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So mixed up about whether to split.

16 replies

CertainGecko · 10/06/2021 14:32

I'm so confused about how I'm feeling about my marriage. We've had a lot of problems and I know that some of my behaviour now is unacceptable but I don't know how much so, and whether I'm 'in the wrong', as it were. This is really long but there's a lot to unpick and I don't want to drip feed

I've been married for 9 years, together for about 15. We're both women, just to clear up any pronoun confusion. DW has children who were small when we got together and I was a very hands on step mum, doing all the school runs and the majority of househould stuff while DW worked (I worked too but my hours fitted around the children better). They are adults/young adults now, working and one in college with p/t job. We now have children that I've given birth to but who are both ours. I am now a SAHM to them, and do pretty much everything around the house and all of the child-related stuff, but I also pay just under half the bills and anything my children need as I have a couple of income streams. I have about £50 spending money a month for myself after this, DW has about £1000 after her share of bills. She sees this as fair, as she works hard for it. I don't, but I'd rather this than go to work just yet as my youngest is still very small.

When my eldest was about 2 (3 years ago), I began to get very suspcious about her behaviour, she was hiding letters and generally lying a lot. I went on her phone and looked through everything I could. I found that she had hidden debt (approx 3k) which she said she'd had to take out to help one of the DSC. But I also found really explicit messages to someone online and they were planning to meet. She swore it was a blip, she had recently been diagnosed with depression, and it would never happen again.

The next year I became suspicious of how she was acting while texting a friend (we'll call her Jane as she makes a later reappearance), so again I looked, but she'd deleted all the messages except one which said 'Certain is getting suspicious so we need to stop this'. She said it was nothing and she'd only deleted the messages as Jane was having mental health issues and it was private and Jane would be upset if I knew about it. I always had suspicions there was more to it, but she promised to never contact Jane again.

Throughout all this, we've had a lot of arguments about her drinking. We both used to enjoy a drink, probably 3 nights a week, one night quite heavy and we'd take it in turns to get up and see to her children in the morning while the other got a lie in, on that one heavy night. After I had my children I EBFed so I didn't drink much at all for a long time, and I had to do all the early mornings with the baby anyway. DW started drinking more and more heavily, tied to her depression (she's on antidepressants for it) and sometimes she's tried stopping but it's never worked. Recently she was up to about 100 units a week and I told her enough was enough and that my eldest is old enough to see now when she's hungover and I'm not prepared to live like this. So she has cut right down. She said she wanted one night a week, so she does drink about 25 units in one night, and is a wreck the next day but I'm tolerating it because it's better than previously and she reckons most people have one good session a week. Also, in fairness, she did drink more than this when we got together so I accepted that then.

She's been hiding all her letters lately and we have separate private bank accounts, so I wondered if something was up. I have found her letters, and from the ones she has opened, I think she's in at least £10k debt, spread over multiple loans. She's in arrears to many of them. To find out more, I went on her phone again. I didn't find any more debt info but I found out that on a night out recently, she kissed someone. I know this because she messaged Jane about it (who she swore she'd never message again) and they were laughing and Jane said 'is she a better kisser than me?', so that confirms something happened with Jane.

You're probably reading this thinking, well what are you still with her for? Splitting up would be difficult, I'd likely never get on the property ladder again, unless I moved near to my parents, taking my eldest out of school (they're in Y1 but is a very anxious child and I think it would affect them a lot). I know that this isn't fully reason to stay, but I'm really scared to make the break and take either of these options.

But also, when she knew I'd been on her phone the first two times, she said I was at least as in the wrong as her, as it is morally wrong. If I challenge her again, either about the debt or the kissing, she'll turn it all around on me. If she's angry and gets drunk, she gets really spiteful and sends me horrible messages. She suspects I've been through her phone because - I know I'm in the wrong now - I keep looking and she's told a friend that she thinks I have and she's told them that I snoop all the time, and that I'm a bit crazy because I'm paranoid that she's lying to me, and that I accused her of getting off with Jane. The friend said that I'm abusive by invading her privacy and that I'm controlling by looking through her private letters. She also said one drunken snog doesn't count. Both the friend and Jane are encouraging her to leave me because I'm treating her like shit. She is lording it to them like I am all at fault, saying looking at my phone is a moral line she'd never cross. At no point has she mentioned the heavy drinking, or lying in bed hungover all day (she gets up at 2pm after a drinking session), or the fact that she keeps all the spare money to herself. Looking at the debts I think she must be paying massive monthly sums and that's where all the monthly spends are going now.

I don't even know what I think now. She will say I'm in the wrong for looking at her messages. I think what confuses and infuriates me the most is the very one-sided view she's giving to her friends. It incenses me. I feel like messaging them and telling them my side of it. Even though I don't know them and I should concentrate on making things right for my own life and not worrying about what they think of me, or trying to change that. This is where I think I have control issues as I'm almost more pissed off about the half truths she's giving to her friends about me, than what she's done with the debts and infidelity.

If I try to leave, it's going to blow up and be awful, because she's just going to make me be the bad guy for looking at her stuff. And I feel sick at having to make the decision between staying down here for the sake of my child's school and friends, or moving miles away, but nearer to my parents. And also, if I stay near here, I don't want to share my children. I don't want them staying with her EOW. I don't know whether to just keep quiet about it all so I don't have to deal with the EOW. My eldest would find that difficult as she hates it when DW tries to settle her in the night instead of me, so she'd hate to be with DW for a weekend without me. She's very much attached to me and not DW, because of DW's lack of attempt to bond when younger. I don't know if I could argue that overnight stays are not happening unless my eldest said she wanted to.

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Fyredraca · 10/06/2021 14:41

Leave, she's lied to you for years.
Who cares what her friends think? You know the truth and so does your wife.
I don't think she will fight for access to the kids because she is probably more interested in drinking herself into oblivion and getting her end away.
What is the debt for? Is there anything to show for it? Fancy car? Expensive gadgets?
Get your plan sorted and get out.
You sound lovely, she sounds like she doesn't appreciate you.

QuentinBunbury · 10/06/2021 14:45

You need to see a solicitor to see where you stand with the kids.
And your marriage sounds awful for you. I don't know why you would stay. She sounds financially and emotionally abusive and she lies and cheats on you Sad

Tiger2018 · 10/06/2021 15:00

oh lovely, this sounds like its ripping you apart.

Please don't feel like you need to come here and ask for permission to change your life - I know it'll be bad during the break up, I know you've thought long and hard about this, I know you just want to have a calm life for you and your family.

But I also know that you cannot carry on pretending everything is ok. When it clearly isn't. Your wife believes you aren't strong enough to call time on this. I bet one day soon you will prove her wrong. It doesn't matter now who did what to who - this is not what love feels like.

Crikeyalmighty · 10/06/2021 15:36

She’s an arse OP— one who is I think taking advantage and laughing at you. You cant carry on like this— splits are horrible for most people but so is living with someone in a sham situation. Property, schools etc— none of this worth being in a soul destroying situation

Sakurami · 10/06/2021 15:42

She sounds awful, so yes leave. But your children deserve a relationship with both their parents unless there is something wrong.

66babe · 10/06/2021 18:03

You deserve so much better and so do those children
Please put you and them first and leave ASAP
You can't help someone as deceitful and secretive as this as she is deliberately enjoying this other life behind your back
And excessive drinking ... who needs that shit in their life ?

CertainGecko · 10/06/2021 19:23

There is nothing to show for the debt. She tried to say once that she was struggling for money as I don't work, but like I say, I pay a fair share, especially given my income is much lower than hers. I suspect that some of it is on drink - at one point she must have been spending 600-800 a month on cigarette and alcohol. Then in debt, I think she might have been taking loans out to pay off other ones. She runs out of money constantly and badgers her elder children to lend her some. Two do but the middle one doesn't often and she tends to tell me, that's how I know.

I know it sounds utterly awful but sometimes it's okay. Like if I ignore what I know about the debt and cheating, and she's going easy on the drink it is like the old days. That was kind of my reasoning for getting her to cut down, that I liked the sober her. She's says to me how good it feels not being hungover all the time but she's always counting down until the next day of drinking and sometimes it's every 5 days instead of 7+and as weekly should be. And she says things to her friends about me controlling her drinking, how I'm only allowing her to drink once a week. Like I'm an old nag. So I know she's not doing it willingly.

I don't know where to begin with deciding whether to stay around here or leave. I've only got a couple of friends here, no family. But my child has her school and friends. Back in my parents' town, 150 miles away, we have no friends, though I'd probably see old school friends around, but we would have my parents. There, I'd have a hope of buying a house with what I'd get for this one. Where I am now, the sale of the house would just get eaten up by universal credit until I got a job.

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QuentinBunbury · 10/06/2021 22:33

You can't make her stop drinking. And your real friends will visit wherever you are.
IDK how old your children are but kids move schools all the time and are OK. Growing up in a family where one parent has a drink problem and is treating the other badly.
And yes, of course sometimes it's OK. You wouldn't stay with her if she was awful all the time. But it isn't scales where good and bad are balanced. It's just can you deal with the harm that bad times cause? You shouldn't have to

QuentinBunbury · 10/06/2021 22:34

Growing up in a family where one parent has a drink problem and is treating the other badly.....is more damaging than moving Blush

Sundance5 · 10/06/2021 22:52

Is being seen as a bad person by a few not worth choosing a good life for you and your children?

Roodicus21 · 10/06/2021 22:58

Does your DW have parental responsibility of your children? Is she liable for CM if you left?

CertainGecko · 11/06/2021 05:26

Yeah she does, Roodicus. But I don't think I'd push for it, I'd rather focus on getting a good deal out of the house and a clean financial break.

She once told me that I'd not get a penny out of the house, as she'd paid all the mortgage so she'd fight to keep it. Obviously I know that's not going to happen and I pointed out that I buy all the food for the family, which has always been 5-7 people in the house, so more than the mortgage and she just scoffed. Then once in a more 'reasonable' mood, she said she'd see me right with the house, even though she'd put all the money into it. So she's never going to see any financial split of the house as fair. So I'd rather focus on getting a chunk out of that.

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CertainGecko · 11/06/2021 05:26

We bought it together, from living in a rented property, by the way, so it's equally ours.

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Lozzerbmc · 11/06/2021 05:58

This is making you unhappy and its not going to get better…. Quite simply she is not worthy of you. You know you deserve better. You are not controlling and abusive. Try to forget what she says to friends which I appreciate must be very galling. She is very selfish. She is dishonest. She sounds like she may have a binge drinking issue.

Could you get a job meantime and make a future plan to split? If you got half the house (doesnt matter that she paid mortgage its half yours) could you buy something locally with a job? I suspect she wouldnt want the children EOW, I think she is too selfish.

The debts are in her name only I hope? Do you know that for sure?

Ladybug123 · 11/06/2021 06:03

Certain I would quietly get your ducks in a row. Seek legal advice, seek counselling. Your wife has been lying to you and gaslighting you for years. Depression, cheating, debt and addiction often go hand in hand and until she wants to change you and your children are just at your wife’s mercy. But it is one thing to do all this but quite another to actually paint you as the bad figure in the relationship. It really doesn’t matter what her friends think of you, what matters is the mental and emotional welfare of you and your children, prioritise that!

As for checking phones, jeez, hard not to look when every time you look there’s more info coming in which indicates you’re safety (emotional, mental, sexual health) is being compromised. Which it is!

You are worthy of much better than this, hold your head high!

SapatSea · 11/06/2021 11:47

Get out. This is not a good environment for your DC. Asking her kids for money? that's beyond the pale - does she have a secret gambling addiction? She has loads of spare cash £1000 a month, how can she be in so much debt. I'd move closer to your parents, don't stay for the sake of school especially in Yr1. If she really wants to see the DC she'll make the effort to come to see them, if not she'll fade away.

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