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Would you finally end this?

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LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 14:23

To begin with, I feel somewhat awful speaking negatively about him. He is a good soul, and whatever his shortcomings may be, I would never see him hurt.

That said, we have been in a partnership for 26 years. We didnt want to have kids, or buy a house, so have been happily renting and living where we like as self employed creatives for most of this time. This has been no problem for us, although I must admit to wanting to share more responsibilities with each other as we get older (I am 47, he is 57).

We have a baseline of great trust and love, which I know will remain if we become 'just friends', however difficult it might be to make the move.

OK, here comes the trouble: I think we may no longer be compatible. Since the loss of my parents in the past 7 years, and various other changes, I have grown into the idea of us actually living together officially (we do this anyway more or less, but both rent different houses with separate finances - this was always good with us, previously).

For the past few years I have worked pretty hard to get myself a lovely place in the Lakes, am gaining more work experience there and trying to expand my self employment. I had thought at some point he would want to join me. It is my dream place, he says he adores it, however....
He lives miles away in a very depressed place, with lots of social issues because the rent is low. He has been there for 15yrs now and the place is falling to bits, to the point I can barely use many of the fixtures without help - bath, back door, etc. He does not report these, and the owners are too laid back to care. THIS is the least of my problem!

His reason not to come with me is that he is used to being there, has local links to his colleagues and simply doesn't like change. It truly is miserable there, very spartan, we don't 'fit in', and his only focus is his work. There is nothing else to do there, most businesses are folding, no culture or prospects, the residents are troubled or struggling with poverty and issues, sadly.
He is a very talented composer, not famous, but sadly won't push his work far enough. I have never criticised this, but it seems strange. I encourage and adore his work, as he does mine.

But if I don't bring it up, he never mentions making a will (he has a moderate amount of savings whilst I have quite a bit more). He SAYS he wants to leave the place, eventually, and live with me properly, but this would affect the small bit of housing help he gets from the council. I am fully financially independent (no assistance, etc) and would have been happy for him to join forces with me as we worked towards a future together, which means I am happy to pay our rent. it is almost as if this dependency upon the fragile balance of his affairs is more important to him. Long and short of it is, he shows little active interest, regardless always insisting he cares. He won't move towards me or plan any kind of full partnership.

It seems he would never leave that house, even though he is quite miserable there. Ive never understood this, but it is like there is no will or motivation to try. As if he can't break from the habits of a lifetime, with no real push to make our lives better in the future.

I am a chatty type, I love to be alone but enjoy good company. I share ideas, dreams, observations, passions, etc. As he ages he no longer does this with me, and most of our evening - before covid, too - he spends on YouTube enjoying hobby related videos. This is nice, but he rarely has anything to share with me at all, no ideas, plans, anything. Over time I wondered if I was going a bit insane, but in the last year or two I have been trying to talk to him about it.
It always goes badly, in fact, this is an age-old pattern - he is emotionally present for a few years then seems to just cut off from me. This has been going on since I meant him. This is also the reason I never officially lived with him for long, as after a few years he would seem to want out.

And then we always stay close friends, which after a few more years sees us back together, so he has possibly got used to this, but it is starting to feel disastrous to me, as if his emotional intelligence is ....arrested or something.

Like I say, he is a good man, and I know that he cares very deeply for me, he makes me feel loved, beautiful and desired.
It is worth mentioning that I have never wanted to financially depend upon a man, I do not subscribe to the belief that a man with less money than myself is worthless - so those elements are not my concern - but at this point in my life I think we ought to be more secure in our plans, combined dreams, our chatter and our idea of home. I do need more than this.

Since last weekend, he has gone into one of those distant cycles again, and I can barely reach him. All over a very minor, trivial disagreement. He has barely spoken to me, although is friendly when he does. But the intimacy has just gone. I have been here before, only 7 years ago, and it seems this pattern just repeats.

I have inherited a small bit of money after my parents house was sold, we are hopefully heading out of lockdown at some point. I feel differently these days and want so much more than this. I feel terrible for thinking like that but if I stay with him I can't see a damn thing changing. He is either stubborn or in denial constantly, he defends himself when not being attacked, I have no idea if it is depression or whether we have simply outgrown each other.

Sorry for the length. This is an old problem (most of my adult life!!) and it is difficult to squeeze it all into a single OP).

Any thoughts and suggestions are truly welcome. Thanks:)

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RachelRoth · 27/03/2021 14:26

Be sounds lazy and boring. Not sure that would interest me at all

CrisisManagement · 27/03/2021 14:35

Could you stop going to his home? This would very much put the ball in his court. If you're less available, you could see if it snaps him out of his current mood and if he bothers to reach out to you and make an effort.

LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 14:36

@RachelRoth

Be sounds lazy and boring. Not sure that would interest me at all
I can appreciate I many have come over that way in my OP but he is absolutely not lazy. He is a very active, helpful guy who isn't afraid of work. He works himself silly, perhaps just not emotionally - with me Sad
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PersimmonTree · 27/03/2021 14:40

Your plans sound exciting.

No need to introduce negatives into it or talk about splitting up. Just tell him you're doing what you're doing, and go and do it.

He'll work out for himself what he wants. If that involves sitting in a ramshackle house by himself watching the doors fall off, that's what he's going to do...

LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 14:41

@CrisisManagement

Could you stop going to his home? This would very much put the ball in his court. If you're less available, you could see if it snaps him out of his current mood and if he bothers to reach out to you and make an effort.
This would absolutely happen, it has happened before. I can largely predict it now, but I don't want to be caught in a Groundhog Day with him forever, having to make him miss me to want me again.

He never reaches out to me any more, doesn't appeal to me to talk or fix conflict. ive only recently realised this is a bad sign. After a small conflict I usually always spend about 12 doing strenuous emotional labour to fix stuff. He sits there, agreeing.
This time I allowed to to just flow, and he has not bothered with me for an entire week!

ive been staying with him in his home since last march as only returning to mine after lockdowns. Perhaps I really need to just make a move as soon as possible.

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Dontbeme · 27/03/2021 14:45

26 years, no marriage no children, not living together, in what way has this relationship progressed OP? What do you actually share? It seems like he is keeping one foot out the door at all times ( for whatever reason) but with the loss of your parents in recent years and now changes enforced by lockdown you are having a think about the kind of life you really want and what you have now isn't it. Neither of you is wrong, just different and you have to decide what you want more for your future - more of the same with him or changes that will make you secure and happy.

litterbird · 27/03/2021 14:45

I am with a musician and composer (in his 60s)...I know exactly what you are going through. With all his tendencies etc etc. He lives, thankfully in a very remote beautiful home and is renting. He is ensconced there and I have had to come to accept he likes to be cut off, doesn't want to socialise with me but will happily tour the world with the band and chat to his fans remotely on social media. He works damn hard but not emotionally with me. He goes into distant cycles too. Thankfully my life is so full and happy I have come to accept it. He contacts me daily, we laugh a lot, he is very intense with his composing but again, lacks emotional intelligence with me and his other girlfriends. I made a list of all his traits and googled them. He has traits of high functioning Aspergers/autism. Once I found out about it I became fully aware of what I was up against. Its made a huge difference to me and how I communicate with him and what to expect and what not to expect. I still and querying whether this is a long term relationship I want to keep going but for now he is kind, ,makes me laugh, when I am with him he makes me feel special....so for now that will be ok.

Ikeameatballs · 27/03/2021 14:46

I think that there is nothing wrong with saying that you want something different.

You sound like you have grown apart as a couple, whilst I know you are perhaps now looking for a more “settled” sort of life actually it seems like it his outlook on life that has narrowed whilst yours has widened, or at least moved away from his.

I think that you should do what you want now, by a property, focus on your employment/career, do what is right for you.

litterbird · 27/03/2021 14:47

....I meant his other ex girlfriends...he told me how they separated...he couldn't give them marriage or children as didn't want to distract from his passion and hated change.

LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 14:54

@litterbird

....I meant his other ex girlfriends...he told me how they separated...he couldn't give them marriage or children as didn't want to distract from his passion and hated change.
Ah, sort of similar, at least a little. The not having kids bit was fortunate for us as it would have been disastrous had one of us disagreed on that. It certainly would have narrowed our dating pool otherwise, when we were younger.

The difficult thing here is that he insists he is like me, wants to move forward, but there is literally 0% evidence of him actually doing anything. Just to bring the subject up would be a miracle for him.

Yeh, I think we have outgrown one another, really. I also think there are undressed issues, of depression, anger from his past, etc. I have worked hard to grow my self-awareness in the past decade and feel years ahead of him. It makes me sad. I dearly love him, but thinking perhaps you can love someone and set them free.

Your relationship sounds great, in that you are both transparent with each other and accept who you are. I tend to live this way, too, but it isn't his lifestyle that worries me, it is the lack of interest in his own.

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Sleepingdogs12 · 27/03/2021 14:54

This sounds exhausting for you. Are you sure if you live together it will be any different. You will just be in the same location , is that enough for you? It sounds such a sad situation. I think you need to grasp life while you can otherwise you will carry on in this limbo land and come to the same point again a few years on. I would move to your home and get on with your life hard as it may be.

LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 14:59

@Ikeameatballs

I think that there is nothing wrong with saying that you want something different.

You sound like you have grown apart as a couple, whilst I know you are perhaps now looking for a more “settled” sort of life actually it seems like it his outlook on life that has narrowed whilst yours has widened, or at least moved away from his.

I think that you should do what you want now, by a property, focus on your employment/career, do what is right for you.

That's interesting. He does not seem to believe in himself, I feel. Perhaps he doesn't think he is worthy or capable, so retreats into a sense of failure? I don't know. I definitely suspect some form of depression, because I know deep down he hates where he is and how it ended up. It's like he has wound himself in to a protective web and won't come out.

I have tried to boost his confidence, told him how great he is, that he is worthy of all that he wants, but it is like trying to get a reaction out of a stone. He goes along with it, but nothing alters.

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CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 27/03/2021 15:00

It does seem to me as if the relationship has just run its course. That does not stop you meeting from time to time, speaking to each other, and having the memory of all the good things and times you have had together.

LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 15:02

@Sleepingdogs12

This sounds exhausting for you. Are you sure if you live together it will be any different. You will just be in the same location , is that enough for you? It sounds such a sad situation. I think you need to grasp life while you can otherwise you will carry on in this limbo land and come to the same point again a few years on. I would move to your home and get on with your life hard as it may be.
This is my only course of action. I am a bit afraid, because I will be living where I have no proper connections yet, even though I had begun to make strides before covid.

It is scary to just let go, to have nobody run over to me when I am unwell or stressed out. I do need to work on my courage!

I have one sister, ok but not super close. My closest friend is working on a welsh peninsula, and the few others I have are friends of my partner and I, so possibly won't see as much of them:(

Isolating, but oddly exciting to think about throwing myself out there as a sort of fresh start. Ok, its terrifying.

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LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 15:06

and yes, the emotional weight of trying to fix it and communicate is exhausting me to death. I asked him a while ago to please try to take on at least some of that responsibility and he just said 'I will, I promise'.

...then sound of crickets, chirping......

nope.

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litterbird · 27/03/2021 15:08

@LetSophieGo

and yes, the emotional weight of trying to fix it and communicate is exhausting me to death. I asked him a while ago to please try to take on at least some of that responsibility and he just said 'I will, I promise'.

...then sound of crickets, chirping......

nope.

Bless you....it is difficult to let go but you are freeing yourself to live your full and large life which, by the sounds of it, would be a place your partner doesn't want to engage in. I totally get the sound of crickets chirping with mine!
LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 15:36

It is hard to ditch from it.

when I look around at his things, think about his ways and strange little quirks, it feels absolutely devastating to consider leaving it behind. I know we can salvage a good bond from this, but it still really hurts. I always consider us to be like tow little odd socks that fit together so well.

but there have always been this ever present issues, and I think that at this point in my life, I can't ignore my growing concern about them. We seem to be becoming more disengaged, and as I try harder to fix that, I just become more and more worn out.

I just think, surely it is unacceptable to barely speak to your lover in a whole week, in the same house, unless it is to offer them a cup of tea or ask what they're having for dinner. I am certain that if he felt any sensitivity towards me he would have reached out a hand to me by now, try to talk, or even just hug. It's so depressing to face it.

He is also slowly dropping 'habits' that are signs of our love, little silly things that were a token of our intimacy. Like he is drifting off in a small boat, getting further away from the shore (me).

I feel hurt now, even though I have seen this for a while. I suddenly feel grief and terror and shock. One thing is for certain, I can't continue like this, and seeing as we have had that convo a million times, it is time to let him go:(

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LetSophieGo · 27/03/2021 15:36

god, apologies for spelling errors, my keyboard can't keep up with me!

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