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I’m a whore according in to H of almost 30 years.

56 replies

CantBelieveImInThisMess · 31/03/2021 22:50

This is an essay so apologies in advance’

H comes from a culture where they believe sex before marriage is wrong as the woman should be ‘pure’ as it is her womb that carries the baby (obviously a medieval mindset due to risk of STIs affecting the baby). I found this out a long time after we met. He was brought up in a Muslim country but has always denied being one as his family never practiced it but they have a lot of traditions rooted in it.

He always refused to discuss previous relationships as he said he didn’t want to know but he said he’d never been with anyone for longer than 3 months before he met me but wouldn’t elaborate on how many partners. I found out last night it was 4 before me. I’d had 10 previous partners before him which I was open about from the start. Mainly one night stands (very low self esteem), a few short term relationships and a 3 year one where I’d been engaged but ended it as it fizzled out.

A few weeks before I met H I think my drink had been spiked and I’d been, as I know now, raped by a colleague after a group of us met up for after work drinks. I was very ashamed and embarrassed as this guy was about 30 years older than me (I was 21 and in no way attracted to older men!), married with kids I think, and I couldn’t figure out how I ended up in bed with him as I wasn’t a big drinker at all. I had no knowledge of date rape drugs back then and only realised what must have happened years later as I remembered coming to for a brief period, not knowing why I was in his room and trying to get off the bed while he was standing over me taking off his boxers but I couldn’t as I was completely paralysed, then passing out, and waking up in my room with no knowledge of how I’d got there. I worked in a conference hotel in London and lived in. The colleague was a regional manager of the hotel chain who travelled around checking up on the hotels. We’d only just met as I only been in the job and living in London for about a month and he left the morning after so I never saw him again.

I moved jobs shortly after due to embarrassment as other colleagues knew that I’d slept with him. I realised I had an STI soon after getting with H, assumed I’d got it from colleague as he insisted I didn’t get it from him and we both had to get treated. He was very upset but wanted to stay with me so we carried on and had our 1st DC 3 years into the relationship. Although actually I don’t know if H actually passed it to me instead of me to him and it’s always hung over me as something I ‘did to him’.

Our marriage has always been problematic as his very sexist ideology didn’t become apparent until we had DC and I’d was forced to open my eyes somewhat!

A year ago our oldest adult DC got into her first serious relationship and has been having issues with her boyfriend which she talks about a lot with both of us despite my telling her to not to! My view is that if the relationship is not making her happy then she should get rid. I’m very conscious she’s been aware of the problems in mine and her father’s relationship and I don’t want her to think she has to stay with someone who makes her unhappy especially as she’s not tied to him with DC and before she is! Whereas H thinks she should try to work out her issues (she can be very difficult and combative admittedly) and not jump from relationship to relationship.

There was a discussion last week where DH was saying that if you’ve already been with ‘9 or 10 people’ before you can’t really love someone and take relationships seriously as you should stay with the same person. I knew he was referring to me and challenged him on it afterwards. He then started saying if he’d realised when we met how many people I’d been with before him and known I’d been engaged, he wouldn’t have got with me. He did know! He also started saying that early in our relationship a guy had knocked on my door and on seeing him pretended he’d got the wrong address and he was sure I’d been seeing someone else at the same time as himHmm. I have no memory of this. Then started implying that I wasn’t raped by this colleague and must have agreed to have sex with him or how did I end up in his room and I only said that due to the STI. I also apparently said that I needed to tell this colleague about the STI so he could get treated and why would I say that if it had been rape. I basically told him he was a cunt and he should fuck off then.

After this he gave me the silent treatment for a week which was very out of character so last night when we got into bed I asked him how long he was going to keep this up for as DC had noticed and he was free to leave if he wanted to but this couldn’t carry on and he was not the victim in this. He then started saying I was nothing but a whore before he met me and I’d deceived him! I was obviously raging, got quite upset and it got quite heated waking up oldest DC who came into our room to find out what was going on. I’m mortified that it got so loud and DC saw me so upset. I told her what he’d said too. She’s disgusted but said she can’t take sides and I don’t expect her to obviously.

It was absolutely horrible and I was quite concerned that he was having some sort of MH crisis. I asked him if he was looking for an excuse to end our marriage and told him he didn’t need one and could just fuck off. I’ve told him to get out as this has brought all our previous issues to the fore and I’ve put up with him projecting his culture, which is not mine, onto me for many years. He won’t go as he says he had nowhere to go. He has family about an hour away. I am NC with my family and have been a SAHM for years as he would never step up to doing equal parenting or household stuff and I had to give up my much better paid job when one of our 4 DC was diagnosed with a disability as I couldn’t manage working, running the home and constantly dealing with meetings, appointments and trouble at school. H’s job was too important for him to ever take time off so I always had to take time off for DC being sick and school events and got sick of it. I also have longstanding MH issues (exacerbated by H and stress of having an SN child) from childhood. I used to think I couldn’t cope on my own because of my MH and SN DC has very challenging behaviour but he’s older now and I know I can (obviously need a job) but H is saying it’s his home and DC too and he won’t leave (children are the father’s ‘property’ in his culture). He also says he’ll never touch me again now he’s realised what I am not that I want him too!

WTAF! There absolutely no coming back from this. I’m absolutely devastated but having to carry on as normal but how can I? I actually came downstairs to sleep last night but decided why should I give up my comfortable bed even though I feel sick sleeping in the same bed as him. We have no spare room. Adult DC can’t afford to move out even though she has a good job. Don’t know where to go from here and DC all at home all day due to holidays so I can’t even process it properly.

I was feeling pretty good before this. Got back into exercising. Time for lots of self care. Felt strong and confident. I can’t believe this is my life at nearly 50!

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BurbageBrook · 31/03/2021 22:56

Good grief OP. He is treating you like dirt. Silent treatment on its own would be enough to end it for me, but this insane misogynistic hatefulness? Just no.
I am so sorry you're going through this.
Hopefully someone better at the practical advice will be along soon but Flowers

WiseOwlOne · 31/03/2021 22:59

omg, he is a disgusting hateful misogynist ''human'' being. Please go to women's aid.
Lots of men are misogynists without trying to shame or hurt their wife, but he is not only a disgraceful horror of a human in his views, but he is actively setting out to hurt you. Horrible. You deserve better.
xxxx

Mistlewoeandwhine · 31/03/2021 23:00

This sounds absolutely terrible. I really feel for you. Do you want to be with him? Does he have any good points because it doesn’t sound like it.
Would you divorce him if you weren’t worried about finances?

pog100 · 31/03/2021 23:00

Well carry on with the feeling good, exercising and self care for a start, don't sabotage that, or let him. Then I think coldly, calmly and calculatingly end the marriage, it is very obviously dead. You are obviously due half of all assets and CMS and it is probably time to start thinking about jobs again.
You've got this, you will be much better off without him.

Grumblesigh · 31/03/2021 23:02

You are going to be so much happier when you leave this arsehole. Flowers

Wanderlusto · 31/03/2021 23:06

He is a horrible and hateful human being. I also wouldnt be surprised if you starting to look after yourself and feel good about yourself is part of the reason he is being extra horrible. Because he doesn't want to to have confidence or be happy.

Absolutely tell him to fuck off. Lead my example for your daughter that men dont get to treat women like shit and be excused.

And btw, I love both my parents but if my dad treated my mum like this I could and would absolutely take sides and tell him to fuck off. Assuming she is...say, 17ish or over I'd expect her to be able to do the same.

RandomMess · 31/03/2021 23:13

Carry on with the self care, get some solicitor recommendations and start the divorce ball rolling.

Thanks
CantBelieveImInThisMess · 31/03/2021 23:14

Unbelievable. I’m sitting in the garden having a cigarette. He’s just come out and said can he talk to me as he needed to apologise, what he said was unforgivable, I didn’t deserve it and he doesn’t know what came over him.

I told him to leave me alone and there’s no going back from what he said. He just said I know.

Well at least he actually apologised I suppose. Normally he insists he’s always right and would never apologise. Just Wow!

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Charm23 · 31/03/2021 23:37

I'm so sorry you're going through this but you need to divorce him. He sounds like an absolute arsehole and you would be better off without him.

MilesHuntsWig · 31/03/2021 23:46

Wow he sounds horrendous. He needs to go and at least give you some space after behaving like that.

StarCourt · 01/04/2021 00:08

Op this kind of deep rooted cultural belief is, in my experience impossible to be rid of or ignore. It may not always be at the forefront but it's usually simmering somewhere just under the surface.
I had similar with my ex husband.

OysterMonkey · 01/04/2021 00:18

The fact he’s apologised makes me suspicious.
Are your devices linked and do you think he’s seen your post?
Either way, he’s clearly a misogynistic, hypocritical arsehole and you will be much happier without him in your life.
So I’d be looking to divorce him and insist he moves out. Given he’s clearly left the care of the kids to you up til now, it’d be fucking rich for him to try and claim any childcare reason why he should continue living in the house.
Euggghhhh, what a wanker.

OysterMonkey · 01/04/2021 00:19

I’m sorry you went through the horrific drug rape situation too. That’s horrendous.

SpacePotato · 01/04/2021 00:36

I was feeling pretty good before this. Got back into exercising. Time for lots of self care. Felt strong and confident

Perhaps this is the reason he's being a dick. Needed to knock you back down again.

AmberItsACertainty · 01/04/2021 00:37

I was feeling pretty good before this. Got back into exercising. Time for lots of self care. Felt strong and confident.

I bet he doesn't like this. Prefers mousey passive you. He's an arse. I agree he was looking for an excuse to end the marriage. Flowers . What a heartless way to go about it.

Don't worry about your DD. If she has a good job like you say then she can afford to move out, she might have to adjust her lifestyle that's all. Or perhaps she'll prefer to live with either you or your husband after the divorce, if that's an option for her.

AmberItsACertainty · 01/04/2021 00:38

SpacePotato spooky how we both had the same thought at the same time.

Chilver · 01/04/2021 00:58

I have 2 thoughts:

  1. He didn't like that 'I was feeling pretty good before this. Got back into exercising. Time for lots of self care. Felt strong and confident.' so is trying to get you back under his thumb.
  1. Once he saw you weren't begging and crying for him to forgive you for being a 'whore', he is changing tack and trying the apology route.

Either way, if I were you, the marriage is definitely over and he needs to leave.

CantBelieveImInThisMess · 01/04/2021 01:02

Thanks for all the replies. Can’t talk about something so personal with anyone in RL.

I don’t think it’s to do with me looking and feeling better. He’s always been on at me to do it. He hated me getting fat and looking like crap. Obviously not doing anything to help facilitate that though Hmm. Now the DC are older (youngest is 11), I’m less stressed than I used to be.

As he’s got older he has reverted back to his cultural way of thinking despite living in the UK for over 30 years. Hated DD getting a boyfriend, really struggled at first. In his culture marriages are arranged by the families, or at least introductions are made and agreed upon before they are ‘chaperoned’ for meetings. His sister’s marriage was done like that just a few years ago and she was almost 40! We’ve had many arguments about his views and I don’t tolerate them. I am sometimes shellshocked at how I allowed him to trap me at home but some of that was circumstances with DS’s disability,

StarCourt that is it exactly.

He’s apparently booked me a spa weekend for next weekend. Couldn’t make it up! Never in a month of Sundays would he ever have done that before Shock.

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AmberItsACertainty · 01/04/2021 01:21

I don’t think it’s to do with me looking and feeling better. He’s always been on at me to do it. He hated me getting fat and looking like crap. Obviously not doing anything to help facilitate that though hmm.

I disagree, sort of. Nothing to do with your looks either now or before. He wanted a stick to beat you with, "fat and looking like crap" was it. Now that's gone he's found a new stick to beat you with.

It's clear from your posts that he's been abusive to some extent in the past, now he's blowing hot and cold. It's what they do, to keep you unsettled and keep your attention on him not anything else.

If he says he doesn't want to end the marriage then he is absolutely doing all this to try to put you back in your box. Which is why I say it's about how you feel ie happy and confident, there's nothing more threatening to an abuser. Happy and confident women don't put up with shit. That's why they're always trying to break their victims down.

CantBelieveImInThisMess · 01/04/2021 01:30

Our DS’s are the only males in his family who haven’t been circumcised either as I wouldn’t allow it, as it had to be their decision in my view. That was a nightmare and caused a lot of resentment too. I’m certainly not passive and that’s the problem!

I think he regrets not marrying a woman of his culture and it’s finally caught up with him.

Fucking prick. I shall enjoy my spa weekend though. Had thought about packing all his stuff up and locking him out tomorrow when he’s at work but I can’t put the DC through the inevitable scene that will follow. Horrible, horrible consequences of falling in love with someone you really know nothing about. I’ve told DD about all the red flags and to make sure she investigates the backgrounds and family beliefs of anyone she thinks she wants to commit to. At least she’ll be better prepped than me.

Maybe he’ll go of his own accord. I’ve been looking for jobs but there’s no much about with Covid. Hopefully I’ll find something by the time youngest starts secondary school in September.

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AdoraBell · 01/04/2021 01:41

Get legal advice. He’s disgusting.

TaraR2020 · 01/04/2021 01:46

@SpacePotato

I was feeling pretty good before this. Got back into exercising. Time for lots of self care. Felt strong and confident

Perhaps this is the reason he's being a dick. Needed to knock you back down again.

I thought the same.

Op, I really feel for you - what a vile man your H has turned out to be. You obviously deserve not only better, but so much more...I hope you believe it. Flowers

EKGEMS · 01/04/2021 01:52

I'm very suspicious of your spa weekend he's booked for you-maybe he is planning to change the locks while you are gone. Leopards don't change their spots

Wanderlusto · 01/04/2021 01:54

@EKGEMS

I'm very suspicious of your spa weekend he's booked for you-maybe he is planning to change the locks while you are gone. Leopards don't change their spots
Yup, somethings up.
Aquamarine1029 · 01/04/2021 01:54

Three words: Shit Hot Solicitor.

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