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Estranged Husband & the Neighbour

18 replies

keba72 · 28/04/2021 05:09

Hello everyone,

So I have an interesting story to tell you, and perhaps you wise ladies can provide your opinions on the matter, and perhaps any advise you can give.
After many years of being miserable in my marriage to a narcissistic man, on the day of my 32nd birthday in July I grew the courage to kick him out.
It ended up in a physical altercation which he was ultimately arrested for. First arrest but second assault. The day was the most shocking but equally wonderful day. Now this man is nice whilst he gets what he wants, but when he doesn't then you're the worst.
He was slapped with a DVPN for 28 days, after this whilst there was no interest in resuming our marriage, for the sake of our two children I had an amicable relationship toward him. As though we had been lifelong friends.
However, what I did not realize was that under the surface he had decided now was the time to befriend my brothers. One of my brothers sided with that creature, although my brother had never liked him. Ultimately this caused a huge family bust up. My children no longer see their uncle, and my parents no longer speak to either of their sons. I speak to one of my brothers.
I still managed to get past that for the children, unbeknown he was still going at it. Telling his stories for sympathy.
During this time I met a wonderful person, who is the opposite of the husband, he is kind caring and attentive. Something I have never experienced.
My husband insisted that we put the children first (naturally) and that any relationships come second to them. I was open with him, said I had a boyfriend, gave him the most basic details about him. After all, his children were going to be around this man so it was only decent to reassure him that his children were perfectly fine.
There were occasions where the ex asked if I had seen him lately, and one occasion where he had asked if we had sex. I had to remind him it wasn't any of his business.
It didn't occur to me at the time how wonderfully timed these questions were, until a mutual friend of ours came and told me intimate details that no one could have known...except for my neighbour. He told me that my ex had been told by my neighbour when my boyfriend was coming, and when we had had sex.
Now you are likely wondering how my neighbour would know such things? She was a good friend of mine. A confidant. A person who I considered like family.
Come end of November, my uncle informs me that the ex is telling everything to my brother, who then has relayed it to my uncle.
He tells me 'he is shagging the neighbour' and at that moment, you are in disbelief. 'Nah, no way, she is my friend. She wouldn't do that.'
Well, as it turns out she did. I noticed the difference in behaviour, how she no longer replied to my WhatsApps, so then I knew. But I kept my mouth shut.
Around two weeks before Christmas, the ex rings me and tells me to bring our youngest indoors and lock it because my neighbours husband has attacked him with a baseball bat. Karma was on it's way.
I had a huge bust up with the ex, and told him for the sake of his children and hers, not to go near her. Ultimately these neighbouring children who were the best of friends, ended up in some weird dynamic and it has affected their friendship.
Of course, the ex still went there.
She has tried to get me in trouble with the police over ridiculous stuff, such as where my CCTV angles...which she perfectly knows where it films.
Come to the week before Christmas, where he was told he wasn't welcome to my door, that he was no longer allowed to contact me in any way other than email and on a Monday, as per police advice.
He turns up the following day. Benefit of the doubt given that he had not seen the email.
That was the last the children and I saw of him for three months. During these three months however, whilst neglecting his children, he was going next door. Literally, the door beside mine. I come to the conclusion he must really like the houses down my road.
Come the end of Feb, her husband calls me and asks to meet. So I do. We have a chat, see how each other are doing and discover my ex tested positive within days of seeing our children. This was when I found out the details of what had occurred.
Apparently the neighbour didn't appreciate my talking to her husband, whilst she was having sex with mine and proceeds to call the police about my CCTV again, and throws shoes over my fence. At this point, she calls my employer making safeguarding allegations to try to get me the sack. Thankfully that was not the case, and it was all logged via the police as harassment. I received verbal abuse via social media from her sister. Father of the year turns up at my doorstep and refuses to leave until the police arrived and told him to stay away.

It all went quiet for a few weeks, before being ambushed outside my house, huffing and puffing at me as though I'd been the one to steal her husband. Again, astonished at how she can have sexual relations with my ex, but how dare I talk to hers. I politely reminded her I got rid of my husband, it is true what they say. One mans rubbish, is another mans treasure... or in this case a consolation prize because her husband no longer wanted her.
How dare I stop him from seeing his children.... which was news to me because I had emailed him multiple times to ask why he wasn't seeing the children, to which I got no response. There was so much she said that astounded me, and concerned me. Sulphuric acid. I asked my ex if he could get me some for the toilets at some point last year. He knew plumbers. Toilets both him and she both knew that kept backing up. However, that somehow was manipulated into my asking for it to throw at her.
Needless to say, I would not do such a thing, but common sense would not be asking your ex who could grass you up. I think both lack some brain cells.
By the 1st April, this delightful man was sent divorce papers, and had received them. Which to this day has still failed to sign, whilst telling me multiple times how happy he is with her. Now... surely as you've got no assets to split... and you're that happy with your current squeeze...wouldn't you be in a rush to sign these papers?
Thankfully I have a solicitor who will push through the divorce on my behalf so I get my freedom from him.
My last problem is the neighbour, and my children. Would you say it is hugely inappropriate for the father to strike up relations with the neighbour? What would his intentions be? Part of me does think it was instigated through spite. Of all the women in the town I live in, and he knows a lot of them. To shack up with the woman who lives beside your wife, who was also good friends with your wife? A nice attempt at revenge, or control?

My childrens home isn't their safe space, and it certainly isn't mine. They have to witness him spending time next door, and my eldest is particularly upset about it. His dad not seeing him enough, and now his dad is seeing his best friend more than him.
The day his dad was prancing around her garden showboating at how wonderful he was fixing her fence (I never knew he knew how to use a hammer...and he certainly didn't know how to use a hoover) my son wouldn't go out in the garden because he dad was next door. 'I love my dad but I hate him' he says 'He doesn't spend time with us but goes round there and sees them'

I feel sad for my children. We are all entitled to move on and have partners, but I can't help but feel the choice in his new partner, the location and the relation to us, that it is anything but fair on our children. I kicked him out to only find out he has gone next door.

How would you feel, and what would you do?

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BlackCatShadow · 28/04/2021 05:23

Wow, that was really long!

I think he’s doing these things to fuck with you. The best thing to do is not to react to him and see if you can move house. Honestly, I’d move as far away from him as humanly possible!

merrymelody · 28/04/2021 05:31

I was married to a narcissist also and, although my ex hasn't gone as far as yours, I believe your story. Amazing how manipulative these people can be!

I moved across the planet to be away from my ex. I think you would do well to move also. No forwarding address.

HettySunshine · 28/04/2021 05:36

What's the set up with your house? Is it owned or rented?

I would be looking to move.

Bogeyes · 28/04/2021 05:38

He will treat your neighbour just the same as he treated you. Then she will see what a horrible man he is.

FrozenVag · 28/04/2021 06:04

Yeah I’d move to be honest

Always think that the worst thing about these situations as a child, is seeing your dad hanging out with some other kids instead of you.

keba72 · 28/04/2021 06:04

Unfortunately both the homes are rented. She is over occupied and I am on quota. In theory she is in line to move to a three bed.
Part of me wants to up and move, but it is principle. The house is in a superb location for town and school, whilst being close to my parents as well.
The funny thing is, all the things she used to moan about her husband, mine is worse for. Lazy, and always hard done by.
He has a huge ego, and sniffs around the women. She is highly jealous and knows of his history.
So, they are a logistical nightmare in theory. I would be very surprised it if works.
Initially it upset me that she did that to me, he didn't surprise me. I am not bothered they're together, but of all the women in the area... and right next door. Seems very suspect to me, but then I thought perhaps I was being unreasonable.
Where they had been calling the police on me persistently, short term attempts at trying to cause me distress, have had an effect on our eldest son.
The police kept visiting frequently enough I began to recognize them. Welcoming into the house laughing asking what I had supposedly done now. The police openly said they were wasting their time.
The school told me that my eldest ran out of the classroom and burst into tears telling the teacher he was scared the police were going to take me away and put me in jail. This boy is 8.
She knows what he is like, but chooses to listen to his couple of months of self pity and stories over my 4 years of being her friend.
He has said things to her before, and she has seen him over friendly with the girls out in the town when he is working, openly admitting she wouldn't let her husband do that job because it is leaving a platter of drunk women to sniff at.

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keba72 · 28/04/2021 06:07

@FrozenVag

I agree. The child next door is my sons best friend. The dynamics are weird. What angered me more this weekend was on behalf of my eldest who understands.
he was told his dad wouldn't see them both for long as he is fasting and tired, and then after dropping them off 2 or 3 hours short of the usual length he has them, he goes next door on a jolly whilst fixing her fence.
It upset him an awful lot when he looked outside to see his dad in the next garden.

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isthismylifenow · 28/04/2021 06:21

I know you said moving isn't ideal, but for everyone's mental health, but mostly your dc's sake, I would consider it.

But who is to say he won't shack up with your new neighbour. He is doing this to get a reaction from you. You could try stick it out, but think what damage that is doing in the meantime. Yeah you don't want him having the upper hand in that he will be forcing you to move, but he's putting himself and his ego first. You have DC to think about.

He sounds like.a prize piece of work OP.

LittleBirdBlu · 28/04/2021 06:32

I agree that for you dc's mental health you would be better to move. If this continues I think the effects on your dc will last for years. Not ideal for you to move, but if I was in your shoes then it would be my solution.

keba72 · 28/04/2021 06:33

@isthismylifenow

It is difficult. It is nice to hear other peoples perspectives just to reassure yourself that you're not being unreasonable. Sometimes we need that reality check.
I am in a lovely relationship now, so who knows what the future may bring. I have spoken to my eldest about the prospect of moving and he doesn't want to. Our cul-de-sac is quite the nice community with that exception and he has friends down there.
I will have to re-evaluate frequently I think.

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BlackCatShadow · 28/04/2021 06:40

Well, you only have two options really, move or stay. As annoying and difficult as his behavior is, there is nothing you can do about what he or your neighbor does or says.

So, either move to a new area and start over or stay and learn how to deal with his twatty behavior. Hopefully, it won’t last anyway, but what if he marries her? What if she gets pregnant? It’s a difficult situation.

Wuurg · 28/04/2021 06:41

Your child is not old enough or mature enough to have an input on whether you move or not.

To get away from this utter ridiculousness you need to move.

RachelRaven · 28/04/2021 06:47

Id also move

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 28/04/2021 06:49

Move. The priciple isnt worth the hassle drama and upset.

keba72 · 28/04/2021 07:29

@BlackCatShadow

If they get married and have kids it is of no consequence to me. That isn't my problem apart from the kids will be stuck with her for a long time, but at least she will have an interesting life.lol. I'm going to reassess. If nothing has changed by Xmas then I'll look into my finances and see if I can afford to move.
Sadly with housing association it is quite a challenge to move and may take a lot of time. I did consider packing up and going back home but there really isn't the space.

To some extent I agree with the maturity in decisions but I also want to take his views into consideration. They've had quite an upheaval and I'd like to try and minimise it.
Ultimately if I am in a position to move that will be a positive choice then I will do it.
She is time limited in that house whereas I am not so ideally I'd rather stay because in the long run she will be gone anyway.

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keba72 · 28/04/2021 07:30

Has anyone ever had to apply for a deemed service for a divorce? If so, do you have any input on the length of time it takes?

I am reassured to know that it isn't me overreacting to the situation.

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BlackCatShadow · 28/04/2021 07:47

Sorry, I more meant about how your kids will feel if they marry and have kids. It would be really, really hard for them having that on their doorstep. But, I think you are right not to rush anything. He’s looking for a reaction from you, so no matter how you feel absolutely don’t give him one. Hopefully, he will get bored and move on.

OldEvilOwl · 28/04/2021 13:13

I would look at moving as soon as possible. Get yourself and the kids away from all that shit

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