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Would you end this relationship?

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PinkSpottyBalloon · 16/04/2021 23:33

I've known my bf two years, been more 'serious' for a year or so, ie see each other most weeks, been on days out etc. We both have kids, he's met mine (briefly) which went well, both sides liked each other.

However, progress has stalled. He is several years divorced (I've seen the papers!) and his exwife has a partner of about 18 months. However, his ex doesn't know about me. I've asked him to tell her, initially I was quite relaxed but recently I've spelled out that it makes me feel sad to be a 'secret'. It also means that occasionally our regular weekly visits will get moved or cancelled as she books something on 'our' night, not realising that he would have been seeing me!

He claims that when he told her of a girlfriend in the past his ex got jealous, made his life with kids hard etc. Their kids are young teens. Thing is, I don't see why she shouldn't know now, as she is in a relationship herself! I can see that she does seem to like having both her bf and exh in her life, she calls him to chat quite often and they have a closer relationship than may be expected, to the extent that his ex wife's new partner has apparently asked that her exH be less involved in her life. It is all quite odd and very different from my amicable but fairly disinterested relationship with my ex husband, we only really chat when needed about the kids. I know I have no issue with my exH knowing I have a bf or me knowing about his gf. I find it all very weird, it's like he's got one foot in the old marriage and not moving on.

He calls me most days, we see each other most weeks, he could have a future with me (my work is going well, happy, comfortable life) and I've put no pressure on meeting his kids until he feels ready (no more meetings planned with my kids). I'm just bemused and uneasy about being a secret from his exwife.

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RachelRavenRoth · 16/04/2021 23:43

Why put up with this?

IdblowJonSnow · 16/04/2021 23:43

I wouldn't end it now but I would be very firm that he should tell her, because it's bloody odd not to.

It makes it look like potentially there is something going on when hopefully that's not the case.

If he flat out won't tell her then I would probably end it if it were me.

AntsMarching · 16/04/2021 23:46

I wouldn't ever be a secret, for any reason. If I need to be a secret then he's not ready for a relationship.

I'd say that to him and if he tried to give me an excuse, I'd walk away.

MadMadMadamMim · 16/04/2021 23:49

If it were me, I'd have a conversation with him where I told him bluntly I'm feeling that our relationship has stalled. Your reluctance to tell your ex wife that you are with me suggests that this isn't serious for you, and I am therefore considering just calling it a day. I don't see the point in wasting more of my time if there's no future in it.

I don't really do game playing. Any excuses from him would probably have me deciding to end it.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/04/2021 23:54

it's like he's got one foot in the old marriage and not moving on.

That's exactly what's going on. I wouldn't be wasting anymore time with him.

btwwhichonespink · 16/04/2021 23:57

My ex-h wouldn't (and hasn't) told me when he had a new girlfriend because he compartmentalises everything and wouldn't want the two worlds to overlap. It's an odd thing but I understand it now having known him such a long time.

If he hasn't told his parents about you I could understand your distress but not because he hasn't told his ex-wife. There could be lots of reasons for that.

BlueDahlia69 · 17/04/2021 03:03

End it 🌸

PinkSpottyBalloon · 17/04/2021 14:59

Thanks, good to hear that I'm not alone in thinking this is a weird set-up. I'll tell him that he needs to tell her he has a girlfriend now, if he still doesn't want to then clearly I'm not worth much to him.

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Fireflygal · 17/04/2021 15:12

@btwwhichonespink, it's 2 years and she hasn't met the children.

Op, whatever is going on for him, will not lead to a good relationship. Don't ever be a secret.

OnkasBigMoka · 17/04/2021 15:12

I am not certain that ending it is the right course of action.
Having been in the same situation with a difficult ex - the trouble that can start from them knowing outweighs just getting on with something that is about you both.

I had a similar relationship where my partner really got hooked up on the "secret" aspect - it wasn't - I just didn't see what business it was of my ex. So I told my ex and all heck broke loose which ultimately ended the relationship.

Now, you could argue that I still had "one foot in the marriage" - but that could not be further from the case. It was purely the fact that I knew what a piece of work my ex wife was and I wanted to keep the relationship that I had safe.

SausageDogSandwich · 17/04/2021 15:18

@Aquamarine1029

it's like he's got one foot in the old marriage and not moving on.

That's exactly what's going on. I wouldn't be wasting anymore time with him.

^ this
Mayzee · 17/04/2021 15:24

I have a difficult ex and will not be telling him if I have a bf. But if anything gets serious enough to mean a bf was going to be introduced to my kids, then I would have to tell him. Kids would anyway so it’s better coming from the parent.
I would spell out how you feel very clearly like madmad said above.

JemimaJoy · 17/04/2021 16:00

I would end a relationship if my partner kept me secret from an ex, yes

PinkSpottyBalloon · 17/04/2021 16:03

@OnkasBigMoka that's very interesting, thank you. What sort of 'trouble' did it cause? He said in the past his ex has started arguments, created unnecessary drama etc. Which I kind of understand, but he seems to be very keen to 'please' her, which I could interpret as avoiding arguments or that he still has one foot in the former marriage.

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category12 · 17/04/2021 16:20

His children are young teens, they're of an age where he could manage their relationship and contact with them with little to no input from his ex-wife.

It's unfair and unreasonable to treat you as a secret. I'd make it a dealbreaker tbh.

user1493413286 · 17/04/2021 16:24

Thing is that if he tells her now he’ll either have to admit you’ve been together a while and she’ll wonder why he didn’t tell her and potentially feel a bit stupid or pretend that you’re a new girlfriend so more lying. I don’t understand why she hasn’t been told and your description makes me wonder if the relationship would ever progress to being more serious but if you’re not worried about that then that’s fine

OnkasBigMoka · 17/04/2021 16:38

@PinkSpottyBalloon it was a totally surreal experience if I am honest. My ex ended the relationship by having an affair - you would think that's a pretty clear message that wasn't wanted lol!

Anyhow it would manifest initially with the odd dig such as "your new women" and then move onto things such as "well I bet you are spend x on her" and "you never did that with me" as she would find out things.

She would spend great lengths of time find out as much as she could on Facebook about them and what we were doing (and, enlist friends to help when we both blocked her). There was even one partner she contacted online to "introduce herself".

At the time she would demand that I have my son on her weekends as she knew that I would have made arrangements (he lives with me permanently now).

There was lots more - but I think that gives you the gist.

It was never about keeping a new partner a secret, perhaps its a man thing - but my view was the less she knew the better it would be.

I get that there would be that moment where she would have to know when it was time to introduce my child - but I had always planned to have something very strong with my new partner by that point.

I don't know much about your situation beyond what you have written. But whilst it may come across that he is trying to "please her" - from my own experience that could be "keeping the peace". I know at times I would be very nice to my ex to ensure that the relationship that I was in was kept safe - but believe me i hated every second.

Perhaps a chat with your bloke and ask him honestly what it is all about with her. Don't put words in his mouth - but just tell him its ok to be honest in regard to what he is afraid of.

Really hope that it works out for you!

OldWomanSaysThis · 17/04/2021 16:47

The relationship has stalled. How long can this go on? At what point now does he say, "Hey, ex and children, I have had this gf for years...."

PinkSpottyBalloon · 17/04/2021 17:01

@OnkasBigMoka thanks, that all makes a lot of sense. He has mentioned in the past that she tracked down his gf online, approached her etc, a lot of ranting and arguments about money (similar to how you say). He did say that it isn't me who is the issue, it's her, but I do wonder how long this could go on for before he would tell her, maybe until the kids are 18 (only half joking!).

It sounds like I should have a conversation with him where an outcome is agreed.

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OnkasBigMoka · 17/04/2021 17:18

@PinkSpottyBalloon I personally think that's a good idea. You get to give him the chance to really open up to you and you can see if it makes sense and if you can help.

My personal view is as long as I am happy in my relationship with a new partner then my ex doesn't really need to contaminate something that could be really good - unless it's really needed.

Also, be honest with yourself - what is it you are trying to achieve in her knowing (that's not meant argumentatively).

In reality, unless you are worried that he wants her back and is going to make moves after what is quite a long period of time then I would argue that it doesn't matter if she knows or not - it adds no value until the kids come into it.

But that's just my view Smile

MadMadMadamMim · 17/04/2021 17:20

He has mentioned in the past that she tracked down his gf online, approached her etc, a lot of ranting and arguments about money

But even if that's the case I'd be nodding and saying to him And if she does that to me then I will block her. Please don't fob me off with excuses suggesting it's to protect me. I am not intending to have any dialogue whatsoever with her and she will not be interacting with my life.

I couldn't be doing with the secrecy or the appeasement of an ex.

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