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I can't break free from this toxic woman -can I get help with understanding my confused emotions please

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Johnnycashesjacket · 09/06/2021 16:36

I was hoping for some help from people who have experience of toxic relationships where the person has narcissist personality or borderline personality because I am struggling a lot with how confused I am by my feelings at the moment.

I met a lady who I later found out has borderline personality which explains a lot of her odd behavior, intensity and emotional acting out. She was very lovely to me at first, and later on there was a lot of emotional blackmail and even very abusive and violent behavior along with recklessness such as drinking and self harm threats and so on, but it took a long time for this to all come out.

It was intensive love bombing at first and I was lonely and susceptible to it and she was very quick to want to spend every minute with me. It felt wonderful, she could not do enough for me, fun, listening, caring and seemed to be interested in everything I was interested in. She sort of inserted herself into my life so she was present in a lot of my activities and we would spent a lot of time talking where she would ask me endless questions and was so interested in me and this made me feel really happy and relaxed.

The relationship turned sexual after a few months although I wasn't really attracted to her in that way it sort of happened due to how I started feeling attached with her and she seemed so affectionate and caring with me and there were a few weeks of very nice feelings of being safe and cared about and some very nice sex.

After a few weeks she started being strange with me and wanting very fast commitment and getting very upset and angry if I didn't want to spend all my time with her and she would cry and tell me I was breaking her and so on which made me feel really guilty and a bit on edge so I would give in to her.

I wasn't sure I wanted a "relationship" with her I am not sure how to explain this but she kind of made out we were a couple in front of people and she'd sort of push herself onto me. Very quickly she was monitoring when I was online and having fits of rage at me demanding to know who I was talking to. She wanted to sleep at my place every night and if I said no she would plead with me or even cry asking if she could please sleep in my bed so I could settle her and I felt like she was vulnerable so it ended up taking over.

She then told me she loved me and I said I didn't think I saw her as a romantic partner long-term and suggested we go back to being close friends because I really enjoyed being with her and after that it got very messy. As she had spent so much time with me and had isolated me from really everyone else socially and emotionally, I felt very dependent on her and was seeking to go back to that nice feeling I had initially.

She didn't want that and she escalated her behavior to being really crazy and volatile to the point I was actually really scared of her and was thinking about moving house to another city to escape because I felt completely trapped. I found it very, very hard to leave her though because the relationship drama was sort of addictive.

It was cycles of her being very volatile and frightening, including putting a lot of threats on me that made me ill with anxiety attacks and depression, and then her apologising and saying she loved me so much and going back to the kind and caring version that made me feel safe. It took a really long time, and some really escalating behavior for me to break away from her completely.

Once I did, I felt really relieved at first, but I couldn't break the bond with her for several months and she hassled me to the point of it really concerning friends and family who said it was dangerous and worrying behavior. I sometimes saw that and was scared of her, and other times just saw her as vulnerable and that it was my fault for rejecting her that she was such a mess. I kept trying to look after her and friends were telling me I needed to keep away.

I eventually got complete separation from her after one really scary incident when I realised any contact with her was risky to both of us, and my doctor explained to me that she was not well and was not my friend and didn't love me and I made a big effort to detach. After that it was such a strange feeling because even though her actions were really frightening to me I felt the most intense withdrawal from her. I felt lost without her completely and started to wonder if I loved her and wanted her back.

I am starting to feel better now, as the intense withdrawal has faded a lot but my mind is stuck on missing that nice feeling at the beginning when she was so nice to me and we felt so connected. I have never felt connected like that so intensely and I miss the feeling a lot. I have spent time wondering if maybe I had committed to her, we would have been happy together and my friends tell me I am mad.

I do remember how awful some of the incidents were, and I'm aware she was using emotional manipulation and threats and controlling actions to me and I don't want those things, but I am struggling to detach to the intensity of how it felt when she was nice to me. Friends and family say I am acting very out of character by glossing over her terrible actions and how horrible she was to me.

I don't feel I am in love with her, but feel this sense of loss. Has anyone experienced anything like this? I find it hard to see her in a bad light although it has been pointed out to me that she is my abuser I don't know why I can't see this. I still see her intermittently and we have casual chats. She has moved on with someone else and I hope she is happy but also feel a sense of loss about that. Would no contact make this easier?

OP posts:
Dervel · 09/06/2021 17:06

Yes no contact is absolutely appropriate here.

“I was lonely”

Says it all to me really. What happens is that love bombing banished (at least for a time), that sense of loneliness and perhaps any self-esteem issues you might have accumulated. This is precisely how abusers get their hooks into you. It’s like the first hit is free then you have to pay for the others with tolerating/minimising their abusive behaviour.

Do the work on yourself, figure out how you ended up so lonely, and this won’t happen again. I’d even recommend therapy if you can. You weren’t a fool, you aren’t stupid and you didn’t “deserve” it. In a sense you made a perfectly rational decision as being with an abuser was less painful than wrestling with the loneliness/ self esteem issues. You picked the less painful of two possible options.

This sort of thing really could happen to anyone. No matter who you are life can leave you feeling low. Target and identify what knocked you and work your way through it! I wish you all the best.

Johnnycashesjacket · 09/06/2021 17:15

Thank you. I did have some issues but I think this relationship magnified them tenfold so I am feeling quite lost as I try and find my way out of this.

I just struggle with so many confusing feelings.

Why do I feel such a deep sense of withdrawal from someone I was desperate to get away from?

Why do I struggle to see her as abusive and instead believe it was my fault / my rejection that made her go crazy?

Why do I come away from every conversation with her taking on her version of events and have lost all trust in my own judgement?

Why does the thought of no contact with her make me feel so sad?

Why do I magnify the good times and minimise how truly terrible the bad times were?

Why does the "love" she gave me feel so intense in comparison to real, healthy love that has been given to me? Why do I feel worried I will never have that again?

Why if I was not in love with her and don't want a future with her, do I find it so hard to get on with my life?

Why am I stuck in this loop of believing we can be friends again and forget the times she hit me / threatened me / smashed my car window or broke into my computer and so on?

Why did I not miss her for months, but then when she moved on /stopped harassing me did I feel deep grief?

I am aware I am not rational and it's so confusing for me to go through. I know friends and family and trying to help me and I know I am not being sensible but I just keep looping back to how kind she was to me and how nice it felt.

OP posts:
Dervel · 09/06/2021 17:32

Because her presence in your life was a talisman against all the demons you had prior to meeting her. To an extent fixating upon her now STILL fulfils that role.

You have to do some real deep diving here. I don’t think you are irrational. Where you are right now is eminently understandable. I have to take care of something, but I’ll be back if you want to continue this further.

justhadtopost · 09/06/2021 17:49

@Dervel I would be interested on hearing more about your thoughts on this as I have experienced something similar.

LonginesPrime · 09/06/2021 17:52

Why do I feel such a deep sense of withdrawal from someone I was desperate to get away from?

Because she isolated you from everyone else in your life and made you feel dependent on her and her alone. You had a very intense relationship and it's jarring to go from everything to nothing overnight.

Why do I struggle to see her as abusive and instead believe it was my fault / my rejection that made her go crazy?

Gaslighting. She's groomed you to view her as the victim and to believe that you're responsible for her behaviour. She is responsible for her own behaviour and she has normalised her lack of boundaries to the point where you feel responsible for her. It's false - she's groomed you.

Why do I come away from every conversation with her taking on her version of events and have lost all trust in my own judgement?

Again, gaslighting.

Why does the thought of no contact with her make me feel so sad?

Because you were likely rewarded intensely for giving her the attention and praise that she wanted. Plus, given that you spent less time with others and as your own person, it's easy to feel that you have nothing - and even that you are nothing - without them.

Why do I magnify the good times and minimise how truly terrible the bad times were?

Because that's how she framed things and you were completely in her control. It's hard to be objective when you're being groomed so intensely.

Why does the "love" she gave me feel so intense in comparison to real, healthy love that has been given to me? Why do I feel worried I will never have that again?

Because it wasn't real. It was lovebombing - a manipulation technique that abusers use. That's not real love, and it's not worth having the good bits for the terrible bits of that kind of deeply unhealthy relationship.

Why if I was not in love with her and don't want a future with her, do I find it so hard to get on with my life?

Because you were in an abusive relationship and you gave up many other aspects of your life to make this person happy - the person that you had to pretend to be to be with her is hard to sustain when she's not around any more, and it will take time and effort to find yourself again after such a fucked up relationship. You're not going to feel properly "you" again for a while as it takes time to recover from this kind of abuse. It's not possible to simply bounce back from it (although it's pretty easy to bounce straight into a similar relationship if you don't stop and reflect!).

Why am I stuck in this loop of believing we can be friends again and forget the times she hit me / threatened me / smashed my car window or broke into my computer and so on?

Because it's scary being free when one is so used to having the structure of a controlling relationship. You're probably so used to inadvertently feeding off of her approval that the notion that she doesn't approve of you now is painful and hard to face up to, given that your whole life and your safety depended on gaining her approval previously.

Why did I not miss her for months, but then when she moved on /stopped harassing me did I feel deep grief?

Because you depended on her attention too, and likely felt more control over the situation when you had the option of saying 'ok then, let's give this another go'. Whereas now she's moved on, all that approval you were bending over backwards to get from her previously is gone. By her moving on, it's very easy to imagine that she did want you and now she doesn't want you any more. And that instinct she's instilled in you to do absolutely everything you can to please her kicks back in as she's groomed you to be ultra concerned about her happiness and of what she thinks of you (to your own detriment) and to feel that your whole identity depends on her approval.

The only reason it feels like you've lost a part of yourself is because she took so much from you and now she's walking away. But you can't get your true sense of self back from her - that can only come from building your life up again without her.

Go no contact, educate yourself on abusive relationships so you can understand what happened and recognise the warning signs, and get some help with learning to love yourself so you don't need to rely on unhealthy relationships going forward.

This takes years of work, but it's 100% worth it in the end. Trust me - you'll look back in a year or two and wonder WTF you were thinking even considering wanting a relationship like this in your life.

Ruminating2020 · 09/06/2021 18:00

You are trauma bonded to this person OP which is why you struggle to see her as abusive and long for company.

Stay no contact, things are making more sense to you now because you are out of the fog but I suggest you get counselling for this to help you answer the many questions you have in your post.

BingBongToTheMoon · 09/06/2021 18:09

Stockholm Syndrome.

MerryDecembermas · 09/06/2021 18:15

I can relate to your descriptions OP. For me it was the intensity and the laser focus that I was grieving for. Being the absolute centre of someone else's world. Feeling so important to that person even though they were abusive. Threatening suicide if I wouldn't see them, because they couldn't live without me. I knew it was wrong of them to blackmail me but it was also a huge rush to feel like I was so important to someone.

Years later I know intellectually that one of the signs it wasn't real, was the intensity of it all. But a part of me still believes it was. I am gentle and forgiving of that part of myself now. I don't hate myself or blame myself anymore. I feel sorry for past me who fell for it all and went through the grieving process. I'm just so glad I got out and from that experience can recognise the warning signs much sooner and make sure to stay away from those kinds of people.

You can heal OP and move on from this as a stronger and happier person even if it seems impossible now. Be gentle with yourself.

Dervel · 11/06/2021 15:06

@Johnnycashesjacket and @justhadtopost sorry it took awhile to get back, though I have kept an eye on the thread and there is some excellent insights especially from @LonginesPrime.

I am by no means a psychology professional, but I have noticed the worst relationships I have been in have occurred when I have been at a low ebb myself. That’s not to say you can’t find true love when you are going through a rough time, just bear in mind that’s when you are most susceptible to people who may use/abuse you.

I also wanted to articulate that it’s all to easy to think of yourself as stupid/irrational. When in truth nothing could be further from the truth. Anyone can end up in a situation like this, scarily far easier than I think we realise. All we are guilty of in these moments is being human.

I think the OP is fully justified in blocking/disconnecting entirely, and being a little kinder on themselves. As these emotional knocks can lead to spirals where one or two bad relationships upon leading to their own scars leave one vulnerable to the same or potentially even worse in the future. It’s good to take the reigns as soon as possible and stop the cycle, at the earliest opportunity.

The golden concepts here are self-care and yes even therapy. It’s very easy to fall into co-dependent patterns when we feel wretched and not only is that bad for us as individuals it’s also terrible for the relationships themselves. We may actually meet someone pretty spectacular (instead of abusive), and push them away with that. The healthiest way to be is co-independent, that is as two healthy happy independent and resilient people. Hope some of this helps!

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