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Please may I have a handhold- ending a horrible relationship

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CandyTuft2021 · 10/05/2021 11:27

Last night my partner and I decided to separate. He intends to contact an estate agent today to engage them to sell the house we own 50/50. We have an 8 month old DD. I'm the higher earner and my back to work plan would leave us on even salaries. We've never pooled our money, have own savings and split bills.
Background, we have been together 6 years. The relationship was difficult for the first 2 years due to his 'recreational' drug use and my mental health issues. I have had anxiety, depression and at times OCD from childhood due to trauma in my early years. At the time I did behave quite unreasonably and was difficult to be around, my partner wasn't very supportive which I put down to his inability to express or deal with emotions. He blamed me for all our problems and I was so low that I took that all on despite his drug use having a huge impact on our relationship too. We then moved to a new area, I sought help for my issues and he stopped taking drugs, things were good, we got along, we both matured and we had DD. Whilst I was pregnant old issues came creeping back in. I had a difficult pregnancy, was very emotional, and my partner wasn't supportive. Example being he refused to support me emotionally or physically on the day I had a mid pregnancy procedure because I had snapped at him the previous day. He will not tolerate any sort of snappiness under any circumstances and will then sulk indefinitely. He doesn't understand that sometimes people get stressed and snap, he takes it very personally despite me always apologising after. We had good and bad bits when baby was born, but as time has worn on his behaviour has got worse and worse. He has no respect for me, if we disagree he will shout at me that I'm a fucking cunt, useless piece of shit etc. He recently has just stopped doing anything around the house or with DD unless I ask him, then he won't do it straight away or will forget because he's playing on his phone (this is almost a permanent feature in his hand). When I ask again or show frustration with him, or try to talk to him about how he's making me feel he shouts at me, tells me I'm a fucking boring nag then uses the row to conveniently not do what I need. He doesnt know where anything is in the house, he will ask me where, say, the kitchen roll is when it's right in front of him, then when I tell him I'm sick of having to tell him where things are, he will have a go at me and say its easy enough for me to just tell him. He refuses to recognise the mental load he puts on me. He frequently tells me I'm too needy if I bring up the lack of interest or affection in our relationship. He rejects my feelings if I express them, and will instantly deflect by attacking me with some issue he has with me. Anything he perceives as a criticism of him he will shout at me. I try really hard to phrase things so it doesn't come across like criticism but obviously that doesn't work because the issue is him. He will never apologise for anything. If we have a row I will try to make up and apologise for my part, he will refuse to apologise and tell me he behaved like that because of me. He takes no responsibility for his own behaviour. I don't know if he genuinely believes I'm somehow in charge of his behaviour or if he just wants to deflect because he can't bear to confront how he's being. He doesn't shout in front of DD but will call me names and swear and I know its only a matter of time before she's taking this in.
I'm not sure what I'm asking here. Its taken me a long time to recognise this is abuse and because he's so insistent he wouldn't be like that if I didn't do the things I do, I still feel guilty and responsible for us breaking up, but on the other hand I feel so relieved at the prospect of not having to live like this anymore. My quality of life in the evening and weekends is crap-if we argue he will put the football on and tell me to fuck off upstairs and I don't really have an option. I'm starting to feel really sick and shaky when I know I need to ask him something because of the possibility it'll end in being shouted at. I do stand up for myself because I know whats going on isn't right but its literally impossible to reason with him, he just responds with verbal abuse. I feel like this is why it always ends in an argument and if I just did what he wanted/left him alone then we wouldn't argue. Part of me wants to convince him to stay together because I'm scared of the upheaval, and we have had really good periods where he's seemed to acknowledge he needs to change, but I know its not good for DD, or either of us. I know I sound really weak, and I suppose I'm just hoping for some kind posters to bolster me up a bit to actually go through with the split. I'm scared you're all going to tell me I'm the issue as well, I feel so downtrodden and awful but I really need some support. I've got good friends IRL who will always support me but they think leaving is just easy to do and my mum whilst lovely and caring tends to encourage me not to 'wind him up' which makes me question if its me even more.

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OhCobblers · 10/05/2021 15:55

You do not want to stay with this utter arsehole. What a hideous specimen he is.
You've decided to split so crack on with it. It's the best thing that could happen to you.

OhCobblers · 10/05/2021 15:56

Oh and your mum is wrong too!!

osbertthesyrianhamster · 10/05/2021 15:59

Your mum is wrong. Hang in there!

BrioLover · 10/05/2021 16:05

Imagine when you can open the door to your home and not wonder what kind of mood he's in? Or when you can just relax on an evening or run a bath or decide on what you're having for dinner or what you're doing at the weekend without him shouting at you... I expect it will be like a weight has lifted from your home and life.

You're so right about your DD picking up on an atmosphere and the type of language he uses. Perhaps not the words, but the intonation and purpose of those words.

It's the right thing!! Hang in there Smile

Hullish · 10/05/2021 16:07

It’s not your fault and you are absolutely doing the best thing for you and your daughter.

He won’t change, and you’ll just be in this position again when she’s a little older and noticing a little more.

You can do this OP, a happier life is waiting x

TurquoiseDragon · 10/05/2021 16:12

Your mum is wrong, she's effectively victim blaming. Telling you not to wind him up is saying you are the problem, when it's very much him.

LTB, your DD will benefit as much as you will.

Opentooffers · 10/05/2021 16:12

Sounds like he's checked out anyway - extended phone use, blaming you for behaving like crap to you, showing no affection ( classic deflection).
He's quick to get in with the house sell arrangements. I think you'll find he's got his eye on someone at the very least. Whoever she is, sounds like they would be doing you a favour by taking him off your hands.
Sort out the split, have a happier live without him, focus on your DD rather than dating, because, tbh if you are willing to stay in a relationship that starts out as 2 years of crap, then you are at risk of picking a totally wrong one for a stepDad in future until you taken a good while to process and heal.

CandyTuft2021 · 10/05/2021 16:14

Thanks everyone, @Opentooffers I agree, I've got awful taste in men and crap boundaries but no more!

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SirVixofVixHall · 10/05/2021 16:18

You will feel like a weight has lifted off you OP, he is horrible !

Tambora · 10/05/2021 16:19

Have you actually told your mum, word-for-word with swearing included, the despicable things he says to you?

Because if you have, and she still thinks you need to stop winding him up, it makes me wonder what your parents' relationship is really like behind closed doors.

CandyTuft2021 · 10/05/2021 16:22

Yes I have, she's visibly uncomfortable when I tell her and says things like why can't he just behave, and when I say I don't know what's wrong with him she suggests trying not to do the things that apparently trigger it. My dad died of alcohol poisoning when I was 1 so I've no idea really what their relationship was like!

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redastherose · 10/05/2021 16:24

He's a dick and you are not to blame. No one wants to live with someone who wants you to do everything and blames you for asking anything of them.

You are lucky that you have no shared finances and you still have a job which you will go back to after maternity leave.

You will be much better off without him and so will your DD, even being so little the effect of having a parent like him causing stress to her mum will become ever more of an issue. Even babies know angry voices even if they don't know the words.

Make a practical plan, what can you afford to buy or rent, would it benefit you to relocate nearer to your work/parents/friends etc. Look up if you are going to be entitled to any benefits (single persons council tax/additional tax allowances/etc). Work out what Child Maintenance you will be entitled to claim from him. If he is likely to be a dick about paying then claim directly from the start.

You've got this, just remember you will be better off when you no longer have to walk on eggshells around him and can enjoy your evenings and weekends without stress.

CandyTuft2021 · 10/05/2021 16:28

I don't think he would leave us short, clichéd but he's not a bad dad, in his direct behaviour towards DD anyway. He just seems to absolutely hate me. He apparently hates how opinionated I am (I'm very passionate about my job, politics etc) and feels I should be less so. To psychoanalyse, his dad is very strident rude---- and his mum wouldn't say boo to a goose so I expect that's where he got his ideas about women from .

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Kelly345 · 10/05/2021 16:28

Sounds like the relationship was a complete mess from day one. And then bringing a child into that dysfunction...?

Tambora · 10/05/2021 16:56

((Handhold)) - here it is.

You are right to want to end this relationship, he is a repulsive character.

wewereliars · 10/05/2021 17:06

OP you've got yourself into a relationship with an abusive twat, so of course you are not always on your best behaviour. Honestly, just get out of it, your daughter is very young and it will only get harder the older she gets.

MadMadMadamMim · 10/05/2021 17:12

This is a really positive step. He sounds awful, and your life will be so much better and less stressful when you aren't sharing a home with someone abusive.

You are also setting your DD a good example. Ignore your mother, and well done.

Noshowlomo · 10/05/2021 17:20

Do you want to move? Would you rather stay there with your baby and he can sod off? He can't make you sell the house if it is your childs home (or if he can I am sure it would be difficult for him).

CandyTuft2021 · 10/05/2021 17:24

Neither of us can afford our house independently, in fact I'll struggle to rent in our area so will look at moving away eventually, the plan is to stay at my mums initially then work out what to do once I'm back earning. Obviously I'd prefer him to move out whilst the house sells but he won't even entertain the idea.

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PerseverancePays · 10/05/2021 17:25

Read ‘ why does he do that?’ It will give you all the bolstering you need every time you have a wobble. He is abusing you plain and simple. You don’t want that for your daughter do you? Of course not. Order the book, get out and get some counselling to improve your self esteem.
Handhold too 🌺

bringbacksideburns · 10/05/2021 17:48

You're a new mother and your partner calls you a fucking useless cunt?

I've never been around any man who has called me a cunt but it horrifies me that for some its such a normalised part of their life that they accept it. You are right to leave. It shouldn't have to be you but as he isn't budging it will have to be.

Don't ever doubt or second guess yourself OP - he is abusive and you need to get away.

He's jealous. You earn more than him and you're a better parent.
He has no boundaries on what a healthy relationship is and if your mum has never had a proper relationship since your dad then neither does she. But you can stay with her in the meantime and tell her your mind's made up and you can't raise your child in this toxic atmosphere.

I would pack tonight and go. Save any further arguments. And get a well recommended solicitor and talk to your friends.

You will be okay. He on the other hand will find it a struggle but that's of his own making .

Yasyasyasyasyasyas · 10/05/2021 17:58

Firstly I am so sorry this has happened. There is nothing wrong with you and this isn't how a 'normal' loving relationship works. You are not the problem and you are 100% right to be leaving him, you won't regret it.

I'm disgusted at your Mums comments that support him and not you

wewereliars · 10/05/2021 18:18

Kelly345 very helpful mind you don't vertigo up there on the high ground. FFS

Mumoftwo1990 · 10/05/2021 19:51

@CandyTuft2021

Last night my partner and I decided to separate. He intends to contact an estate agent today to engage them to sell the house we own 50/50. We have an 8 month old DD. I'm the higher earner and my back to work plan would leave us on even salaries. We've never pooled our money, have own savings and split bills. Background, we have been together 6 years. The relationship was difficult for the first 2 years due to his 'recreational' drug use and my mental health issues. I have had anxiety, depression and at times OCD from childhood due to trauma in my early years. At the time I did behave quite unreasonably and was difficult to be around, my partner wasn't very supportive which I put down to his inability to express or deal with emotions. He blamed me for all our problems and I was so low that I took that all on despite his drug use having a huge impact on our relationship too. We then moved to a new area, I sought help for my issues and he stopped taking drugs, things were good, we got along, we both matured and we had DD. Whilst I was pregnant old issues came creeping back in. I had a difficult pregnancy, was very emotional, and my partner wasn't supportive. Example being he refused to support me emotionally or physically on the day I had a mid pregnancy procedure because I had snapped at him the previous day. He will not tolerate any sort of snappiness under any circumstances and will then sulk indefinitely. He doesn't understand that sometimes people get stressed and snap, he takes it very personally despite me always apologising after. We had good and bad bits when baby was born, but as time has worn on his behaviour has got worse and worse. He has no respect for me, if we disagree he will shout at me that I'm a fucking cunt, useless piece of shit etc. He recently has just stopped doing anything around the house or with DD unless I ask him, then he won't do it straight away or will forget because he's playing on his phone (this is almost a permanent feature in his hand). When I ask again or show frustration with him, or try to talk to him about how he's making me feel he shouts at me, tells me I'm a fucking boring nag then uses the row to conveniently not do what I need. He doesnt know where anything is in the house, he will ask me where, say, the kitchen roll is when it's right in front of him, then when I tell him I'm sick of having to tell him where things are, he will have a go at me and say its easy enough for me to just tell him. He refuses to recognise the mental load he puts on me. He frequently tells me I'm too needy if I bring up the lack of interest or affection in our relationship. He rejects my feelings if I express them, and will instantly deflect by attacking me with some issue he has with me. Anything he perceives as a criticism of him he will shout at me. I try really hard to phrase things so it doesn't come across like criticism but obviously that doesn't work because the issue is him. He will never apologise for anything. If we have a row I will try to make up and apologise for my part, he will refuse to apologise and tell me he behaved like that because of me. He takes no responsibility for his own behaviour. I don't know if he genuinely believes I'm somehow in charge of his behaviour or if he just wants to deflect because he can't bear to confront how he's being. He doesn't shout in front of DD but will call me names and swear and I know its only a matter of time before she's taking this in. I'm not sure what I'm asking here. Its taken me a long time to recognise this is abuse and because he's so insistent he wouldn't be like that if I didn't do the things I do, I still feel guilty and responsible for us breaking up, but on the other hand I feel so relieved at the prospect of not having to live like this anymore. My quality of life in the evening and weekends is crap-if we argue he will put the football on and tell me to fuck off upstairs and I don't really have an option. I'm starting to feel really sick and shaky when I know I need to ask him something because of the possibility it'll end in being shouted at. I do stand up for myself because I know whats going on isn't right but its literally impossible to reason with him, he just responds with verbal abuse. I feel like this is why it always ends in an argument and if I just did what he wanted/left him alone then we wouldn't argue. Part of me wants to convince him to stay together because I'm scared of the upheaval, and we have had really good periods where he's seemed to acknowledge he needs to change, but I know its not good for DD, or either of us. I know I sound really weak, and I suppose I'm just hoping for some kind posters to bolster me up a bit to actually go through with the split. I'm scared you're all going to tell me I'm the issue as well, I feel so downtrodden and awful but I really need some support. I've got good friends IRL who will always support me but they think leaving is just easy to do and my mum whilst lovely and caring tends to encourage me not to 'wind him up' which makes me question if its me even more.
It must be so scary, but kids pick up on things and I remember as a kid being able to cage my mums mood based on a look or how she would come up the stairs and it scared me never knowing how my evenings would go and I dreaded weekends so I would beg to go to my grandparents
CandyTuft2021 · 10/05/2021 19:55

@Mumoftwo1990 really sorry you had those experiences Flowers

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