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going NC with mum and sister

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upsetandtired · 04/05/2021 16:40

This may be long - apologies in advance.

Today I had a very upsetting conversation with my mum and I think for once I really am done with it all. I just want to know whether I'm wrong to go NC, if it's too extreme and if maybe I am to blame.

I have a very volatile relationship with my sister. I'm 34 and she's 32. Since we were late teens, she's relied on me very heavily and my mum for emotional support. She doesnt have many close friends and has never had a proper long term healthy relationship.

In the last ten years, it's got too much and there have been points where we've not spoken at all but normally I cave in - often because my mum rings me asking me to call her and help her as she's so upset about something. But I'm not sure I can do it anymore. It's draining listening to her and I often end up as an emotional punch bag who she blames. She frequently says I'm not there enough for her, I'm selfish etc etc.

At the start of last year, pre-pandemic, I borrowed £20k from her to buy my own flat. Without her help, I absolutely could not have done it and I was very grateful. I agreed that I would try and pay her back this by the end of the year. For full disclosure, I'm self employed and my earnings in the last year have been very low. My sister is on excess of £100k.

Throughout last year she became increasingly agitated I wasnt listening to her problems enough and kept reminding me not to forget to pay her back by the end of the year. I mentioned that since Covid I have not earnt anything and was relying now on savings to pay my mortgage - she told me I should be cutting back on my one coffee I have each day when I go for a walk and swimming which was doing when the outdoor pools were open. These are literally my only outgoings.

In December, my mum called me and said I needed to pay her back. I took all my savings and did that but I said I was not interested in ever speaking to my sister again and I had had enough.

Since then my mum has twice called me asking me for things that my sister wants to know about, put her in touch with people etc.

I had asked my mum today if she could come and baby sit for me as I had a meeting with a potential client and she agreed. This morning she called with one hour to go and asked if I could take my child to the meeting. It turned out my sister and her had had an argument and she doesnt want to come. I felt very let down and said this - I then had my mum screaming on the phone. She called my dad all sorts of names, said she hoped my sister and I lost all our jobs and begged on the streets and wished we were dead.

I managed to get childcare and went to my meeting where I burst into tears.

Every time my mum or sister need something, they call. I've blocked their numbers now and I really feel like this is it. I just don't think I can come back from what my mum said. My mum said we've caused her so much upset and distress in her life. I said I hadn't relied on her for the last ten years and she said 'yes you havent. but I had to put up with you as a child doing your gcses and a levels and you caused me problems then.' Apart from the general teenage stuff, I never gave my mum any grief. Did well in my exams and went to oxbridge. I know she finds my sister hard work but I cant do this anymore and be there for either of them.

I'm so tired and upset. I just don't think I can do this anymore.

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upsetandtired · 04/05/2021 20:12

Thank you for all the messages; they're incredibly kind. I've just come back from a walk and feel marginally better.

The mortgage deed is tenants in common with a share split - me 90% and her 10%.

I have emailed her to say I would like to change this to reflect how much we have now paid into the place given I have repaid her loan with me 99% and her 1%.

I think she may say she is owed the 10% as payment for her being on the mortgage and helping me thereby buy the place.

I can't really get her off the mortgage as I don't think the lender would allow to be on it based on my own salary.

I just feel an overwhelming sense of disappointment and sadness. I know what my sister thinks - because she batters it down repeatedly that I haven't listened to her, I'm not emotionally there for her and she genuinely does believe she doesnt monopolise conversations with her negativity. I once recorded how long she spoke without waiting for a reply and it was over 9 minutes. I think she has just got herself into a warped place and believes she is the victim. She is having counselling but I think it is fuelling the belief she has been wronged and neglected.

I just don't want to give her and my mum anymore headspace. The last 6 months have been incredibly hard as I've had no savings and am living hand to mouth at the moment and I just feel a sense of despair that it's got to this. I don't expect anything from my mum, I know she'll never change but last year I had got to a good place with it due to my therapy and accepted that the relationship was what it is and I was ok with what I got out of it and reflected what I put in.

But since my sister has been living at home, she's been going on that I need to do more, visit more, be there more.

I don't know why I keep dwelling on it. My close friend says I should just put it behind me and leave it there but it's hard not to keep mulling over it.

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netstaller · 04/05/2021 21:41

I think you sister is extremely selfish, but you know she is by the sounds of things. I do think you need to seek legal advice re the repayment or you will never be free of her.
You've paid her debt, she can't act like a loan shark wanting more constantly. Seek legal advice by any means possible then cut them out they are harmful,

SelkieFly · 04/05/2021 21:58

I wonder about psychotherapy. Mine has been helpful but do they encourage epiphanies or do they always say "that sounds challenging". Do they ever sit opposite somebody and think omg will this martyr take some responsibility ....
My psychotherapist encourages me to be kind to myself but do they encourage every client to be kind to themselves!!!

Does a psychotherapist ever say "how do you think your sister felt about that?".

I wish I knew!

upsetandtired · 05/05/2021 05:21

Sorry it’s me again. I’m here awake and worrying. Still no reply from my sister and she would have received the email by now so I’m sure if it was going to be straightforward she would have just said yes by now.

I feel pretty ill about this. Last week, my psychotherapist said that it was her way of enforcing the only power she had over me by asking for the money back when she did which I agree with - but there is still this last bit of power left.

It was a private agreement between us so I think if she does not behave morally and do the right thing, there’s not much a solicitor can do to help me.

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Billandben444 · 05/05/2021 06:48

I'm sorry you've had a sleepless night. If you can't get her off the mortgage then try and forget about it - if you ever move then make a point of giving her10% of the sale price (are you able to deduct her portion of repairs and maintenance when the time comes? Hmmm) but I agree about going NC with both of them even if it's temporary until you're in a better place. Sending a big hug 🤗

SelkieFly · 05/05/2021 07:00

Is it a 2 bed place?
Can u get a lodger in to pay her back ! and to stop her moving in 😲

upsetandtired · 05/05/2021 07:14

I have paid her back. It’s a one bed place.

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upsetandtired · 05/05/2021 11:06

I have sent an email asking for a reply - I just want to know where I stand on all this. It's making me feel incredibly ill and stressed and I know that I just want to be shot of the two of them now.

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SelkieFly · 05/05/2021 11:22

Don't give her the power.

My psychotherapist said to me that I need to accept the uncertainty of a conflict. It's true. You cant know how this 10% thing will pan out and that is hard. My parents not speaking to me right now and the urge to resolve it is strong. I cant resolve it if resolving it means making them be fair or kind to me. So i with her guidance accepting that this a very difficult chapter of my life right now, i am doing self compassion meditations every night because i need to be kind to me when they are not, and i have to trust that all this self compassion will help me detach from needing a particular outcome or needing it now.

Say to yourself "these are difficult relationships!, this is very difficult for me".

Really acknowledge that.

I recommend christopher germer meditations on self-compassion on youtube.

He asks if you were your friend, what would you whisper to her/you?

I heard the words "you're wise enough and strong enough to get through this" pop in to my head during the meditation.

My psychotherapist tells me that everything else, wanting to care less, wanting to control my anger around my family, wanting to de-enmesh from their dysfunction will all be easier if i do this step first.

I thought she wasnt being hard enough on me at first but now im on board with it all.

My family is still mobbing me! But i feel less shit.

🍷

Bonheurdupasse · 05/05/2021 11:29

You don’t need to justify anything.
Go NC with them both.
Block their numbers.
If they manage to drag you back in, grey rock them.

SelkieFly · 05/05/2021 11:49

The need for certainty is hardwired in to us so it's hard to resist the urge to stir the pot to know where you stand and try and put an end date on sll of this drama. But your sister's agenda is to keep you on the hook meeting her needs! Her agenda is not to give you clarity, peace and resolution.

going NC with mum and sister
upsetandtired · 05/05/2021 11:57

Yes, I think this is it. I am desperate for certainty because I just want to be able to draw a line and then walk away. My sister won't want me to do that. I think - given things she and my mum have said - that she feels I still owe her money for additional stamp duty she'll pay if she buys her own place and that she feels her help should be monetised as a reward to her.

Part of me hates her for this because I can't see what she gets out of it. Why not just accept this is it and walk away and leave me alone. She doesn't need anything more from me but it will just never end.

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Miasicarisatia · 05/05/2021 11:57

OP, if I was in your shoes I would be looking for some way to get the sister off of the mortgage and then I would cut contact with both of them, I think I would take a 'back away slowly'/ distancing approach rather than making an announcement
They both sound very dysfunctional

Miasicarisatia · 05/05/2021 12:01

It was a private agreement between us so I think if she does not behave morally and do the right thing, there’s not much a solicitor can do to help me
She has no interest in doing the right thing, she wants power and control you already know this, that means you don't have to do the morally right thing either... what is the legal position here?
If you want to finally get shut of this pair of dysfunctional drama queens I would go the legal route....

13579db · 05/05/2021 12:16

Female family members are often toxic but it's a taboo and society wants us to believe otherwise. So we keep accepting being their emotional dumping ground.

Until you wake up one day and just decide to be free of it.

You don't need to announce anything to them. Just make the promise to yourself that this is the main cause of your depression and all your sadness so you will no longer tolerate it

But this means to just free yourself from it. Step back and laugh at their behaviours. I've had to do similar and believe me, it has taken years off me.

You are not responsible for them. Concentrate on your work and your family.

These other females will be just FINE

13579db · 05/05/2021 12:18

Also ring your mortgage company and ask what your options are about removing that 10% of the flat.

Or just move house?

At least get information so you feel better informed and this will help u feel more in control and stronger

13579db · 05/05/2021 12:22

Also maybe consider leaving self employment and go into full time job elsewhere if you want reliable income? Just an idea to help you get the feeling of control again where you have a guaranteed income each month and won't rely on others for finance etc

Miasicarisatia · 05/05/2021 12:43

The only actual power that she has over you comes from her 10% share of the property that you live in, focus on what exactly that entails, all the emotional blackmail and guilt tripping can be ignored because it doesn't constitute actual power, rather it is trickery which makes you feel more beholden than you actually are.
Perhaps look at this as if it's a business partnership and you need to get rid of the difficult partner what are your options....?

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