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Sharing my toxic experience to save anyone else

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Icantthinkofanewnameah · 23/03/2021 11:47

6 months ago I met "tom". He wasn't the best looking and clearly was older than me. But the way he spoke to me and said good morning made me feel special. He was polite but would also joke about with me which felt like the perfect balance.

I added tom on Facebook. He messaged me as soon as he had added me. Within the hour he had told me how beautiful I was. How much he liked me. I told him I had liked him too.

I fully expected tom to get bored within a week or two. He was 47 and I was 32. Although I also hoped he would be keen to keep me. He was intense in that first week. Lots of flirting. Compliments. Constant contact. But on the first weekend his brought up his ex "Jane". Jane was the girl in alot of his photos. She was ten years younger. Attractive and they looked happy. They apparently had turned into brother and sister and fizzled out. But Jane still visited him often. He jokingly asked me if I was jealous. Red flag number one.

I was put off at this stage and that night I couldn't sleep. Only for him to charm his way back in the next day. A few more days on we had our first meet. We sat in his garden for 3 hours talking. He brought up lots of things about his past. He was an ex drinker. Depressed. He also brought up a women he had a brief fling with after Jane. He told me she stalked him still and would say she loved him. This women Anna was brought up on and off throughout our time together. She was always "stalking" and he was always "blocking her" red flag number two.

As time went on he loved me fast. He sent me gifts. He started telling me when he had no money left and it wasn't quite pay day. At first he declined my offer of £30 here and there for a couple of days. But then he greatfully borrowed £100 here and £50 there. To be fair he paid it back within a few days on pay day. But I trusted him and felt like his reasons were genuine.

I was starting to feel things in my gut. Women suddenly being removed from his Facebook. No relationship with his mum and dad. No relationship with his sister's. Still had his ex's photos in his house up on the walls. Still mentioned his ex most weeks. Sometimes for good memories. Sometimes for a rant about her. Why was he still so invested in her after 2 years? I started looking in her Facebook. It was bothering me. As I scrolled I found him saying the same things to her and the same pet names. I noticed she went out and away without him alot. I noticed she also hasn't had any relationships in the last two years either. She still had old profile photos of them on there. I tried to forget it. But he started mentioning she had expressed regret and was hinting at trying again. My heart sank. But he insisted she was a friend and he would never go back there. He took her photos down. Put them back up. Continued called Anna a stalker every now and then. He'd mention that she had been in touch (I thought she was blocked)

Along with all this drama with his ex's. He started putting me down. He still told me I was gorgeous. I was beautiful. He loved me for this and that. But comments about my hair began. Did he want me more like Jane? He sent me nail varnish. The same colour his ex had on some of his photos. Then he said he wanted me to tan (I'm pale and can't) his ex tanned. He then started asking me about my sahm status. Putting mums down who stay home. Making me feel like I was sad for not working. But then he would chip away at me further by saying he wanted to make me confident as he said I was lacking (I wonder why)

As time went on I on three occasions was on the end of him shouting down the phone and ending it. He swore and got real mad. All I had asked was if he wanted some time to himself. He was constantly in touch with me. Phoning. Texting. Not many hours went without contact. I asked him if he wanted my children in his life eventually. He got angry because I had asked before. He shut me down and gave me the silent treatment.

At this stage I was done. I was put off. He was a stroppy selfish man who seemed to be allowed to whinge and moan about his problems but I was expected to just be happy and positive. He sucked me back in one last time in January. He barked what he wanted me to stop saying then we started again. In that six weeks I felt like we got closer and closer. Regretful now but we started sending graphic photos to eachother. I told him alot of personal things. We were getting to a really good place it felt. Then he added Amie onto his Facebook. Amie was new. Never mentioned before and he started liking all her photos. She was clearly my age. I couldn't see any connection. So I calmly asked who she was as I noticed he was liking her photos in the night. He deleted her straight away and told me I was the only women he had time for. I was confused. Who was she then? Why the fast delete? The next day he sent me a sexy outfit to wear that was the same colour and style as the one she was wearing in her photo. I felt sick. Then he started saying he had a secretary fantasy. She was one and wore the thick framed glasses etc. He started sending me outfits with women wearing those glasses to look at. I felt sick again. He always claimed he hated tacky costumes in the bedroom. I called him. I didn't get my first sentence out about Amie before he dumped me. Called me insecure. Said I had done him and he was done. My heart was racing as he hug up. I went to a friend's for a coffee and poured it all out.

When I got home I decided I needed answers and he wouldn't give me them. So I contacted Anna. It turned out Anna wasn't a stalker. She had left her husband for Tom. She had been well and truly played by Tom for the last two years. He was picking her up and dropping her and in constant contact when he was. He was telling her he loved her and would be with her soon. She had never heard of me. She told me how Jane had been in touch with her two years ago when she was supposed to have been in a relationship with tom. He was still trying to make things with Jane work whilst faking s future with Anna. Both women kept in touch and swapped stories. But both women are still in his life now.

It's obvious that he is obsessed with Jane still. Yet he spent years cheating on Jane. She's still the women he can't get over (hence the photos) but he is still chasing other women whilst being in love with Jane before.

After speaking with Anna this last week. We've both noticed he's put us down to be more like Jane. He was playing us both the same and using us. He's since paid me my money he owed back but refused to thank me.

It's been two weeks today and I still can't believe someone as smart as me (usually) was sucked in so easily. So I just want to share my story (a very brief version there's alot more) to warn other women.

If they love bomb you. Fall in love fast. Send you gifts and make you feel like you was the first women they've ever loved like this. If they call you their soulmate etc. Don't fall for it. Please don't.

If theirs an ex lurking in the background. Walk away. Whilst he still has photos of his ex up he's not over her and whilst he's still in regular contact he's not over her. You will never fill her shoes so don't try.

If he starts trying to change you. Run!! It can be really subtle. For me he preferred my hair up and I mostly had it down. He also wanted Anna to have nails like Jane. If a man wants you to change your appearance when you are barely even his date run away.

If you notice there's always a women drama with him and he plays victim. Run. Nobody gets harrased like that. He was always stalked by crazy women. There was more than one story! It will be him. They turn into crazy women when they catch him out or don't take the sudden contact cut well. He got his cousin to tell one of his stalkers off because he had broken her heart and she kept calling. (Don't ever call them) just ignore them.

The last two weeks I've been up and down. Sad, angry, embarassed, confused. But I got out before he got worse! I could have put my children in that man's life. I didn't see what was happening at first. Then my gut was screaming at me.

I hope this post helps one other women walk away from a player in disguise. The smartest women can be sucked in and it's an awful place to be. I've been so anxious the last few months. Up and down. I've never experienced anything like it. Now I realise he had made me obsessed with him and he was 24/7 my priority.

Toxic men are very hard to spot at first and I learned the hard way.

OP posts:
Lindyhoppity · 23/03/2021 11:59

At least you got out. Stay strong and block him. X

Wanderlusto · 23/03/2021 12:01

Funily enough op by the time you get to redflag number 2 theres actually been about 5 more flags that I can see.

Lovebombing galore, depressed, 'ex' drinker (aye right), arguably the huge age gap especially coupled with the fact that his ex was a lot younger than him too.

Good on you for sharing your story op. But please work on how too spot them more too! Because this one had alarm bells written all over him.

autumnalrain · 23/03/2021 12:23

Tbh OP there were so many red flags, I’m surprised your world didn’t turn into a sea of red. I suspect you probably chose to look past a lot of them because you liked the attention.

Thanks for sharing your story, but if I’m honest I do think your complacency added to the drama!

thosetalesofunexpected · 23/03/2021 12:26

Also work on your self esteem

Go into having having some good Counselling Therapy's sessions
Find out where your low self esteem issues come from,
Gain insight then,
and you will stronger to put in emotional boundaries to protect yoursf better !

All CBT (Cognitive behavioural Therepy could be beneficial too

Look on internet to find different kinds of therapies .
Best of Luck
Take care Daffodil x

thecatsarecrazy · 23/03/2021 12:45

So sorry op. Classic narc, love bombing, devalue and the woe is me but I don't want to hear anything from you...
I have been chatting with a guy for 7 months. Like him it started with compliments, saying I was beautiful, hadn't felt this way for a long time..
Then it became sexual but not nice talk, degrading. The gifts he sent me were toys he wanted to see me use. Not anything nice or thoughtful. Earlier he said he wants to use my face to wank with. Absolutely disgusting and degrading. I'm so glad you have managed to get out of it.

siyhack58342 · 23/03/2021 12:48

Thanks for sharing, though am not sure what attracted you to him apart from him speaking to you nicely? Might be good to think about what you want from a partner rather than just liking people because they like you if you see what I mean.

withinacceptabletolerances · 23/03/2021 15:09

The responses on here are sad. OP shared a difficult and personal story to try to help others and all anyone can say is that she should have seen it coming? Or she should have counselling etc. Victim blaming much. I'm sorry you had this experience OP and thanks for thinking of others...

Icantthinkofanewnameah · 23/03/2021 15:16

It's easy to judge. I've always had healthy relationships. My parents are happily married too. All I was guilty of was being attracted to his confidence and compliments. It was nice to be noticed and appreciated. He was good at conversation. Funny. Kind and all the rest. It felt really healthy and balanced.

I didn't see his past drink problem as a reason to worry as he was sober and working full time. Now I know alot more about his behaviour in the past etc I can make a real judgement. But I could only go of the parts he showed me. It was over time he slipped up and my instincts kicked in.

I just wanted to put this out for people who were in the same boat and I appreciate that to alot of people its simple. But it wasn't when I was in the thick of it all.

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WisnaeMe · 23/03/2021 15:25

well done OP 🌺

Malwithoutbec · 23/03/2021 15:44

What a relief you got rid of this toxic man!
Enjoy life now and remind yourself how lucky you were to get away.

A lot of women are not so lucky and end up living together with psychos like these.

Nobody can live with that level of drama in their lives. These people are not happy and will never be, they just want to control others and play with them.

Ruminating2020 · 23/03/2021 15:46

Well done for getting out op. I wish you all the best with your recovery.

Tigerchips · 23/03/2021 15:54

"I asked him if he wanted my children in his life eventually."

After 760 red flags - this is not the question you ask!

MarshmallowAra · 23/03/2021 15:55

There's a chapter in "he's just not that into you" (a cheesily titled but surprisingly excellent book) called "Two many queens in the castle" that comes to mind when you describe any situation with multiple women (exes, "friends", on offs, randoms) etc on the scene.

2020iscancelled · 23/03/2021 15:59

Sorry you had to go through this OP.

Something which has become apparent to me and it’s not just in relationships but in all parts of our lives and decisions which need to be made etc

= if something isn’t a clear yes then it is a no.

If you are umming and aaahhhing over whether someone is legit then it’s a no.

If you are in two minds then it’s a no.

Be true to yourself and have the strength to turn things down if they don’t feel absolutely right to you. This includes people.

Don’t waste anymore time on this person - you’ve made the right choice to end it now you can choose to stop feeling so miserable too.

SausageCrush · 23/03/2021 16:08

Thank you for sharing your story.
I hope your next relationship is much more positive Thanks

Missusblusky1 · 23/03/2021 16:12

Thank you for your post OP. I’ve sent you a pm, I know what you’re going through right now. It’s a horrible time but you’ll get through this x

LivBa · 23/03/2021 18:54

There was an interesting thread about big age gaps recently. A lot of these men are quite predatory and they go for much younger women for a reason.

Glad you're out OP!

Instamaticgreenery · 23/03/2021 22:08

Thank you for sharing. I was in a similar situation a year ago. I don't have many regrets in my life, but I do regret how I got so very sucked in by this narc.

Be kind to yourself Thanks

Icantthinkofanewnameah · 24/03/2021 13:22

Thanks for the replies. It's something I never expected to ever happen to me. I didn't see it coming. He's messed me up in a massive way. Everyday im going through different emotions.

Sad and angry. The reality that everything I had thought we would be will never be.

I used to imagine this life where he would come home to me and we would just be so happy in eachothers company. I had this whole Vision. .

He's got nothing going for him. He's skint. No family around him. He's alone and full of anger. Obsessed with his ex.
.
His ex has also continued to stay in his life and I have no idea why after finally getting away from him. I think she has tried to make herself feel better knowing he still has feelings for her.

He's going to die alone and I feel now he won't even make it to old age. I'm almost sad for him. But I know thats because I'm still getting over him and what I thought he was.

Anyone who's been where I have will understand how easy they suck you in

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Closetbeanmuncher · 24/03/2021 19:50

Don't go back again OP, that is one fucking carcrash of a human being.

He's a basketcase and a half that one 😂

greenandblue432 · 25/03/2021 12:46

Something that would have definitely put me off this guy from day one is that he seemed to have a very active life on Facebook. I'm sorry, but that sounds very "teenager" to me. it's OK for a 16 year old to do that, but for an adult....

I don't have a lot of time for people who "have a life" on Facebook. I prefer people who live in the real world and communicate with friends, family and exes in the real world, or privately, via WhatsApp, for example.

Facebook seems to me really show off, like he wanted you to know what he was up to but pretending all along it wasn't a big deal. It is. Every form of communication you have on Facebook matters and you're doing it because you want other people to know, you care about your image.

He sounds really toxic and manipulative, plus his Facebook life would have been a huge turn off for me.

AmyLou100 · 25/03/2021 13:24

Funily enough op by the time you get to redflag number 2 theres actually been about 5 more flags that I can see.

Op I would rather ask why you ignored so many red flags? Almost from the very start. To me that says there was a lack of boundariesfrom your side. Good that you finally got out.

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