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Insecure and jealous

31 replies

Etherel · 18/03/2021 18:17

NC. And I know I'm probably being completely unreasonable.

So my partner of 1 year has two close female friends. One ex girlfriend (until a few months prior to our relationship) and one sort-of-ex from his childhood, whom he occasionally had sexual contact with - the last time while we were not being exclusive, about 3 months into where we started. He also has a close male friend, so his circle isn't exclusively female, but these 3 are what he'd class as his close friends.

He has frequent contact with both women, via phone - both live a good drive away. They talk on the phone for an hour a so about once a week. In non-lockdown times they'd sleep over at his. The last time this happened, we were not fully exclusive yet and sexual contact (not full-on sex) happened with the long-time friend. I made it very clear afterwards I wanted to be exclusive. The other woman slept over a few weeks later and I was in bits most of the weekend, though he assured me a LOT that nothing had happened.

The thing is, I am very uncomfortable with their contact. He has a high need of communication and will phone me almost daily and see me several times a week, either at mine or at his. I have met his family, we are Facebook official (I know...) and both women are well aware of me. I am due to meet them whenever lockdown lift and they can meet up.

The thing is, I don't want to. When he had sexual contact with his friend, I was very upset and I only recently actually allowed myself to cry about it in front of him. The other woman is his ex. He assures me ALL THE TIME that they are just friends when he knows I'm getting insecure. He says he wouldn't cheat and I do believe him. I know his phone password (never unlocked it, but he does get open notifications of messages and doesn't mind me seeing them), he is not in any way secretive, but also respects his friends' privacy and only ever tells me the bare minium of what is talked about on the phone. He can be on the phone to them for hours.

I was cheated on by an ex and almost every man I know more closely has cheated in their relationships. One of the women looks a lot like a women I was cheated on with. I am just so uncomfortable when he is on the phone to these women, or, heaven forbid, when they sleep over again once lockdown is over. It may only be once or twice a year, but I am dreading it. Their weekly or fortnightly calls grind on me.

How can I get over this? He is being honest, open and I know he is doing nothing wrong. But I just can't shake the insecurity, the green eyes when either of those two phones and they spend time together on the phone, on social media or message. I don't have the same issue with other women, like his sister or women we work with.

How can I stop feeling like this? How can I trust that he will not cheat, that these women have actually gone from a sexual to a frienldy relationship? How can I hold back when I inevitably will have to meet them? I trust him, but every tie they are meantioned I feel like a lead weight is dragging my stomach down and I feel incredily insecure.

OP posts:
Etherel · 18/03/2021 18:23

Please help

OP posts:
Tablegs · 18/03/2021 18:33

I'm way too old for all that stuff now, but when I was younger I had male friends, and I would never 'sleep over' with anyone who was in a relationship with somebody, especially if he and I had had a fling in the past. You just don't. It crosses way too many boundaries.

How can you stop feeling like this? To be honest, if he's going to carry on the 'friendships' with these two, I don't think you ever will.

PamDemic · 18/03/2021 18:43

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billy1966 · 18/03/2021 18:49

OP,

I can't imagine a lot of women tolerating this situation.

I certainly wouldn't.

He was having sex with other women at the same time as you and you are now supposed to be friends.

I'm older than you and I have a healthy self respect.

I would be arsed trying to be cool with this.

You are a ball of stress.

What's the point.

I think you should cut your losses, you are not his priority.

How lovely for his ego to be reassuring you that he wasn't having sex with his house guest.

You are crying over it in front of him....more ego rubbing for him.

You have handed every bit of power over to him.

Self respect would ensure most women would dump him.

Flowers
Backtoblack1 · 18/03/2021 18:52

Fuck that. I could never cope with that. If you’re not happy then do not tolerate it.

Totallyfedup1979 · 18/03/2021 18:54

Ummm, nope. Sorry, my husband, even as a boyfriend would not have been doing this.

Also, exclusive? Really? If I’m seeing someone, I had better be the ONLY person they are seeing. Do people really have to confirm exclusivity?

If my husband told me that he was having a sleep over with an ex, particularly one he’d previously shagged, he’s have another ex.

You deserve better than this. Perhaps I’m just not old and cool, it this is disgusting.

Totallyfedup1979 · 18/03/2021 18:56

Fucking phone!

He’d have another ex.

But this is disgusting.

lifehack · 18/03/2021 19:20

I'm surprised you're even his gf, him fooling around with an ex while you were newly dating him should of put you off, just because you weren't 'official' this is the time where he's surpose to be impressing you and building trust for you wanting to be in a relationship with him.
That would of seriously gave me the ick.
I'm not surprised you don't like them hanging around, it's because they know they still get attention from him and hope to get shagged again at some point.

Wanderlusto · 18/03/2021 19:29

Girl friends are fine. Girl friends they've had recent sexual contact with however, certainly are not fine.

It's not up to you to 'get over' something you are not ok with. And fwi most would feel you are perfectly entitled not to be ok with this btw!

If it was just a friendship then I would encourage you to meet them asap and suss them out. But it isn't a friend, it's a fuck buddy. Him continuing to meet her would not be ok with me at all. Considering they are long term friends I might not expect them to totally cut contact but we're talking christmas cards...not hour long chinwags weekly. He is taking the piss.

Shodan · 18/03/2021 19:35

If I’m seeing someone, I had better be the ONLY person they are seeing.

Absolutely this. And I'll wager that's a big part of the reason you feel insecure and jealous- because actually, (in my mind, anyway) he's already cheated on you.

I don't think you can get over this, really. He's not valuing you the way he should be.

helpmum2003 · 18/03/2021 19:56

I agree with the PP. I don't think it's acceptable behaviour.

SilverRoe · 18/03/2021 20:02

What does he want you to do? Bond as a nice little group of three women who have fucked him and compare notes about his bedroom prowess? Sounds to me like he is a collector and wants a harem going on.

billy1966 · 18/03/2021 20:15

Respectfully OP,

The fact he is expecting you to accept this and you are trying to accept it, to a point that you are crying means you are desperately trying to deny yoùr gut feeling.

So unhealthy.
It is a red flag to me that you are trying to deny who you are, your feelings, your emotions.
All for a new man who has sex with his friends while seeing you and expects you to suck it up.

You are not his priority.
You never will be.
You have been disrespected before the relationship began.
You have accepted being disrespected before the relationship began.

You are very vulnerable to being in an abusive relationship because your relationship bar is very low.

You need to value yourself because others won't if you don't.

The best thing you could do for yourself would be to finish with him.

And work on yourself and your boundaries

Look at the Shark Cage analogy.
Flowers

BibbityBobbety · 18/03/2021 21:08

Hi OP, if they really were just friend and nothing had ever happened, I don't think you'd be this anxious. But it's a large ask to be ok with your partner being this emotionally close to TWO women he's been physically intimate with.

I hate to say this, but it is one of the situations where you'll always be on edge, because it's a very unnatural arrangement. Particularly since he slept with one while dating you! So clearly there's a lot of attraction there still that didn't die despite him also sleeping with you I.e he had no need to hook up with her, he had you. And still chose to do it.

My advice would be to walk away. I know it's hard and he's probably got a lot of other good qualities, but the anxiety this will put you through is not worth it. It will get worse, and you'll become a paranoid, wreck of a woman. Female friends are fine but this is just weird. And he seems very emotionally dependent on all the women in his life. So even if not these women, he'll latch onto others. The minute you're not available or going through a bad patch, he'll turn to one of them.

Your sanity will thank you for walking away. Thanks

B1rdflyinghigh · 18/03/2021 22:46

If anyone is making you insecure and jealous, then you're with the wrong man.

WisnaeMe · 18/03/2021 22:47

Walk away 🌺

MrMeSeeks · 18/03/2021 22:51

I’d have no problem with him being friends with the ex ( my dp used to see him frequently with other mates once a wk/every other week, i’m still in contact with an ex, however a sleepover? (
Unless i was there not a chance.
An hour away is not far, there is no need for them to stay over.

WisnaeMe · 18/03/2021 22:52

Your mental health is way more precious than this guy trust me 🌺

optimistic40 · 18/03/2021 23:21

This sounds horrible for you. If they were just friends with zero sexual contact ever, one might feel slightly insecure if they stayed over. But having had sex with both before, and one whilst with you... I'm not a massively jealous person, and I would be jealous.

I don't know what can be done here. It's going to be either finding a way of getting over this, or breaking up. My feeling is that he might have fucked this up at the start... Getting sexual with his friend at a point that he should have been excited about you.

Krazynights34 · 18/03/2021 23:59

Op I’m old (45). I’ve never been on a dating site. I’ve never had an exclusivity chat.
I’ve had ons, shitty relationships etc.
But I’d never put up with this horseshit.
If someone is into you, they will make it clear.
This guy had sex with an “ex” when he first started seeing you: can it really go uphill from that?

Eckhart · 19/03/2021 00:22

Stop viewing your feelings as something you have to get over.

Your feelings are the real, unsurpressed, ass kicking, takes-no-shit, bolshy, self respecting YOU.

Insecurity goes away when you are with the right partner, not when you are trying to surpress it.

tropicalwaterdiver · 19/03/2021 04:08

Sexual contact with his friend? Sleepover?
Sounds like FWB to me and definitely not ok.

Zenithbear · 19/03/2021 07:11

Having a bloke who has women as friends is ok but they definitely aren't friends. He's really having his cake and eating it and fobbing you off with this just friends rubbish.
None of them seem to have any boundaries. Grown ups having sleepovers is laughable. I have lot of male friends and dp has female ones. Neither of us ever has sleepovers with them. It's not something I would put up with.
The only thing I would do is move on.

TwilightSkies · 19/03/2021 07:16

Of course you are insecure, anyone would be in your situation!
How can you be happy when those feelings are eating away at you all the time?

I would move the on and find someone more suitable, an easy, comfortable relationship. Not a stress-inducing mess like this one!

Swordfish1 · 19/03/2021 08:09

You feel insecure because this whole setup is ridiculous.
Sleepovers? And sexual contact with one whilst dating you?
And I too have never had to mention exclusivity when starting to date someone. For me it’s that’s from the outset. If they are wanting sex with someone else whilst building something with me they can fuck right off.
He’s playing you, I’m so sorry.
Leave him for goodness sake before he totally destroys your confidence.
Fuck that he’s open about it. That just makes him an arrogant pig. And one who clearly cares nothing for your feelings or for you.
Men say all sorts of bollocks, how much he lives you, how much he cares, how he’s never met anyone like you and wants you forever.
But it’s their actions you should be taking note of. If they don’t match. Walk away.

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