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Narcissistic mother

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Melsgirl1946 · 23/03/2021 01:28

My mother is 75 and we’ve been estranged for a few years. She is a narcissist and I have had to avoid contact with her for my own sanity. My father passed away 11 years ago from bowel cancer. Before and after he died I would drop everything to make sure she was okay. I would drive her to the hospital to see him. I lived nearly 2 hours from them so it would be a really long day. I would take time off work and away from from my husband and 2 children as she didn’t like driving. I was happy to do it and a few years after my dad passed away she came to live in the village that we lived in. She became very much part of our life, she came on family holidays, she would come round for dinner, for Christmas, Easter, in fact any event that we had, she would be invited. She has always been very direct and a little rude but about 5 or 6 years ago she started to become extremely rude, almost as though she had no filter. She started on a series of relationships and even had a relationship with a couple of married men. I was really upset about this and our relationship was really beginning to suffer.

She was rude to people in the shops, talked about people. I feel that she really thought that she was perfect whilst everyone else was flawed and I started to avoid inviting her over. Once I began to get my confidence and start to put myself and my family first our relationship really did begin to decline. We tried on a few occasions to talk things through but every time I said I felt a certain way she would say that she felt the same. We were at a stalemate, so I stopped contact altogether. When the pandemic hit I did get in touch and asked if she needed me to talk her through doing an online food shop. She said that she couldn’t do it as we had set her iPad up incorrectly. Also she had lied to my aunt that we had refused to help her update her kindle. It was all lies as we had updated her kindle (5 times) with her new bank card but for some reason it hadn’t worked so she took that as an opportunity to say that we flatly refused to help her. She even came round one day and asked my husband to look at her car as there was a problem with the windscreen wipers. Knowing what she was like my husband was reluctant to touch her car as he’s not a mechanic and suggested she pop it into the local garage as they would sort out little issues foc. She then complained to me and said my husband had told her to take it to the bloody garage and that he had been rude to her. He wasn’t rude and he just doesn’t talk like that, that’s her language so I knew she was lying. I know these things seem trivial but they all add up to really making the atmosphere quite unbearable. We’ve invited her round for a bbq before and when she didn’t like something she would say it was disgusting and chuck it on my plate.
So during the pandemic she didn’t stick to the rules, continued to see her boyfriend who lives elsewhere. We had no contact apart from birthdays and Christmas. My husband had a significant birthday last year and she didn’t acknowledge it and she also ignored his birthday the year before. So all of this was fine, we have been doing okay without her in our lives. My 2 daughters have nothing to do with her because she can say nasty things to them too. My youngest is at university and my mum has never said well done. My eldest lives in London and my mum has made it quite clear that’s she disappointed that they have both had an education and are starting on their careers. She thinks they should be married and settled with children. For the record I got married at 19 years old as I was told in no uncertain terms that was what was expected of me.
So forward to about a month ago and she gets in contact and decides that we need to start afresh with no blame either way. I asked how this was possible and she just repeated that she wants to start afresh. I feel completely drained. I agreed to give it a go and have seen her for 2 half hour walks and once on Mother’s Day to drop off a card and present. Today I get a phone call to say that she has some very bad news. She said she thinks she has cancer. Bowel cancer, like my dad had. Basically she has had a test and is being referred for a colonoscopy. I said that she would probably be fine even if is was something as it had clearly been caught early as she had a clear test 3 years ago. Here’s this kicker, she has asked if I can take her to her appointment. Ironically my husband said she was only back in contact because she needed a lift to the hospital and now it appears that was her intentions. I just feel so flat. I was happy in my uncomplicated life before she came back into it. I’ve recently started a 3 year fine art degree (which she thinks is ridiculous and has even asked last week if I was planning on using my degree for a job). Do I let her back in or do I say that I can’t commit to driving her to the hospital. I do feel that I need to put myself first but I don’t want to feel the ramifications in years to come.

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Bonheurdupasse · 23/03/2021 06:55

Keep your distance.
Definitely don’t commit to driving her to the hospital.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/03/2021 07:55

Do not let her back into your life.

It is not possible to have any sort of relationship with a narcissistic mother. Some toxic people as well use potential health issues merely as a way of further controlling their chosen target, in this case you. She started to sucker you back in when she stated that she wanted to start afresh. That was when you should have run far and fast in the opposite direction!. She is setting you up here for something nasty and she will continue to treat you like dirt.

As the previous poster has written keep your distance here, both mental and physical. Do not commit to drive her to the hospital and maintain firm boundaries which should also be consistently applied.
Would also suggest you read and post on the current "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these Relationships pages and read "Children of the Self Absorbed" by Nina Brown.

Melsgirl1946 · 23/03/2021 10:26

I did feel that she would use a health issue to draw me back as I had helped her and been there throughout my dads illness. I cannot believe she has chosen the same illness though. That’s interesting that she could be setting me up for something nasty, I will definitely avoid taking her to the hospital and keep my boundaries very firm. Thank you, I think I needed to hear from others, guilt and loyalty always drag me back into these situations.

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Purplecatshopaholic · 23/03/2021 10:40

Don’t let her drag you back in op. She’s only wanting to use you as you can be useful to her. Read back what you have said above - she has been unpleasant to you and your husband. You managed to make the break - I would keep it that way.

GeidiPrimes · 23/03/2021 10:42

Hi OP, I have a narcissistic mother too. My life has improved greatly (esp my mental health) now she's no longer in it. I think the alternate reality they create for themselves just makes it impossible to have a relationship with them. My own mother wanted to buy me a car so I could drive her to appointments - she lives six hours drive from me!

Wanderlusto · 23/03/2021 10:50

I think I'd call her bluff and be like "I will drive you to the first one - but I'll be coming into the appointment with you".

Or I'd literally just go "Illness? Damn, I owe my partner twenty quid. I bet you would go for evil neighbours out to get you. Pull the other one you manipulative old trout! I'm done. We're done. Do sod off and never contact us again!".

She could be setting you up to move in with you btw.

Though it is possible she is ill and needed the lifts like your partner suggested. Either way I'd gonout of my way to catch her out, call her on it and walk away permanently. Or at least the later.

noirchatsdeux · 23/03/2021 13:07

I've posted on here many times about my mother - she's a narcissist too. I also got married very young (just 21) as it was 'expected'...when I started the first steps in my dream job 6 months later my mother openly expressed her disappointment that I wasn't pregnant...even though I'd been telling her for years I wouldn't be having children (and I haven't).

I moved to the other side of the world from her when I was 25. I'd been diagnosed as bipolar and had made the mistake of letting her live with me after my divorce at 23. I ended up having a massive nervous breakdown and attempting suicide due to the way she was...moving that far away from my home country was a huge step but it was the only way I could make sure she wouldn't have any real influence over me or my life.

That was nearly 30 years ago and I've only seen her twice since then. I've not seen her in 11 years now and contact is limited to a phone call every couple of months or so. This very limited contact suits me.

A clear 'no, I can't take you to your appointment' is what is needed here. I'd also demand proof of any illness (if any) that is diagnosed from these tests...

whatisforteamum · 23/03/2021 13:29

I feel for you.Im sure my dm is narc from what I can read on here.My siblings cut her off yrs ago for all of her spitefulness and interfering.
When she and df had cancer she had to have it worse didn't she.For yrs we were manipulated by emotional blackmail.
Since df died my dh helped her loads,DIY,shopping garden centres you name it he got sick of it.her shed roof blew off in Feb.She asked dh to replace it.When he didn't jump straight away she got a man in then got snippy with me that my dh didn't rush straight round!
These people have NO consideration for others.So entitled about everything.I probably would take my dm to a hospital appointment unless her boyfriend could go for some support.
I would keep some distance of getting sucked in though.

Sssloou · 23/03/2021 13:47

This will just me more manipulation and exploitation with some insults and subjugation along the way.

It costs you and your family dear to be connected to her - time, stress, hurt, preoccupation with her game playing.

Keep out of punching distance and don’t let her emotionally drain your finite energy - conserve it for yourself, your DH and DDs.

FOG - fear, obligation and guilt is what she is trapping you in. Walk away.

With guilt who cares what she thinks of your actions or decisions - she doesn’t care what you think of her behaviours.....who cares if aunt Betty, a random neighbour or a flying monkey friend of hers criticises you - just weather it - they have not lived your life. If they feel so strongly they can pick up the pieces.

No need for any dramatics or to respond to the inevitable volatility from her - just go right back to NC. Don’t explain. She knows she was grooming you and now you are clear what for.

Honestly walk sooner rather than later. If it’s nothing fine - if it’s something she could spin this out 24/7 - you don’t want to be part of that. She doesn’t deserve you and you deserve better at this time in your life.

lazylump72 · 23/03/2021 17:49

if all she wants you for is lifts Op I would not go back to it. Let the boyfriend do it.

Melsgirl1946 · 23/03/2021 18:24

Her boyfriend doesn’t drive which is why she needs me. She has gone from not wanting to drive and having me drive everywhere to having this boyfriend who she now has to drive about. She always claimed she couldn’t drive very far so when she wanted a new kitchen I took her so that she could look around and chose the style, tiles etc. Same as when she got a new car, same for all of her blinds and curtains which my husband put up for her. Now there is very little contact she miraculously can drive...I can’t even put into words the amount of things we’ve done for her and this is how she treats us.

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GoLightlyontheEarth · 23/03/2021 18:48

I am another one with a mother like this. I would also advise keeping your distance and not taking her to the appointment. She doesn’t value you, just what you can do for her.

Sssloou · 23/03/2021 19:22

She doesn’t need you to drive her and how you then go into the details of how she can drive indicates (understandably with the FOG she has you in) that you need to justify your decision of “No” - your mind should not be dragged into doubt to explain it.

It’s not your concern. Keep practicing that. No doubt she will kick off. Just hang up, walk away, block whatever - see it as a tantrum that you don’t have to weather.....not something to be afraid of or do stuff to avoid her kicking off. Who cares if she kicks off - you won’t be around to hear it.

She can get a taxi accompanied by her BF.

Or she can ask for hospital volunteer driver.

MsJinks · 23/03/2021 19:40

Hi - you mention ‘no filter’ in the last few years - this is often part of our brain losing cells and often the worst traits we have are emphasised- it may also explain the boyfriends as inhibitors drop too.
This isn’t to say you should run her about, give in to demands - just a possible cause for the worsening of her behaviour. Look after yourself first and foremost still.

Melsgirl1946 · 24/03/2021 20:08

So my mum has just called and she has a Saturday appointment. I can’t use uni as an excuse now and I was flummoxed as to what to say. I said I would check my diary and get back to her.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/03/2021 20:12

Say no it’s not possible and do not further engage with her under any circumstances. Do not further JADE here I.e justify, argue p, defend or explain your decision.

ExtraordinaryQuince · 24/03/2021 20:15

Have a sore throat and cough tomorrow.

Bonheurdupasse · 24/03/2021 21:09

Text her that you can’t and block her.

Get your DH to block her too.

SometimesIwish · 24/03/2021 21:37

I have a narc M and have, after years of abuse and manipulation, been NC for a good while now and my mental health and quality of life has improved so much it is amazing.

My honest advice to you would be to go NC if you can, but, if you still cannot quite break the F-O-G cycle, book her a taxi and pay for it in advance - then send her a text message or email with the details ( so you have a record with date and time stamp which cannot be disputed later by anyone).

You can then feel good in yourself knowing you have helped her as she has demanded, but in a way which allows you to keep her at arm's length and which is better for your own mental health.

I wish you the best of luck!

Sssloou · 24/03/2021 22:25

I said I would check my diary and get back to her.

Well done on using this technique when flummoxed.

You did well to but down a boundary and buy time.

This is a cross roads now.

Think carefully which way you will go and where it will lead you.

Listen to your gut.

Be brave.

workingitout75 · 28/01/2024 22:37

How are things these days OP?
How are you?

Melsgirl1946 · 21/08/2024 03:35

Thank you @workingitout75 for asking. It’s not great, we have no contact apart from cards at Christmas and birthdays and Mother’s Day. I completed my degree and am doing a job I really love. I’m sad that we’re estranged but I’m incredibly happy and have no desire to be part of a controlling mother/daughter relationship. I want to show my daughters the correct way to behave in a family where love is unconditional and without judgement and nastiness. So I keep well away from her. It’s very sad but I need to keep myself safe and happy.

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