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I’m living with a man child

45 replies

SquirrelForDinner · 09/04/2021 20:04

Please help me get some perspective here.

Before Covid, I worked at home 1 day a week and ad hoc days. We have a 3 bed house, two bigger rooms and a smaller. DS is in the tiny room (with plans to move him to second biggest at school age). The second room was for books, storage, doubled as a guest room and had my desk.

Since Covid, DP’s ever so important job meant he took the office. I am at dining room table. His job is also too important to care for DS (no spaces on nursery for the day and he was previously at playgroup - I only work half day), so I have to entertain him whilst working. DS went into DP’s room today and he went ballistic at him, and then me. Meanwhile I’ll be in meetings and have DS’s head pop in and I just apologise and carry on.

For the third time this week I’ve gone into the spare room and his fucking hobby stuff is everywhere (and I mean everywhere). He puts together models and has 1000s of the things. I walk in - can’t get to the wash basket, can’t open the wardrobe, get to the book shelf, the window. Can’t use the desk when he’s not as it’s all over it. And he acts so entitled about it like he deserves that space (where the fuck is ‘my’ space then!?). Then there’s washing from 2 days ago I asked him to put away but he’s just put the wash basket at the back and I can’t even reach it! And to make matters worse, when he’s not taking calls he’s literally sitting painting his fucking toys whilst I’m working full out each and every day but I don’t get a ‘dedicated’ space for it.

I’ve reminded him that it’s actually a shared space AND will be DS’s room (I’m looking to redecorate over summer) and he still acts entitled and complains that DS doesn’t need a bigger room (which I’ve pointed out repeatedly that he does so I can move his toys out of the living/diner).

So for 3 days in the past week where he could have been helping with chores, he’s been tidying his room again. I can’t cope with it anymore. He’s so fucking entitled and honestly I feel like I’m in a relationship with a teenager.

There’s other issues - no input on life admin - i.e DS school application, decorating or gardening, meal planning, days out. I have bought EVERY item of furniture, appliance or general things for the house, all of DS’s clothes. Everything. I ask him to be involved, he doesn’t, and then when there’s an argument he says ‘it doesn’t feel like my home because I’ve had no input’. He hides chocolates and sweets (like regularly buys himself multipacks and instead of sharing, scoffs the lot and hides the rubbish in his pockets - he’s gone from average sized to very obese in about 4 years). He’s glued to his phone and his model groups on FB. He seems to be on constant toilet breaks when with DS (for a long time, on his phone) and spends most of his time doing what he wants and ‘trying’ to get DS involved rather than the other way around. He can’t do ANYTHING without being plugged in (like if I ask him to take the bins out he can’t until he’s got his headphones on), and of course, I need to directly tell him what he needs to do and he even asks for chore lists, because he can’t figure any of it out himself.

Honestly, I’m at the end of my tether now and don’t think I can cope anymore. DS made a mess earlier and when I raised it, not only did he put all his toys away but got the dustpan out to clean up without me giving specific orders (he’s 3!). DP on the other hand argues about it, makes it difficult and needs me to break everything down in to mini bite size instructions because he doesn’t get what something like ‘can you clean the kitchen’ entails.

He has his nice points too, but I’m starting to lose them somewhere and I don’t think I can cope anymore. What do I do? Is any of this salvageable?

OP posts:
Anydreamwilldo12 · 10/04/2021 09:02

Does he actually have any good points? What's the point of him?
Useless selfish partner/Useless selfish father

I would ask him to leave. Your life would be so much easier.

EarthSight · 10/04/2021 09:09

There are several issues here -

  • Selfishness
  • Self absorption. I don't mean in a vain way, I mean being lost in own world
  • Obesity and a lack of care towards one's health which will not only impact your relationship but also his parenting
  • Attitude towards women - it's clear to me that you husband very much neglected to tell you that he thinks that looking after children is very much women's work. You can tell that by his expectation you'll look after your son whilst you both work.
  • A lack of space in your house which is increasing all this tension. Not unusual, sadly, in the tiny homes we have in the U.K

When he's off work, what does he do? Is he usually gaming, painting his models? Does he gave friends? If you weren't with him, would he be motivated enough to go out by himself.

TheDogsMother · 10/04/2021 11:01

Your life would be so much easier without this man. It sounds like you have lost any respect for him, understandably so, which is difficult to come back from.

Cherrysoup · 10/04/2021 11:52

I don’t want to victim blame, but you’re letting him do this? I would make him box everything up and take it to the garage-what a waste of a great space! He can sort the electrics or get someone in to do it. Stop doing anything at all for him, he is currently a pointless waste of space. Have you told him how you feel? I mean, a proper sit down serious discussion?

LonstantonSpiceMuseum · 10/04/2021 11:56

If you've tried talking to him already, then it honestly sounds checked out to be honest, and doesn't care any more. Or he's coasting along because splitting up will be harder. He doesn't care, you have (as one pp put it too) rightly lost respect. Even if he's the main earner he still needs to be involved, what's the point of supporting a family otherwise?
OP I hope this thread validates your feelings - when you live with someone like this it can be easy to think that "you are the problem" and that he is normal, especially if you have been living with it for a while. I would also like to add, again that doing everything yourself and looking after an adult is genuinely really hard, harder than dealing with a small child and their manageable possessions.
Please take that away and realise just how much you are dealing with.

SquirrelForDinner · 10/04/2021 12:10

We’ve been together about 13 years. I actually did reach an end point at the end of 2019 and we split - he moved out in the summer. The last half of the year things with some distance seemed so much better. He had counselling, was more information in doing things with me so we’ve been trying to make a go of it. He still rents his flat, which pretty much all his wages go into so I pay everything to keep this house afloat. I thought we could consider starting again and it would help out on the money side but it doesn’t feel worth it. I’m just stressed all the time.

And it has transpired very recently that no, he couldn’t manage by himself and didn’t sort out things like the utilities and now needs to clear outstanding debts. I have no idea if he is, I don’t ask.

I have lost respect for him. I don’t find him attractive. I think we can be good friends but even that is strained right now. He gets upset with me for ‘treating him like a child’ which perhaps I do, but only because he acts like it all the time.

He lies too, about really ridiculous things - much like a child would. Like if I was to ask if he ate the last x, he’ll lie and say no, I’ll spend 10 mins rummaging in the cupboard for it and then find the wrapper in the bin. That type of ridiculous thing.

I am starting counselling next week because I think I struggle with reasonable boundaries and self esteem. I have a lot of older issues too (which in fairness to DP he has helped me through), but we’ve had the space, we’ve tried again and still we are going round in circles.

OP posts:
redastherose · 10/04/2021 12:28

It sounds like the marriage is dead in the water. You've tried and it's not working for you. Send him back to his flat properly separate and be friends who co-parent get divorced and move on with your life.

UCOinanOCG · 10/04/2021 12:38

I assume you are not married so he could move back to his rented flat and you could stay in the house. You would gain a bigger room for DD and a small office for yourself. He can have all his models and his mess in his own place.

updownroundandround · 10/04/2021 12:43

@SquirrelForDinner

You honestly need to tell him it's time he left, because all he does is make your life fucking harder !

He's had counselling.
You've told him what the problems are.
He's a grown man ffs.
You're the only one even trying ffs.

He's had warnings, he's had chances to improve, and yet he still treats both you and his DS with barely concealed contempt !

He's not worth the continuing struggle to keep him, is he ?

He's got a flat to go to (and the bloody debts are his bloody problem to solve, not yours !), so tell him to pack a bag and fuck off 'home', because you are NOT his fucking Mummy !

FishyFriday · 10/04/2021 12:54

I agree, it sounds like you are hoping we'll all just validate your feelings that it's over and his behaviour is shit. And we will because it is. Even before the bit about how he's still renting a flat and has built up debts (so you are paying for a house you can't use properly because it doesn't suit him) it was clear that you are totally reasonable in having had enough.

Why on Earth is he not working his Important Job and modelling from that flat (and letting you have an office and your DS a decent sized bedroom), if it's sitting empty?

Chloemol · 10/04/2021 13:01

If he still has his flat I would box everything up and move it there, and tell him to move as well

LeaveMyDamnJam · 10/04/2021 13:04

My DH has a very important job, his work eventually saves lives. He works mammoth hours a week. He still does more than his share around the house, walks the dog daily, does the garden. This is what a decent man is like. (He mixes a bloody good cocktail too!)

Aquamarine1029 · 10/04/2021 13:04

Fuck me, he sounds absolutely disgusting. Enough with the dithering, op, you don't need counselling to tell you this marriage is doomed and over. All you're doing now is wasting your time. The younger your son is the better for you to leave your husband. Don't wait, and don't allow your husband's horrible behaviour to start influencing your child. Just end it.

FishyFriday · 10/04/2021 13:08

Ending it and sending him to his flat would gain you a home office and the ability to do what you like with the space for your DS. You're already paying for everything, so it makes no difference there (you'd even save on man child food bills etc).

And you'd no longer have to listen to crap about this Big Important Job that seems to afford loads of modelling time.

Wizzbangfizz · 10/04/2021 13:18

Send him back to that flat OP - this isn't a relationship and you are still young - you don't want this to be your life for the next god knows how long.

NorfolkHousewife · 10/04/2021 13:48

Okay, COVID is hard on all of us and we must take that in consideration... but some people are showing their true personality. Very sad and disappointing, but maybe it is better to know now, than after after two more children and another 10 years together.

I had a man-child once. I knew after the first week. Still kept him on a bit because he was really good looking and we had the best sex ever, but after three months or so even that didn’t offer enough compensation and I kicked him out. Of course It was easier because we didn’t live together and there were no children.

So talk to him and tell him how it makes you feel. Give him the opportunity to make changes but with a non-negotiable deadline. If it doesn’t work, be brave and tell him it is over.

NorfolkHousewife · 10/04/2021 13:55

Just read your second post. Forget what I wrote before and RUN while you still can!! He sound like a complete [bleep]

3peassuit · 10/04/2021 14:09

If nothing has improved since he moved back in, I’m afraid I can’t see any reason for your relationship continuing. It’s time to get your separate finances in order and move on.

Elieza · 10/04/2021 14:09

Send him back to the flat.

See how you get on. Continue to ‘date’ him if you want to see if love can blossom again, although I think I already know the answer.

At least his toys will be out if your face all the time and you can see him when it suits you.

BrioLover · 10/04/2021 14:15

Hang on. He's renting a flat still, has debts related to said flat because he's too lazy/incompetent to sort out basic utilities, and yet he's taking up the larger bedroom in your home that you are now paying for?!

Please send him back to his flat with all his crap.

It will be far better.

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