Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Accusing me of cheating.

60 replies

Pondlife22 · 27/03/2021 20:04

My partner keeps accusing me of cheating and it’s really starting to wear me down.
First time he implied I was cheating was when I fell pregnant unexpectedly with dc3. It was a massive shock for both of us as we hadn’t had unprotected sex. I had been away from the weekend with a friend around the same time and oh put 2 + 2 together and made 5. Although he didn’t make a big deal of it at the time I knew he suspected and after our dc was born with unmistakable resemblance to oh and other Dcs he told me that he was relieved that dc was obviously his after all!

When dc3 was still a baby I had a day out with my friends Oh was angry allegedly because I left him with ebf baby, even though I had spent a week persuading dc to take a bottle oh refused to try so I had to keep going home to bf. We ended up having a falling out it turned out he didn’t want me to go out because he thought I was cheating on him because I had been for 6 nights/days out and a weekend away the last 2 years which he thought was excessive. He even told me the person he thought I was cheating with, some guy i vaguely know though the kids school, apparently I once told oh he seemed a ‘nice guy’. I ended up stopping going out at all as it wasn’t worth the hassle.

Over lockdown I’ve not been anywhere socially so oh has been happy but I have been thinking a lot about our relationship and whether I want to continue it, even though things were fine for a while. I know after lockdown I would be back to choosing whether to turn down invitations from friends or living with oh in a huff because I've gone out and he thinks I’m cheating on him.

Anyway it turned out I wasn’t safe from having imaginary affairs in lockdown because he has become suspicious that I am cheating in him when I go out for a run. I have changed the patterns of times that I run recently to fit around other things, I had noticed that oh seemed over interested in my runs when he usually doesn’t show much interest. Then a few days ago I was telling him about something that happened in my run and I said ‘we’ instead of ‘I’. I was really just including the dog in the conversation as she had been with me at the time so seemed rude not to Grin. He instantly jumped on it and questioned me about it. Later he sent me a text saying that he was sure I was cheating while I was running because I had been unhappy with him recently and changed times of my runs etc and then when I realised I said ‘we’ I blushed. I probably did blush as I panicked I knowing what he would think.

Im so sick of feeling like I have to justify my whole life to him. I lost all respect for him when he accused me of cheating with a random dad from school and as a result I’m not really emotionally attached to him any more. I’m not sure I can take my Dcs away from their dad over this though. My family also love my OH and wouldn’t be supportive of me leaving him either so I feel quite trapped.

OP posts:
Sicario · 28/03/2021 08:47

I meant not allowed to be a person in your own right.

Cockenspiel · 28/03/2021 08:56

Please don’t make excuses for his ‘insecurity’ - if he was genuinely, openly insecure then he would be trying to get help for it and not trying to control your every move.

It’s highly likely that he is a cheat himself, on some level. I know you think it’s not possible but unless there is a huge backstory of him being terribly betrayed then I’d suspect him of something.

Unless he is 100% committed to getting help for his behaviour and wants to change, then you need to leave.

MazekeenSmith · 28/03/2021 08:58

I know that this sounds like my OH is being abusive but in reality he is just really insecure

Both things can be true

RachelRoth · 28/03/2021 09:09

I don’t love him any more
This is reason enough, op.

He is making you miserable. He is controlling your behaviour.

Has he actually done anything about his issue of insecurity? Or is it just all your problem to put up with?

REignbow · 28/03/2021 09:17

Also by sulking and using silent treatment after or not being available to parent his children when you have gone out; he’s actually using coercion to get you to avoid this behaviour from him.

Just remember that cohesive control is a crime and it’s nothing to do with being insecure.

category12 · 28/03/2021 09:34

All this is emotional abuse and coercive control, OP. He makes it so uncomfortable for you to go out or use your phone, that you change behaviour = coercive control. He creates an atmosphere, gives you the silent treatment, accuses you of things you haven't done, etc = emotional abuse.

It doesn't matter what the root of it is - maybe it is insecurity rather than setting out to be an abusive arse - but this is the mistake countless people make in sympathising/empathising with their abusers:
Because you see, it really doesn't matter why the person does it, it is still abusive. Intention isn't magic.

And it's killed your love for him. And it's not the right relationship model to show your children - would you want your son to treat a future wife like this? Would you want your daughter to live under the thumb of a man like this? Show them better.

Seadad · 28/03/2021 11:08

I think you've identified it yourself OP - its the vicious cycle - his insecurities led you to lose respect and become distant - which fuel his insecurities - which lead you to think of ending the relationship. So in a sense he isn't wrong to feel insecure - it's just that it's his behaviour that's pushing you away rather than the pull of someone else.

Controlling behavior is almost always driven by fear - and scared people can become abusive.

The problem here is that you are with someone you no longer love. So you'll give off all the signals that will trigger fear and insecurity in him - which he clearly cannot handle - so opts to try to control you instead.

BensonStabler · 28/03/2021 11:11

Please listen to these women who have been through it. They can see it for what it clearly is, AND what it can and will become. Calling it abuse is not overstating it. It may feel that it is at the stage you are in, as you believe he really is just terribly insecure, he gets sad and upset about it (in between the accusations, guilt, manipulation and control) you feel guilty, so you try and be a good parter, reassuring him in every way possible. Constantly restricting yourself further in the hope that this time maybe all the effort, correcting triggering behaviour and the sacrifices you have made will be enough to get him to see sense and the truth. But it is NEVER enough, because IT IS NOT YOU nor your behaviour that is in the wrong. You think on those better times defending him and thinking "but he's not physically abusive", and he's not ALL bad... God do you cling on to those happier times and think if only I do everything he wants we will get that back! Worse if you have children because you convince yourself it's best to stay for them, and he is a loving Dad etc.

Women don't just get with men who they believe or know to be abusive. So how do we end up with them? Why so many stuck for so many years with them? Because it is slow and insidious. They very gradually and very deliberately exert their control over you, as @baileys6904 said, it STARTS with you not going out as much just to keep the peace, it feels like it's not worth the hassle and Agro every time, then not seeing friends and family as much, no male friends, financial control, increasing emotional abuse, sulking, silent treatment, constant bizarre and outrageous accusations of cheating even when it's not humanly possible to have done anything with anyone anywhere with the constant surveillance and picking apart everything you say and do when you have so much as been to the supermarket. Eventually they don't even allow that on your own. These days there are spyware apps put on your phone and computer, trackers on your car if you are even allowed to drive as well as checking exact mileage. Using terms like fearing for yours and the kids safety so he wants CCTV inside your house where he can see you are 'safe' when he is at work.They don't want you to work, they don't want you to dress nice, or wear make up or it becomes accusations of "who are you getting dressed up for?!" They belittle you with name calling and attacking everything about your character, they use your own insecurities against you, anything you told him once upon a time in trust and confidence become just another weapon against you. It's like they are a boa constrictor snake that has their prey in their grip. Every time you are grasping for air they squeeze a little tighter and tighter... They blame you for everything and wear you down in every possible way. They get you isolated from friends by not allowing you to go out with them, and by insulting them and saying they don't like or approve of particular friends, that so and so is a slut and a bad influence on you, or hates your single friend/s and you don't get to act like them by going out all the time socially - and by all the time - they mean that daytime cup of tea you had with another mum once or twice, and that one girls night you had to go to that time no matter how much he tried to spoil and sabotage your evening by fighting beforehand, belittling how you look, accusing you of going out to cheat, calling you fifty times, leaving angry verbally abusive texts and voicemails, finding excuses that he needs you home NOW... such as looking after his own child bf baby despite having plenty notice and the efforts you made to show him bottle feeds. They turn you against your family with similar tactics to the friends, or use those things you have said against your own family when you felt hurt when they may have let you down in some way or had a fall out like normal families do, but they use these things as reasons to hate them and not want your family around or you to see or speak to them... you aren't allowed to be around at your family's home for a visit or special occasion without him but yet he also doesn't want to go with you. He hovers around you giving you "that look" when you are on the phone to them, or anyone, monitoring your every word, wanting you to put them on speaker so you can no longer even speak freely and privately to your own family. Checking your phone calls, texts, social media. Accuse you when you have any male like or comment, so after the millionth argument either you decide it's not worth it, or he actually forces you to get rid. They not only keep you from friends, family, colleagues they also keep you from the public in general, in case you shag someone in the three minutes late you were coming back from the shop, they work and work at making your life such a misery and you constantly try to change and be 'better' for them, thinking if that's what's making him unhappy and treating me this way I will just stop doing xyz and do abc that he wants. Until you realise you no longer recognise yourself. The constant state of fear, confusion, loneliness, you start to believe their lies and your self worth erodes to nothing, you at first question your sanity until over time until you lose it. It is not until you are free from them and have had some time to heal that you think what happened to that strong independent person I was who would never have tolerated such abuse?!

It will go on worsening indefinitely, this is no life to live and no example to your poor children. If anything please do not "stay for the kids", in relationships like this one it will be best to leave for the kids. Leave now before you are irreparably damaged by this man. Let your children have a happy childhood and upbringing with a strong Mum, not the shadow of herself she will become if she continues under this control.

My abuser was never physical with me, until the end. After 4 and a half years. He was so convinced I had cheated on him that I was abruptly awoken from a deep sleep in my bed in the middle of the night by him strangling me by the throat and beating my head against the solid wooden headboard, he then screamed at me, throwing me across the room, hitting and kicking me everywhere on my body except from my face, as if consciously not leaving marks on my face so my clothing would hide this attack... he hit me with a huge metal tripod that held his old camcorder (old heavy one from90s) then he literally dragged me by the hair down four flights of stairs from our flat and physically hurled me out in the street with me in just a short nightie with no shoes or clothes on, in the pissing rain -in a dangerous area we lived in on a Saturday night well 3am. He called me all sorts of sluts and slags under the sun. I had no money because he didn't allow me any. I had no mobile phone because ditto, so I couldn't call the police or anyone for help, but even if I did, I had nobody I could call, I had either lost or forced to have given up friendships and contact family. After hours of just laying stunned crying and shaking in the street, I had a stranger help me to make a call, I called my Dad whom I hadn't spoken to in two years because of him. Luckily he came to my rescue, he wanted to kill my partner but I didn't want my Dad to go to jail, because I know my Dad and he would have done it and happily done the time! So he got away with it. I never told the police. I was ashamed, and numb, I just wanted to hide away and recover, it was only this violence that made me see sense to finally leave him. He was begging to get me back, so many tears, promises to change, threats again of suicide, which actually was a joke, his suicidal times were last grasps at control and getting me back but no real intentions to actually harm himself, just enough to guilt and put the fear on to me. Which is a sick joke because in fact I almost commit suicide twice in the time I was with him as I felt trapped and had nobody and no way out. I lived in his place and had nowhere and nobody to go to, he had seen to that. Although I had finally finished with him, he stalked me for a further year and made my life hell, but I never gave up until I was fee and had my power back. He was a weak pathetic creature. I could finally see him for exactly the cowardice bully who could only pick on women. Just like @Easterbunnygettingready my abuser also used to "check me" physically for "signs of sex" by checking me, and my underwear, smelling me and telling me "I smelled like sex" so degrading. If you object to this inspection then it is only proof of your cheating, "you should have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide" "he's seen it all before" when you object to him going down there to "check" and so the only reason you must be trying to get out of it is because you have something to hide!

Please if you can tell a friend and or family so they can support you and become more aware of his games and agendas behind closed doors. I swear the abuse only gets worse over time, you can't see the abuse until you are really in it, sometimes not even then, many women it's not until they are out of the grasp and out from their evil spell can they see clearly and they wonder how the hell did I put up with it for so long. You say he is not physically abusive. It really doesn't mean he doesn't have it in him to be, either when some imaginary slight he believes you've wronged him causes him to snap or he becomes convinced he finally has the proof of you cheating (of course he doesn't but he can find it in an empty room), or as others say it is when you finally try and get free from them, leaving is the most dangerous time.

Read up different types of abuse, and coercive control, and specifically the constant false accusations of cheating, talk to women's aid, if you do want to leave try to get professional advice from them on how best to leave safely and have others in your life to help and support you.

I gave the best years of myself to an animal like this and I remember being at the stage you are where you become defensive of him and truly believe it's not abuse and that he is just insecure, they are fantastic at playing the victim, turning on the tears, trying to end the relationship they threaten suicide. They seem so emotionally broken and lost you are convinced he would go through with it if you leave. (They don't) The guilt and fear makes you stay. I wish I had someone or multiple women try to open my eyes and tell me to go.

I know this will not be easy with children involved, but you still have family and friends that can help you through that big decision and the real practicalities of leaving, or getting him to leave depending on your circumstances. I'm so sorry this is happening to you and so many others. I'm also sorry this post was so long and didn't mean to hijack it, but I couldn't pass this and not scream and pour out my heart and soul to warn you because you are still at an earlier stage and it's better to get out then than later. Spare yourself and your kids all that hurt. No matter what, please do things safely and at your own pace. I hope things work out for you whatever you decide. It's your life and your choice. Just please take these warnings on board. Stay strong, you are not alone and there is always help out there, and here.

Hugs to all of you who have been through or going through any type of abuse. My heart is with you. Flowers

updownroundandround · 28/03/2021 11:50

@Pondlife22

1,000 % what @BensonStabler said !!!!

Do not make the mistake of believing that he's doing this because he's a victim of 'insecurities !

He's a grown 'man' who is choosing to behave like this, because he wants to force you to change your behaviour (and actually change who you are !) to suit him !!

It's deliberate.
It's got a purpose.
He actually gives a LOT of thought into HOW to achieve what HE wants ! ( i.e He planned to force you to come home to see to ebf baby, it didn't just happen, did it ? Hmm

Please take all the replies on board, and don't continue to 1. Suffer yourself. 2. Forcing your DC to watch/ witness 'how to force Mummy to do what she is told' Confused

MsJinks · 28/03/2021 12:30

Such sad stories, and you may find yours gets more sad if you let it continue. Whatever you do to alleviate his ‘insecurities’ it is never enough - if I wasn’t at it in the timed jog to the phone box (way back) then I was wanting to be at it gawping at 80 year olds on the tv - every time I let it go, his next idea was worse - I literally could only bath if going out with him as I was either prepping for fun elsewhere or washing it off. You’re not at this sort of stage, but it could get there, especially as he will feel you emotionally disconnect.
I’m also of the mind they get obsessed about you cheating as they are/have or definitely would - plus they’re usually so clever - in their estimation- they couldn’t envisage being caught - they can rarely understand someone may behave differently to them.
I can only echo others that your best bet is leaving ASAP - look after yourself Op.

sadie9 · 28/03/2021 12:40

Tell him that the level of his accusations and suspicions are not normal thinking and ask him can he see that?
He's literally using his imagination to make things up about you and then buying into those ideas.
There's a relationship there between you physically leaving (being outside of his vision and his control) and these thoughts that occur in his mind.
His mind only settles down when he can physically see you.
Ask him to go to therapy and discuss these thoughts, because it's pushing you away from him.
Don't refer to the content of his thoughts but instead refer to the activity of him thinking the thoughts (refer to the context not the content).
Instead of saying 'but I'm not cheating' instead point to the activity in his head so say 'you are having those thoughts again. Those are thoughts in your head and they bear no relation to the reality of my actions'.

layladomino · 22/04/2022 08:39

'Reasonable' reasons for leaving a relationship:
You don't love them anymore
They don't make you happy.
They control your life (or try to), through manipulation or fear.
They don't respect you.

You tick all of the above.

And in the end, you don't have to have a 'reason' to leave someone. There is no requirement. Wanting to leave them is the only reason you need.

And please don't defend him as being insecure. He is controlling, untrusting, disrespectful, sulking - he is abusive.

KirstenBlest · 22/04/2022 08:46

There is probably a woman he's eyeing up and he's making you out to be the bad guy.

Sorry

GreyCarpet · 22/04/2022 09:06

I know that this sounds like my OH is being abusive but in reality he is just really insecure

Much emotional abuse stems from insecurity.

A person feels insecure/unworthy/unlovable/not good enough and they seek to do things that minimise those feelings. But not by dealing with or addressing those feelings, but by expecting/demanding/coercing another person to change their behaviour so as not to trigger those feelings.

But in doing so, another person's life is diminished - as yours is being it's normal to go out with your friends. It's not normal to accuse your partner of cheating on you because they go out.

If he doesn't trust you and thinks you are cheating, he should end the relationship. Not control your movements to make it impossible for you to cheat.

And having your life restricted to this extent and not loving him are perfectly valid reasons to end a relationship.

Obviously, you don't want to do that now. So perhaps a conversation with him would provide clarity.

What does he think you would cheat on him? Does he trust you? Does he really think you are the sort of person who would do that? Does he think ypu respect him and your family so little? Does he think his behaviour might be pushing you away? (he already knows it is) I'd probably also suggest that his behaviour is damaging your relationship and that that is more likely to lead you to look elsewhere or leave.

Remind him of the fable of the wind and the sun.

But, tbh, I'd just be making plans to leave. And would have done a long time ago.

AllTheSpottyDresses · 22/04/2022 09:35

I'm going to share own story and it's one I'm not proud of.

25 years ago, I was a single parent of a very young child. I'd had a lifetime of abuse, my relationships had all been abusive to that point and I started seeing a man. Now I won't dwell too much on him because he was pretty decent but not faultless but this is about me.

I was incredibly insecure. I felt unattractive physically and mentally. Couldn't see why someone would be interested in me. My self esteem, confidence, worth and sense of self were shot. I was disgusted by myself.

I was convinced that this man was constantly on the look out for someone better. I didn't think he was cheating because I knew him better than that but how I felt about myself clouded all of that. Amd more than that, I just didn't want him to see women who I perceived as being better than me.

I felt so hostile towards him before a night out because I imagined he'd be looking at other women who were more attractive than me or would have more fun without me that I would start arguments. Never to stop him from going (because that would have been abusive...) but because I wanted him to feel as bad as I did. I didn't want him to enjoy himself. I was jealous if we went out and he struck up an innocent conversation with a woman at the bar etc. I opened up the family computer once and he'd left his email screen open and logged in, so I read a couple of emails. One of them was an invitation from his friend to go to a lap dancing club. His reply to his friend was a firm no. That he was disgusted by the notion of it and he had a girlfriend so what did his friend think he was doing? (They actually didn't speak for 2 years because of it!) And I was still furious with him! I couldn't even tell you why now. Because he'd had the image put into his head? Because he knew someone who had asked him? Because there was a chance he might have said yes? I don't know.

I was vile to him when we watched films if there was any nudity or sex scenes because of how I felt about myself.

My point is that none of my behaviour towards him was triggered by anything he had done. It was all me. How I felt, what I imagined. But the hostility, disgust and repulsion I felt towards him was real and I treated him, on reflection, appallingly.

25 years and several bouts of therapy in, I still have those same feelings about myself - not quite as strongly but they are still there. But how I deal with them is very different. I have strategies that I use to manage how I feel rather than expecting someone else to manage them for me.

I speak with my (different!) boyfriend now about how I feel, not want he has done. I do trust him and show him that. If he goes out with his friends, I kiss him and tell him to have a wonderful time and that I'll see him when he gets home (an approach I learned from reading MN!) If something has made feel a bit insecure (which still happens very occasionally) I talk about how I feel, what I am thinking. I own my feelings. If I ever felt that I couldn't trust him, I would end it rather than make his life a misery.

Your partner is acting the way he is not because anything you are doing is wrong but because he is trying to control you so he feels less bad.

I hope that by telling it from the other perspective, you can see that it is abusive. I wasn't an abusive person at heart. I was fun and kind. We shared common interests, we had a laugh. 95% of the time, it was great. But that 5%..? Well my insecurity rules us both and I had no right to treat him as I did.

KirstenBlest · 22/04/2022 09:38

Thanks for that valuable insight @AllTheSpottyDresses , be kind to yourself. Flowers.

Fairislefandango · 22/04/2022 09:51

A 'valid reason' to leave is anything that is making you unhappy. You do not need to get anyone else's approval, agreement or validation to end a relationship.

In any case, you have an absolutely cast-iron reason for leaving him. Whether he's insecure or deliberately controlling makes no difference to the effect of his abusive behaviour on you (and probably eventually your dc).

Do you really think you can or should put up with this for years and years? It's totally unacceptable behaviour. Is this the kind of relationship you want to model to your dc, or do you want them to learn that people don't have to stay with someone who treats them like this?

caringcarer · 22/04/2022 10:03

He is not physically abusive he is emotionally abuse with constant accusations and sulking and checking on you all the time. If he makes you feel like you can't go put with friends, then over time it will be can't see your family without him. Before long you will become isolated from those that could support and help you leave him. It is a classical strategy abusers use. They make you feel bad about yourself, isolated from friends and family then they can control you more. He will never ever change. His mind is warped. Talk to your family and explain how abusive he is. Tell them you can't take the constant accusations of cheating. They can support you. Leave before it gets worse.

alm92 · 23/04/2022 11:30

Literally could've written this a year and a half ago, so i couldn't read and run. I'm so sorry you are going through this...its a really horrible feeling. I too used to go for runs and would be accused of being unfaithful while being out - I got facetimed once to make sure I was alone. I also used to get accused of meeting someone when going for a dog walk, and had to empty my handbag once because he didn't get why I was taking a handbag on a dog walk - erm, phone, purse, treats and poo bags? He used to accuse me and if I denied it too hard he would say I was acting strange and too defensive....If i laughed off his accusations and didn't make a fuss, he would say "see..youre not even trying to deny it". I couldn't win.
Let me tell you - its no way to live. You will constantly worry about who you talk about, who you talk to, how long you're out, how often you go out, what youre friends say around him.
Please please know its not normal, and its nothing you've done. what i can tell you is, you deserve better. I left my ex and it was the best thing i've ever done. There was lots more to it with mine, and if theres more to your story then my inbox is always open xx

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/04/2022 12:26

Pondlife22 · 27/03/2021 23:59

Thank you everyone for your replies. Some of you have had such horrible experiences with men behaving like I’m really sorry you have had to go through this!

I know that this sounds like my OH is being abusive but in reality he is just really insecure. It’s doesn’t really excuse his behaviour but he isn’t likely to become aggressive or violent about it. He just goes in a sulk and gets upset. I could just ignore him and carry on with things but he knows he can control my going out by not being available to look after the kids. And If I do manage to go out it makes things difficult at home if he is in a sulk.

A lot of replies on here have made me see that it wouldn’t be unreasonable for me to leave him for this though and I think I probably will. I’m really sick of living like this all the time. Even now I’m sitting upstairs hoping he doesn’t hear me on my phone at night because he will assume I’m messaging one of my many extra boyfriends and be in a huff with me tomorrow! In fact if I tell him I want to leave he will just assume it’s because I’m seeing someone else anyway and I’m sure he would tell people that as well.

He is abusive.

And having been there with one exactly like that, even if he takes out a front page ad in the local newspaper telling all and sundry how you done him wrong, it's worth it. Because you aren't with him anymore.

Tallisimo · 23/04/2022 12:35

Why are you making excuses for him? You have said yourself he is controlling you by not being around to be a parent to his children. He doesn’t trust you. You don’t love him him anymore. Don’t stay stay. This isn’t a healthy, balanced relationship and it’s not a good environment for bringing up children. You and they deserve better.

Tallisimo · 23/04/2022 12:36

And if you do leave him, it doesn’t matter what he says to other people. You know the truth, and those who truly love and care for you will support you.

Longdistance · 23/04/2022 12:42

He’s deflecting. He’s cheated himself so he’s looking for excuses. He’s also an abuser as he’s constantly checking up on you.
You need to LTB.

sheepinfur · 23/04/2022 12:46

I think it would be a rash decision to leave over this without getting counselling. There will be a root cause of this, something going on in his thought processes/ his own anxieties or insecurity, and you should get help to talk through it rationally together before making big decisions. X

Tallisimo · 23/04/2022 13:01

Sure, go to counselling - if you can persuade him to go. From what you’ve said I would guess he’ll refuse because he doesn’t see himself as having a problem.

Swipe left for the next trending thread