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Straight talking with a friend? Or not?

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Sandra15 · 26/04/2021 17:48

I asked for some support to help my friend in my very first post, about a month ago now. She'd been bereaved and was acting strangely, mainly with contact with men. We've had another meltdown scenario.

Long story short (as possible) - she told me this last Sunday (18th) She began 'chatting' with a guy in January, who she had met on a Facebook group, and he ended it at the end of Feb. He said he was living with his estranged wife and he didn't want her calling when she was there (likely story). She showed me some of the messages (emojis, hearts kisses, stuff you would write on your pencil case at school). He is 54! She couldn't (or wouldn't) tell me all the details about the chat but I gather it had turned steamy as she said she couldn't show me the others. Anyway he blocked her on Messenger, WhatsApp in Feb. but she didn't tell me why. I think she was sending him about 10 messages to his one.

Fast forward to 10 April and he came back to her 'apologising', saying he owed her an apology, and they started talking again, on the phone and on Zoom. She was annoyed that he wasn't messaging or talking as often as she liked (it transpired he was a pharmaceutical delivery driver) and so she bombarded him with messages and calls, so he left her a message and then blocked her again. Cue lots and lots of sobbing. She played me the message and also went round to her next door neighbour to get him to listen and interpret what the bloke meant! She said that if she likes someone, she wants to talk to them all the time. I think he did lead her on, but she doesn't need much encouragement. He'd said he would visit her (200 miles).

Last Monday, I went out for an early supper with some friends, and planned to spend the evening reviewing my paperwork for my meeting the next day. But this friend rang and was on the phone for over two hours and it was 2am when I went to bed with a headache after reading all the documentation. All about this guy. She had phoned him and left him a voice mail telling him she wanted to talk, calling him a coward and so on for not giving her a reason for not wanting to continue the chat. He rang her back and gave her an absolute tirade, called her a stalker, a bunny boiler and that he never wanted to hear from her again. She had also posted on the Facebook interest group that he had let her down and broken her heart, and he was not impressed. So I had two hours of this, what shall I do, etc. I told her to do nothing - she'd had the same result with Tom, Dick and now Harry (not their real names but you get the drift), so leave it focus on getting yourself recovered and leave the guys alone for a while.

She then told me on Saturday that she had managed to find the guy's home number and left him a message on the landline saying she really liked him, missed him and she was not a bunny boiler or a stalker ................ She told me on Saturday she 'craves attention'. It's bloody tragic.

She has just messaged to say she has rung him yet again - "I thought you liked me, I really like you, I am not a stalker, I miss you, please get in touch so we can talk, it's really upsetting me, please call me"). Aarrgghh!!!

She asked me if I thought she was stupid. I told her no but I thought her behaviour was questionable and hampering her recovery. She said she can't help it - I said that perhaps she may not be able to help her feelings but she can stop herself acting on them. I also told her I don't think she is ready to start dating. She asked if I meant too soon after the death of her husband, and I said no, I meant because of her anxiety and erratic behaviour. Have I been too hard on her.

She's been having anxiety counselling, but now is waiting for meetings with a psychologist but I'm afraid that she won't be honest about this sort of behaviour.

Well done if you made it to the end!

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SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 26/04/2021 17:57

So it doesn't like she would be receptive to being told how needy/stalkerish she is. I think you need to limit how much time you give her though, as it is obviously impacting your work etc. You need to enforce clear boundaries, eg "I have work to do for tomorrow, I have 20 mins/whatever before I need to get off and start". If she won't listen to your boundaries, then you have another decision to make, unfortunately. I am not convinced, given what you've said, that she will respect any boundaries you try to enforce.

billy1966 · 26/04/2021 18:04

You need to pull back and not be so available.

Two hours of her boring the arse off you is too much.

She is making a holy show of herself and an absolute nuisance of herself.

She sounds unbelievable self absorbed.

I know it sounds harsh but I simply would not want to be around such dreadful behaviour.

She has been bereaved and it is hard but she needs to get a grip.

I feel very sorry for you OP.

She's just too much.

Start being a LOT less available.

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SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 26/04/2021 18:05

Sad though it is, there is nothing you can do about her self-destructive behaviour, all you can do is boundary your exposure to it. I'm sure the psychologist will be able to read between the lines. Hopefully this behaviour will burn itself out and/or therapy will bring her to the realisation that it's not helping her at all.

rantypantss · 26/04/2021 18:12

I used to have a friend like this, although no so extreme. Agree with other posters, you need to set some boundaries to protect your own emotional well-being. With my former friend, I realised that being a continual sounding board/counsellor (which went on for years in my case) was actually keeping her mentally in the same place and preventing her from moving on and dealing with her own issues

Aquamarine1029 · 26/04/2021 18:16

I think you haven't been hard enough, and spending two hours on the phone with her, listening to this utter nonsense, is only enabling and encouraging her. Stop feeding the beast.

Notagain20 · 26/04/2021 18:24

You haven't been hard on her and I encourage you to look at your boundaries and your ability to say "no" to other people demanding your time. You're not actually helping her here, she needs to recognise that her behaviour is not OK and she won't get to that point while she has someone willing to listen to her for hours. You need to be less available to her and more available to yourself

Sandra15 · 26/04/2021 18:34

@Aquamarine1029 - I had her on loudspeaker and was pottering about the house washing up and doing other things at the time so not a total time waster. One time I dropped the phone and cut her off and she rang me back after she had been talking for ten minutes realising I wasn't there! Then one time I actually had a shower whilst she was going on, she really doesn't pause for breath!

There's nobody else who knows about this man mad behaviour. I'm the only one as she thinks others will judge her. She's no real friends, only the 'u ok hun?' sort on Facebook, as her husband was a gaslighter and she didn't go anywhere.

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SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 26/04/2021 18:37

ranty makes a good point. By trying to be kind to her, you are in some way normalising her behaviour, which is enabling her. I'm not suggesting you confront her with it though, I think that could go really badly Sad

youvegottenminuteslynn · 26/04/2021 18:41

@SpongeBobJudgeyPants

ranty makes a good point. By trying to be kind to her, you are in some way normalising her behaviour, which is enabling her. I'm not suggesting you confront her with it though, I think that could go really badly Sad
I agree with this though I appreciate it feels like an impossible situation.

She is going to end up getting a criminal record for harassment.

I would be reminding her about consent - that the fact someone was all lovey dovey with her then changed their mind is absolutely their prerogative. It is not her right to decide who remains in touch with her or not. If a man was behaving this way to multiple women he had been speaking to, he would quite rightly be viewed as stalking and harassing them. Finding the landline and leaving a message etc is scary for the recipient.

It's terrible she's been widowed, it's so awful and I can't imagine the pain of it. But her behaviour now isn't just foolish, it's harmful and (due to being told firmly no contact is wanted) criminal.

Sandra15 · 26/04/2021 18:42

@SpongeBobJudgeyPants

ranty makes a good point. By trying to be kind to her, you are in some way normalising her behaviour, which is enabling her. I'm not suggesting you confront her with it though, I think that could go really badly Sad
Yes this is a really good point I hadn't thought of. I got slaughtered on the original post I made about this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4211283-Friend-losing-the-plot

and decided I was going to chat to her twice a week. Now I think this is too much, as it is all about her problems, men, needing attention, missing sex, getting drunk, Facebook and crying.

I can see that it is normalising her behaviour by talking about it. I'll see if she contacts me again, and if she does, keep it simple and short.

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