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Distressed - criticism of DH's weekend drinking is driving him away?

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BigJuicyPlum · 09/05/2021 15:26

Hi all. My DH is a hard-working and loving spouse. However, when he goes out, there's no limit to the amount of alcohol he can drink. He's never agressive physically or verbally, just goofy, and he mostly mumbles stuff and bumps into furniture, but he seems happy when he's drunk.
During the week he will drink 1-3 cans of beer on Thursday, but the hard binging takes place when he goes out on Fridays or Saturdays with his buddies 99% of the time (the remaining 1% takes place at home on a day when he can't handle his emotions, but I won't get into that). Some of his buddies drink as much as him and others never seem to lose control, even though all of them encourage the drinking/ partying thing. I want him to have fun and enjoy time with his friends but I have repeatedly asked him to cut down on the booze a little. I don't care if he comes back at 6 am, just not completely wasted please. I want to see some CONTROL over the amount of alcohol ingested, but it never happens.
He doesn't take this kind of criticism well. Looking back, I think my approach wasn't the best probably. It hurt to see him not moving a finger to change his behaviour and I was bitter and cold. He thinks I don't accept him the way he is. In all truth, when we met many years ago, this was our lifestyle for a long time. We would go out and drink every weekend—but I have changed with time. We had an alcoholic in the family and the dangers of alcohol abuse were very present in my upbringing, where as his family never cared much about making him aware of this.

We're also planning to have a baby and I want us to be role models for him or her. I don't want the child to think that it is ok to binge drink. I have explained all of this and also that I think it is unhealthy for him and that I can't encourage self-destructive behaviour because I love him very much. He listened to me but nothing has changed. I am not sure how this will make me feel once the baby is here.

On top of everything, he has been struggling with depression during the past 2-3 years and I think it partially has to do with him not feeling accepted by me and feeling lonely and smothered in our relationship. This is not a great atmosphere for improvement. I think our values are not aligned anymore. He perceives me as demanding and controlling and feels like he's always trying to please me. Apparently, he feels like he has sacrificed a lot for our marriage, but I don't understand why these things feel like a sacrifice to him. He should be happy to be taking these steps with me, shouldn't he? It did not feel like a sacrifice for me to move somewhere where we could be together, for example. I also had a lot more free time to focus on myself and pursue my interests when I was single, but I don't even think about that now. I think if he was single he would be living a more carefree life, somewhat bohemian (he's an amateur artist), partying and drinking and meeting people all the time, and he feels like he's missing out because marriage isn't giving him what he expected, so the sacrifice feels worthless. That kind of lifestyle is behind me now. I want to have fun and evolve and travel and pursue my interests, but from a more healthy perspective I think. He also says that he accepts me the way I am, so why can't I return the favour?

I would like to be able to express my concerns and get him to understand my point of view without withdrawing love as this only worsens the situation and does not reflect the way I feel about him—I don't want to hurt him or make him feel rejected. In case he's unwilling to change, I want to learn to be at peace with his choices. Can anyone relate? Am I being controlling? Why do his drinking habits affect me so much? Any advice on how to bridge this gap between us? Any communtiation tips?

OP posts:
CluelessnotShoeless · 10/05/2021 07:07

I read this and thought your DH may be an alcoholic. He doesn’t have an off button once he starts drinking at the weekend. It would be interesting to know if his drinking buddies get as pissed as he does. But really the main indication is that he’s prioritising his drinking over you. Plus you say he has depression and it sounds like he’s using alcohol to self medicate.

If he is an alcoholic then please get out. My experience is that they’re troubled dysfunctional people, even when sober, and not a good bet.

2020Diary · 10/05/2021 08:07

My DD married someone like this. They both thought that having a child would change his ways. He wanted to be the best father he could. He made a token effort to change but things soon deteriorated, the responsibility of parenthood made his depression/drinking worse. He began drinking heavily in the house when he was looking after their DC. It all ended when he physically attacked my DD and their DC.

This was the outcome when he had agreed he needed to change .
I echo PP - don't have a child with this man unless you are prepared to be a single mum fighting to protect your DC from a drunken father. 💐

MrsWooster · 10/05/2021 08:09

You are still seeing yourself as the problem here. How ‘controlling’ and ‘nagging’... he’s entitled to “love his best life” but the problem is that his best life is being a ‘lad’ and drinking like a teenager whereas your “best life” is being an adult and becoming a parent. Incompatible doesn’t even begin to describe it...

AnyFucker · 10/05/2021 08:15

You are still under the impression that if you can just make him understand using a magic combination of words then all will be well

The thing is, he does understand. He is either 1) making a voluntary choice to put alcohol first or 2) at the point where it is no longer voluntary

Both of those things are incompatible with a healthy relationship suitable for bringing children into.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/05/2021 08:18

His primary relationship is with drink, its not with you and infact has never been with you either.

How does he actually show you that he wants to have a future with you in more obvious ways?. He does not really, you'd just like to believe that he does. Why do you think he would at all become a loving father; just because you want that of him does not mean that it will happen.

You are becoming increasingly codependent within this unhealthy relationship. He will NEVER want to acknowledge your concerns because he is an alcoholic. He regards you as spoiling his fun and to him alcohol comes first. Even during lockdowns he found a good excuse to drink and party; his thoughts primarily centre around drink and where the next drink is going to come from. Alcohol too acts as a depressant and he is self medicating with alcohol.

Do not further neglect your own needs and expectations here; you really do not want to be in this self same position or worse in say 12 months time. Because you will be particularly if you are fool enough to have a child by him.

Elderflower14 · 10/05/2021 08:22

Don't have a baby with this man. He won't change and you will end up doing all the childcare...

Conkergame · 10/05/2021 08:23

OP from an outsider’s perspective it’s clear as day that he’s not interested in a stable family life or the responsibilities of being a parent. He just wants to drink and party.

He’s showing you very clearly who he is but you’re refusing to believe him. You won’t be able to change him - this is who he is.

If you want “good father” material I’m afraid you’re going to have to end this relationship and move on. You simply want different things. I know it’s incredibly difficult and painful because you love him. But it’s just the reality of the situation.

Melitza · 10/05/2021 08:41

He's wearing beer glasses and you're wearing rose tinted spectacles.
Don't have a dc with this name.
He will not change because he thinks having fun is getting drunk with his mates.
He's not father material.

MadamBatty · 10/05/2021 09:04

You’ve become his nagging Mammy destroying his fun. He occasionally appeases you but you’re ‘making’ him be good.

There is no magic combination of words that will make him see the light & change his ways.

The dynamic in the relationship is parent child. Do you really want to be his Mammy?

Palavah · 10/05/2021 09:12

Do not have a baby with this man.

There is nothing in your update which would change any of the replies to your original post. He is not on the same page as you. You're not going ti change him by 'communicating better'

candycane222 · 10/05/2021 09:13

If you have a child with him, despite the fact that he really doesn't"get" the need for a parent to be healthy and not regularly blind drunk, you will become the enemy, unfortunately. You will be "nagging" , he will be "appeasing you" "resentful" - or pissed.

Ragwort · 10/05/2021 09:19

Just to echo what everyone else says, please, please don't have a baby with this man. He doesn't want a 'normal' marriage and family ... he has made his choice on his lifestyle and that involves drinking with his mates.

He will not change, people rarely change their behaviour ... the only think you are in control of is your behaviour towards him? Why try to change someone into what you want, sadly it's not going to work. And I reiterate, do NOT have a baby with him.

AltiC · 10/05/2021 09:22

I am going to echo all of the advice above.

Your situation sounds similar to mine over a decade ago.... Now I'm 12 years into a relationship with an alcoholic (who denies he has any problem at all with drink) and it's often awful.

Sometimes he's fun and lovely.... But often he's drunk, incoherent, unpleasant or has no motivation to do anything or help at all because he's hungover.

At the start of last year it came to a head, I woke up because he'd wet the bed and when I went downstairs to sleep on the sofa realised he'd also shit himself walking home and left poo across the kitchen floor where he'd tried to clean himself and hide his clothes. The next day I said I'd leave... but then Covid happened and it just wasn't feasible, we actually had some respite during lockdown and he started to run and cycle again and drink less, and we got on so much better. But here we are again, pubs are open and I can see he's slipping back already 😢 It hurts but he's making a choice and it's alcohol he's choosing.

If having a stable, happy family is important to you but he doesn't think his drinking is a problem and he doesn't want to change it then you have to decide what you want your future to be.

Cuntryhouse · 10/05/2021 09:25

It's a horrible role being the nagging mummy to her teenage son. Quite unsexy. Mid 30s?? This is him. He's a drinker. Stop blaming yourself!! Decide what you want your life to look like and go for it. He is not part of that. He doesn't want it.

Most of us met and had the party lifestyle, then we grew up. It's not a big mystery. That lifestyle is not sustainable.

Lots of these blokes in their 40s now, divorced, bouncing from one woman to the next when she's had enough. Its sad.

I've been there. It gave me anxiety. These blokes are great fun in your 20s, but best left there.

Mmmmdanone · 10/05/2021 09:52

I would say my husband used to be a bit like this. He's changed in the last few years- finally grown up. But his selfish hedonistic behaviour when the DC were younger helped to kill any love I had for him. We are now finally divorcing after far too long. You will resent him and having children will not help.

TheWeeDonkey · 10/05/2021 10:12

I'm so sorry you're going through this OP, I have close experience of this and it is heartbreaking and exhausting.

Realistically he needs to make the change. A marriage can overcome a lot of obstacles but only if you're in it together, right now you're not. You are committed to a loving realtionship and he wants to party like a teenager.

Unfortunately I've seen up close how this ends, save youself the heartache and leave him (you cannot save him from himself), and please do not have children with him. It will not change him but it will fuck them up.

tentosix · 10/05/2021 10:18

Your values are different and divergent. It will only get worse. Do not bring a child into this mess. Leave and find someone adult.

SelkieBe · 10/05/2021 10:22

That sounds awful and if you bring a baby in to the world with this man you will end up a single parent. But that won't be the worst of it, the worst part will be where you spend 5 years hoping he'll change, hoping he'll get it, hoping that if you just express it more clearly then he'll care.................

Just bail now. It's hard to bail when things are ok monday to Wednesday (the drinking starts on a Thursday) but he's already shown that drinking comes first, that he's well able to tune you out, and that the ''weekend'' is flexible and if it starts on Thurday now it'll start on Tuesday before you can blink.

Tal45 · 10/05/2021 10:24

You've grown up, he hasn't - I couldn't be with an over grown teenager. He will see a baby as another way to try to control him and his drinking and get much more depressed and blame you for it - please don't do it, he does not want to stop drinking and partying and you will end up very unhappy.

It sounds like the drink is a crutch, he's medicating the depression and you said yourself he drinks when he can't handle his emotions and he drinks to extremes. This is not a healthy relationship with alcohol, he might be a happy drunk but he can't rely on drink to make him happy. You are not responsible for his happiness or depression either, he is responsible for that and he is using alcohol to deal with it.

You want to fix him or accept him - but how can you do either? His behaviour is completely unacceptable and only he can fix himself and he doesn't want to. I know you think you desperately love him but this is a ticking time bomb IMO. Please seriously consider if you want this to be the rest of your life.

SelkieBe · 10/05/2021 10:31

Omg, at the husband wetting the bed and going downstairs to sleep on the sofa only to find his shit on the floor. Who could be worth that?
@AltiC was he shocked in to drinking a bit less because he'd shit himself? Or did he say it was a 'bug' or get angry with you for having witnessed it?

My x wasn't a drinking but he was a bad tempered bastard who projected all of his shame outwards on to me and I took a stupidly long time to accept that there was no way I could make him be somebody else.

I really despair at how long it took me to accept that, so OP, accept what's before your eyes :-( Brew

xx

Blacktothepink · 10/05/2021 10:35

Unfortunately this will only get worse, especially when you have a child. You will be doing everything. Don’t waste anymore time on him.

Candleabra · 10/05/2021 10:42

why can't he just stop drinking before he starts mumbling?
Because he's got an alcohol problem. The label of alcoholic can be quite unhelpful sometimes as it's easy for people to deflect - oh I'm not as bad as x,y,z...
If alcohol is causing you to make bad choices and affects your life, health and relationships then it's a problem.
You know this. But he's got to know it too. You can't do this for him. He needs a realisation moment. He sounds very far from this. And there might never be one.

You cannot make him do anything. The only thing you can control is you.
So you need to decide whether you want this current situation to be your life or not.

Hoppinggreen · 10/05/2021 10:50

Firstly don’t have a baby
Secondly don’t blame yourself for his shortcoming

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