting like a child and making your wife do all the work and chores. Thank her, and do your part to contribute.

LannieDuck · 26/06/2021 10:03

What's your work situation - are you SAHM / PT / FT? Is your DD in nursery for part of the week?

It's hard to judge things like dog walking / dishwasher without some context. Regardless, he should be doing a basic level of picking up after himself simply because he's an adult and he lives there.

newnortherner111 · 26/06/2021 10:03

If you are going to issue any ultimatum then 100% it must be carried out, not be a threat and you must not back down, difficult as it is.

The man you describe and others like him have a role model in Downing Street.

Fitforforty · 26/06/2021 10:08

Nope my DH never behaves that way. He doesn’t ‘help’ around the house, he pulls his weight. My 5 year old and nearly 2 year old tidy up after themselves with some prompting.

DisneyBaby · 26/06/2021 12:08

So our situation is my husband works full time in London, but is working 3 days at home at the moment.
I have a full time job but it's very easy, I mean I probably send about 3/4 emails a week and make a couple of phone calls so I'm lucky enough that I don't have to put my daughter in childcare because I just juggle my work responsibilities around being a stay at home mum.

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DisneyBaby · 26/06/2021 12:12

On a weekend when he's not working, he often plays golf and then comes in and crashes on the sofa and will watch sport for a couple of hours coz he's knackered.
He also sometimes plays golf or football in the evenings after work.
So in general I feel like I don't get much 'down time' from being a full time Mum. Which sounds awful because I live my daughter to bits and love spending so much time with her, but I do feel like I'm either in Mum mode or if I get a spare minute when she's napping or whatever, I then have a heap of housework to do...

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category12 · 26/06/2021 12:23

Why have you let this go on for 10 years?

nimbuscloud · 26/06/2021 12:30

Are you happy to stay with him? Is it a case that it’s better than having no man?

DisneyBaby · 26/06/2021 12:33

@nimbuscloud Yeah I do feel like that sometimes tbh..

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Melitza · 26/06/2021 12:41

I'm sure some pp's will say they're golfing dh's are good men but so far every woman on MN whose dh plays golf seems to have a lazy man child for a partner.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 26/06/2021 12:41

I've met the type but the majority I know are not lazy helpless slobs at all.
nobody in my family was like that, none of my friends or exes either.

DH certainly isn't and our kids are being taught not to be like that either.
and their friends aren't like that either.
DS3's friends stayed the night in the tent in our graden, they picked up all the rubbish after themselves, cleared up the table without being told.

so no, definitely not all men

DoctorManhattan · 26/06/2021 12:45

I split the house work and chores evenly with my wife. We aren’t ‘helping’ each other out - we both live here, we both make the mess, therefore we are both responsible for cleaning and all the general maintenance jobs.

Your DH needs a kick up the arse.

TwilightSkies · 26/06/2021 12:46

Not all men are like this. Unfortunately quite a lot are though!
He won’t change, he doesn’t respect you or care about you as a person. You just exist to make his life easier.
Now you’re really noticing what he’s like, you won’t be able to unsee it.
Being with a useless drain like him is NOT better than being on your own.
Negligence and selfishness causes resentment, and resentment kills most relationships.

Bbub · 26/06/2021 12:49

It doesn't sound awful to want some downtime from being a mum. Everyone needs a break. It's doubtful that he changes, you can't change him anyhow, he needs to want to change himself. You can take responsibility here for how you want to live. Stop accepting this treatment. He sounds fucking terrible. Lay down some rules and if he doesn't change then sorry but it's an LTB from me.

Graphista · 26/06/2021 15:48

@Oblahdeeoblahdoe it's shocking isn't it?

In my experience it seems to be worst among the "younger" men those under 45

My parents and grandparents had "traditional" marriages in terms of division of Labour BUT it was a division of Labour the men weren't lazy and generally weren't completely disrespectful in terms of they would tidy up after themselves! I was actually discussing this with mum the other day as I'd had a tradesman in and dad was one after he left army for a bit. Dad would NEVER have made and left a mess for the customer to clean up! But tradesmen these days seem to a lot!

Dad and grandads certainly wouldn't have eg left skiddy underwear for their wives to pick up after them, if they had a cuppa even if they didn't do dishes as there weren't enough they'd at least rinse the cup out, pop a little fairy in it and leave it soaking, they'd pick up rubbish discarded by little kids in the family etc

Men now seem SO LAZY and the women are tolerating it - I don't mean it's the women's responsibility to "train" them but certainly too many women are getting into relationships with them and staying with them. Where are their standards?

I am single now and I would never stay with someone fundamentally lazy and messy, it's apparent from early on in dating - personal hygiene, their attitude to work, how their space/home is kept, the state of their car!

Someone with a messy car is a total turnoff for me

Glad @updownroundandround I was searching for your post to post here! Can I copy and save for future use?

It's largely irrelevant what you both do work wise op because when he IS home he is perfectly capable of tidying up after his own grown ass self! He is perfectly capable of pulling his weight!

But you're juggling a full time job and childcare? He's taking the piss!

Not surprised you're a "sports widow" too - that crap needs nipped in the bud!

You deserve equal down time - that ISN'T spent doing chores!

You have to put your foot down you'll burn out!

Op I raised dd as a single mum - not easy, but MUCH easier than ALSO mothering a lazy, selfish man child! Honestly!

Friends of mine who had/have men like yours are/were knackered! They'd wonder at times why I wasn't as knackered and depending on the relationship I had with them, and whether I thought they were open to hearing it I'd say because I'm not running myself ragged after a lazy adult too!

And dd was raised to pull her weight too, she did chores from as soon as she was able depending on the chore, from putting toys away and clothes in hamper as a toddler until she was mid teens and capable of doing pretty much every chore - in fact at this point as she is taller than me and I'm disabled there were certain chores that became hers alone. She is now 20 and living away from home, and finding it easier than others her age/stage who weren't raised the same

Did he live alone before you moved in together ?

Nicolastuffedone · 26/06/2021 16:10

[quote DisneyBaby]@nimbuscloud Yeah I do feel like that sometimes tbh..[/quote]
You feel he’s better than no man at all?? Really? Why?

Rosesareyellow · 26/06/2021 16:14

No not all men are like this.
Another question could be - what is it about men that act like teenagers that makes some women want to have sex, kids and a home with them?

BigSandyBalls2015 · 26/06/2021 16:15

Clothes on the floor do not get washed whether they are husbands or teens.

Cushionsnotpillows · 26/06/2021 16:42

Well, I rather resent your title OP, as my teen DS puts his dirty clothes in his washing basket, brings his cups and plates down to the dishwasher regularly, puts his rubbish in the bin and has chores he does every weekend without being "nagged" (hate that word!)

That's because he's been raised to know women are equals and not domestic maids for men.

There are many men who are shit but should be left alone to stew in their own filth.

willowmelangell · 26/06/2021 16:44

@BigSandyBalls2015 yes! If it doesn't go in the basket it doesn't get in the machine, no matter who does the wash!

updownroundandround · 26/06/2021 17:04

@Graphista

Copy and paste till your hearts content !

The more women get the message that their partners and husbands are completely taking the piss, the better !
Grin

I'd put it on a bloody billboard if I could !

Graphista · 26/06/2021 17:27

@updownroundandround thank you it's joining my note in my memo app alongside:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mustbethistalltoride.com/2016/01/14/she-divorced-me-because-i-left-dishes-by-the-sink/amp/?client=safari

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strategic%20Incompetence&amp=true

m.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQgDwA0BNU

www.columbia.edu/~sss31/rainbow/wife.html

There's another thread I'm now on where the op has discovered/read some shocking misogynistic posts by her op on Reddit

What needs to happen is all the decent people in society (not just women but the men that associate with these arses) tell them to pack it in!

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