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NC with toxic mother

37 replies

Bat96 · 06/04/2021 17:51

Hello,

I suppose this is me asking whether I am being unreasonable.

I cut contact with my mother since I was 18 years old, she is a very toxic person, has caused me a lot of grief in my life.
To cut long story short she split with my father when I was about 8 years old, since then, she's used me as a weapon to hurt his feelings in many different ways, my dad was not allowed to contact or see me, nor was any of his family.
She would refuse to buy me or my brother any new clothes or items needed for school as according to her she did not have any money, but would get lip fillers, hair extensions, permanent make up and many more.
This one time she refused to give me money for shampoo, we run out and I was going to school the next day. She was laughing at me, making comments. I had to go with greasy hair and was bullied that day badly.
She uses to bring different men home all the time, drink and argue with them.

I could go on forever abour her behaviour, she is not a mother material.

As soon as I started working, which was when I was 16, she started stealing money from me. One day I confronted her about it. I was never an argumentative person and never challenged her before or stood up for myself. Whenever she did not like something I did, she woukld give me the silent treatment for many days until I begged her for forgiveness.

After confronting her about the money, we had an argument, I went to work. When I came back, she was clearly tipsy, called me some nasty names and said some hurtful things. All I did was stand and listen. All my things were already bagged up in bin bags and she made it clear she did not want me in the house, I left. Since then I've had no contact.

She blocked me on SM and as she was still texting me abuse, I blocked her number.

Fast forward 7 years, as I still keep in contact with my grandma who is my mom's mum, my mum found out through her that I'm pregnant. She now unblocked me on SM and wants to regain contact, but I do not. My gran was insistent on me speaking to my mom again and kept saying things like, you're too stubborn, she is your mum you should respect her in whatever circumstances.
My mum's new husband has been messaging me on SM telling me I should be talking to her. I feel guilt tripped.

In the past years she has had many opportunities to speak with me, we live in the same time, she has walked past me on the street many times and never even said hello.

All this is messing with my head, she has done a lot more to me than what I've described above, a lot worse things.
Now she, her mother and partner are insisting I forgive her because that's the right thing to do.

I'm not looking for any sympathy I'd just like to know from people who have cut contact with their family members, did you regret not regaining contact when they tried reaching out?

Any advice on how I can handle this?

Many thanks

OP posts:
Bat96 · 07/04/2021 14:30

@AttilaTheMeerkat thank you for suggesting the Stately homes thread, it is indeed very relatable and in a way a comforting read as it shows that other people have gone through similar experiences.

This is the link to the thread if anyone else going through something similar would like to have a look:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4182916-March-2021-Well-we-took-you-to-Stately-Homes-thread?watched=1

I've never heard the term 'flying monkeys' before, I've looked it up and it does match her husband and my gran.
I have took the majority of posters advise and have blocked him on SM. In regards to my nan, I have had a long chat with her and set some boundaries.

Gran lives abroad but would like to visit us when the baby is born, if it's covid safe. We contact each other via FB messenger we also video chat on there. When my baby is born I know she will want me to send pictures of him.
I'm not sure how I feel about sending pictures of my son, what if she forwards them to my mother? Would everyone else be okay with that? Would you mind the family members you have NC with being sent photos of your family?

My other question is- my nan doesn't know my address as she would potentially pass it on to my mother, so baring that in mind, should I even allow her to visit when my son is born?
Then there's a potential of her video chatting m mother in my house to show her my son etc. I'm not sure whether I'm overthinking and panicking ahead of time, what are everyone's opinions on that?

@OnTheBenchOfDoom
my dad contacted me a couple of months ago, we both agreed not to talk about mother as it's too painful and have agreed to try rebuild contact, which I'm very happy about.

Thank you to everyone for congratulating me on my pregnancy Flowers

OP posts:
BoomyBooms · 07/04/2021 14:35

Not quite the same but my mum has a toxic mum who cut us off when j was in primary school. It was a lot harder for me to cope with suddenly not having a grandma, than if I'd never known her. My mum does have some guilt I think but overall she has been a lot better off ever since. My grandmother is still horribly emotionally abusive to my aunty, which is awful, but I'm glad my mum and I don't have to deal with it.

Notoriouslynotnotious · 07/04/2021 14:36

No OP stay well away. Block her husband completely and put strong boundaries in with your grandmother who enables her to an extreme extent. I know it is hard but your baby deserves to have a strong, fully together parent and your mother’s only real goal is to play with your head and tear you down.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/04/2021 14:48

What boundaries did you set your nan?. There is really no guarantee here she will honour those and I would think it a given anyway she will show photos of your newborn to your mother. Therefore no photos should be shared or displayed online.

Given how she (nan) has behaved previously I would block her from being able to contact you anyway and I would certainly not encourage any visit. She is also a flying monkey to her daughter your mother. So sorry you have relatives like this but its really not your fault at all here.

You absolutely need to maintain both firm and consistently applied boundaries.

okokok000 · 07/04/2021 15:00

I wouldn't. Sounds like she has no remorse. Don't run the risk of exposing your child to this abuse.

Notoriouslynotnotious · 07/04/2021 15:05

Bat I doubt you are overthinking from experience.

My brother who totally agrees that my parents treatment of me is appalling did everything in his power to keep me in the other family relationships long after I wanted to be completely done with them. He told me about family visits, gave family updates, spoke like I was still part of it when like you my parents had pushed me out and all of the others in the family had enabled them to do so because I wouldn’t just sweep abuse under the carpet for them.

For my brother it was to maintain his intact “family” unit, it had nothing to do with me or my well-being and no matter how many times I and others told him it was hurting me, he still kept doing it. So it is very possible given your grandmothers behaviour to date that she will do those things you are suggesting. To answer you question about would I mind if I was in your shoes? Well yes of course I would, like you I would love to have a caring family who can behave appropriately, and because I can’t due to the behaviour of others it hurts like hell. While all of these others around me want to enable the people at the core of this dysfunction, the one thing I don’t want to do is the same. As hard as everything around losing my entire family is being true to myself has been the one thing that has held me together, the loses hurt like hell but they are miles better than losing yourself in the dysfunction. Be try to yourself, it is the only way.

okokok000 · 07/04/2021 15:07

I'd possibly give your gran a final chance by asking her to respect your decision and boundaries, but would block her too if she failed to. If you do keep in contact with her, meet her in public so she doesn't know where you live and can't tell your mum.

It goes without saying that I'd block the partner after telling him not to contact me.

jannyapple · 07/04/2021 15:10

No regrets .. my life is better without any of my family

BlackAlys · 07/04/2021 15:49

Bat, your last 2 posts have made it
Utterly clear to me that continuing your no contact is the only way forward.

So many of us 100% understand the questioning of our own sanity, that desperate memory search because these people have become expert at denying and gaslighting and re-writing history to suit their agendas. They have a staggering ability to never, ever be self-reflective. They are never wrong. They never, ever change.

You've done SO well to build your life back up again - I'm so proud
Of that 16 year old you - I'm 30 years older than that and the guilt is eating at me daily.

Don't undo your good work. Don't spoil the life you have built yourself.

As for your DGM, trust is everything. Like you, if need to give her one last chance but I wouldn't let her visit. Can you go to her?

BlackAlys · 07/04/2021 15:51

*I'd need to give her one last chance

FrenchBoule · 07/04/2021 17:47

OP, check out DARVO

Deny, Attack,Reverse Victim and Offender.

The whole purpose of it is to make you feel guilty and your mother to get her claws into your child.

She fed you a lot of bullshit trying to explain herself.

NC is the only way, otherwise she’ll start on your child. Would you be happy with it? Would you allow it?

You owe this vile woman nothing. She doesn’t deserve to be a mother/grandmother.

Protect yourself and your child.

Tell your gran to keep her beak out.

Nobody treats their loved ones the way your mother treated you.

Wishing you all the best.

dopeyduck · 07/04/2021 20:00

When you're about to have a child is not the time to invite people who cause you stress into your life.

Explain you're not ready for contact but if a point comes in the future whereby you feel like you are then you'll reach out.

If she really wants to develop a relationship with you she'll respect you and she'll back off and hope she gets a chance.

That's what I would do.

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