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NeedSomewhereToProcessThis · 16/05/2021 11:48

Before I start, I really am just looking for somewhere to process this. Please be kind as its a lifetime of shit that has got me here.

I have aspergers (diagnosed). I was also emotionally and physically abused throughout childhood and adolescence mainly because I wasn't diagnosed until adulthood and my parents spent many years trying to 'correct' me through punishment, shame and humiliation. I'm not a bad person. I just don't process and function like most people because of the impact of these two factors.

I have posted before but I'm in a much better place now and have far greater clarity and understanding.

One of the things I was told was that no one would ever love me. This was for everything from my physical appearance to just the way I was. And I believed it until a couple of years ago.

I've recently completed a programme of therapy (as has been suggested to me irl and also on here). It's been brilliant. Obviously, I can't change the aspergers but it's helped massively in terms of how I see myself etc. I'm far calmer, better at self regulating, greater understanding of myself.

Where I am now is here...

I no longer believe that I am unlovable but I think it's unlikely to ever happen now. And it's less of an issue to me now as a result of therapy.

I have also accepted that I am unable to have a standard relationship in the way that other people do. Partly because of the way I am and partly because of the way I have become. I have no experience of a kind and loving relationship and no experience of being loved by a partner.

But, like many other people, I have a need for companionship, sex, intimacy, closeness, etc.

For the past 4 months, I have been in a fwb situation with a close friend of mine. On many levels, I suppose it looks like a relationship - mutual support; we care about each other; we spend time together going for days out etc. Except that it isn't. He isn't in love with me and never has been (we've known each other for a few years and been close friends for the past two). And i am not in love with him although we care about each other a lot. He is emotionally distant and has been single for a long time. I don't think he's any more capable of a relationship than I am really. We've talked about it. He is attracted to me and cares about me but he doesn't want more than that.

We haven't agreed to be exclusive but I know he isn't seeing anyone else. I have no idea if he's interested in or talking to other women but that doesn't matter because we're not in a relationship.

I have a second fwb. Again I've known him.for a few years but the fwb is a recent development. I've been clear with him that I'm not looking for a relationship. But what I get from him is the 'nice' stuff. The romance and the flirting, the holding hands and the sweet things that I've always seen in other relationships but never had myself.

Between these two men, I have all my relationship needs/desires covered without actually being in a relationship. Which means I have all of the nice stuff and the good bits but none of the stress and neither of them can hurt me because I have no feelings of love for them and they don't for me. One is distant emotionally; the other is distant in years.

But I know that this isn't standard. I know a lot of people won't understand. I know people will tell me I won't meet someone who could love me while I'm wasting my time. I know people will tell me I will get hurt. I won't because there is no commitment and no expectation.

If either of them met and fell in love with someone, I'd wish them well. I'd hope we could still be friends (as we were before the benefits) but I would accept it if they didn't feel it was appropriate. I have no thoughts that it could be me who met someone and fell in love because it doesn't happen.

Not really asking a question. I'm just looking for somewhere to process.

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Lozzerbmc · 16/05/2021 16:25

I’m sorry to hear about your abusive childhood that is utterly awful. You are lovable, we are all different but they say there is someone for everyone.

Do you feel you have to settle with only fwb situations and not worthy of anything more?

NeedSomewhereToProcessThis · 16/05/2021 19:20

Thank you for replying.

I just don't really know how to do anything more I don't think.

Yes, I think there is part of me that thinks I'm not worthy of more but no one has ever been interested in anything more with me. Not without a lot of restrictions and expectations that I'm not prepared to go along with.

I find sex difficult in relationships. I find emotion etc difficult. It's just easier, I think.

I would want a relationship to be monogamous but feel I couldn't expect someone to make that sort of commitment. I need them to know I don't have feelings for them. Men are more honest when they know you don't have feelings in my experience.

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NeedSomewhereToProcessThis · 16/05/2021 20:01

Just been thinking about this again.

The older (emotionally distant) of my fwbs will put his arm around me in bed after sex but here's no closeness. The younger one (disturbing years) holds me close. We've fallen asleep like that. He stopped the night unintentionally the other night and i cried when I woke up because he was close behind me with his arms around me. He was holding me really tight and I've never experienced that before but it felt so nice.

It would be lovely to have a relationship where I had that but I never have.

We laugh, kiss and have lots of eye contactndueing sex.

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ItsNotLoveActually · 16/05/2021 20:13

Sorry to hear about the years of abuse and so glad to hear you've had therapy. So now you have 2 fwb guys - go you! There is nothing wrong with that. From what I've read on MN, a lot of woman are happy with that type of situation. Heck, you might even add another fwb or drop them or they drop you. Your feelings might change over time and you may realise you are capable of love. As long as you are happy and staying in control, that's the most important factor.

NeedSomewhereToProcessThis · 16/05/2021 21:05

Ha yes, when you put it like that.

I don't have enough male friends to replace them when they end!

There is the possibility that either or both of them might meet someone they fall in love with or want to be with. I've talked about it with the younger one. I know he'll want to settle down and have a family one day. The older one, I don't know. He won't talk about it

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Lozzerbmc · 16/05/2021 21:16

I think you shouldnt assume your younger fwb doesnt want more. The main thing is you are happy with the situation for now. You might meet someone else you feel very differently about or your feelings might change! Dont think about what they may do/want, think about you Flowers

KingdomScrolls · 16/05/2021 21:24

Are you sure your younger Fwb isn't only saying he isn't interested in more because you made it clear you weren't? FWB rarely stay that way they either progress into something more or they end because one person either wants more than the other or has different expectations. DH and I were friends, then FWB but not seeing any other people, then I got invited to a wedding with him as a plus one and we realised that actually other than a label we'd been a couple for a while and that's how everyone else saw us anyway. We'd both come out of prior LTR and were a bit hesitant to dive into something else and the whole what if it ruins the friendship stuff, but the intimacy and romance was there from the outset.

NeedSomewhereToProcessThis · 16/05/2021 21:29

@Lozzerbmc

I think you shouldnt assume your younger fwb doesnt want more. The main thing is you are happy with the situation for now. You might meet someone else you feel very differently about or your feelings might change! Dont think about what they may do/want, think about you Flowers
The younger fwb doesn't want more. Not with me anyway. I think at some point he will want to settle down and have children. He isn't sure.

I sometimes think I want a relationship but I also know I can't do it. I'm in my mid/late 40s. I've never even come close to being loved and I just can't imagine it happening now. No one wants me for a relationship. They never have, which used to really upset me, but it doesn't anymore. I've just never really mattered to anyone.

But I am content with what I have now.

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NeedSomewhereToProcessThis · 16/05/2021 21:36

@KingdomScrolls

Are you sure your younger Fwb isn't only saying he isn't interested in more because you made it clear you weren't? FWB rarely stay that way they either progress into something more or they end because one person either wants more than the other or has different expectations. DH and I were friends, then FWB but not seeing any other people, then I got invited to a wedding with him as a plus one and we realised that actually other than a label we'd been a couple for a while and that's how everyone else saw us anyway. We'd both come out of prior LTR and were a bit hesitant to dive into something else and the whole what if it ruins the friendship stuff, but the intimacy and romance was there from the outset.
We had a chat about it and we decided that we'd carry on as we are until he meets someone more age appropriate who he thinks he might want real relationship and a family with.

Unless, of course, he goes off me in the meantime!

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