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Total and utter mess... Please help.

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InterstellarOverdrive · 12/03/2021 18:35

There's a lot of background here so please bare with me.

Been with dp for 6 years. We have a 4yo dc and I have my eldest from a previous relationship. We're not married. Dp is the main earner, I only work a few hours a week.

I unexpectedly got pregnant about a year in to our relationship, which immediately changed our dynamic as a couple. I saw a different side to dp that I hadn't seen before. He got stressed quickly and started being rude to me and even had an awful row with my dm. When we were looking for a house and schools for my eldest he got so stressed he literally banged his head against a wall (massive red flag I know but I was pregnant so let it go).

After I had our dc I was quite ill in hospital for a while. I didn't get out and about properly until about 4 months after, it was all very traumatic and I think I still probably have some kind of ptsd from it, possibly dp does too. Through all this dp was supportive but also incredibly short fused. On one occasion I was very anxious and upset about my health and he said if I didn't pull myself together he would leave. Obviously he didn't leave and we continued in this way for some time. We were both extremely exhausted and stressed for a long while as our dc did not sleep well and still doesn't sleep through at 4.5 years...

He often raises his voice when talking to me & dc and has spoken to me in a horrible way on many occasions. He's also upset my eldest dc many times. It was because of this treatment of my eldest that I decided to end the relationship with him when our dc was 2. However, he begged and pleaded and said he would do anything for a second chance. He went to CBT and started doing yoga and to his credit he did change somewhat. He became a generally nicer person to be around and gradually our relationship improved.

We then moved area and I'd hoped for a better life and better relationship, however a few months after we moved he totally lost it with me again and even prevented me from taking dc to school one morning by saying we couldn't leave the room until we'd resolved the argument. He physically blocked the door. It was something really very trivial that had angered him but I can't remember what exactly it was. The dc ended up being about 30 - 45 mins late for school. Thinking back that should have been it but for some reason I didn't have the courage to ask him to leave.

Fast forward to now and I feel very unhappy. I feel empty inside and am just putting up with him talking to me like shit occasionally and sometimes not being the best at parenting. He seems to think it's ok to tell our dc off in such a way that it makes them cry. He says it's normal for them to be upset when told off but it bothers me. I try really hard not to make them cry, even when they need a telling off. He says I'm soft but I would rather be soft than angry.

To add to all of this, I forged a friendship with a mutual male friend about a year ago and we have been meeting up for walks etc during lockdown as we have a shared interest. My dp is very jealous of this and got really annoyed when he found that I'd confined in this friend about our relationship problems. He said it was inappropriate because he's a mutual friend. Maybe it was but said friend is the only person I've been able to speak to in person during lockdown so inevitably the topic of relationships came up eventually and i didn't think I was doing anything wrong. He is now avoiding our friend and says he doesn't want to see him anymore because I've ruined their friendship so now he's just my friend. He is angry at our friend too as he feels he has played a part in our problems.

Dp says I am not innocent in all of this, which I'm probably not as I dont help myself a lot of the time, he says I talk to him like shit sometimes as well and I'm dismissive of him, particularly when I have pmt 🙄 which, as much as it bothers me to admit, could well be true.

We are at breaking point again at the moment because I've had enough and can't keep living like this but I must admit I have been somewhat distracted by my male friend (nothing dodgy going on, he is a lovely, kind and gentle person and he makes me realise what is wrong with my relationship but he is in a relationship and so am I, so absolutely no cheating) and I also know I haven't been putting much effort in to making the relationship work. We don't have sex as I don't feel attracted to dp anymore and I feel like I'm not in love with him anymore. I do care for him a lot though.

I'm aware I may have painted dp in a bad light but these are the main things that bother me and bare in mind they are spread out over 6 years. Most of the time he is a devoted partner & father and it is destroying him that he might very soon lose what he has. He does a lot around the house and with dc. I have a health issue that means I'm sometimes wiped out and he has to take over everything. Unfortunately this had led to me doing less and him doing more than his fair share. I'm trying to resolve that now by doing more myself as I'd started to feel worthless and useless. He would do anything at all that I asked him to do and I admit I may have taken advantage of this at times. But my allowing him to take over has made me feel depressed. I feel like I have lost my independence.

The main issues I have with him (the being horrible to me & eldest dc etc) were more prevelent in the past but I can't seem to get over them at all even though he is mostly a better person now.

However, I really don't know where to go from here. I didn't go and see my friend this week because of all the discussions me and dp have been having are taking their toll and I'm an emotional mess. I have told dp I need space and time to think. He is also an emotional mess at the moment and isn't thinking straight.

On the one hand, I don't want to lose everything we have and it would be the second time my eldest has lost a father figure in her home. Dp has said if we split I'm not putting the dc's feelings first, that I'm putting my feelings first because it's me that has the issue with him.

On the other hand, I feel a bit like we're going round in circles. I also feel its unfair on dp for me to stay in a relationship with him if I'm not in love with him.

Help?

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Haffiana · 12/03/2021 19:08

Fast forward to now and I feel very unhappy. I feel empty inside and am just putting up with him talking to me like shit occasionally and sometimes not being the best at parenting. He seems to think it's ok to tell our dc off in such a way that it makes them cry. He says it's normal for them to be upset when told off but it bothers me. I try really hard not to make them cry, even when they need a telling off. He says I'm soft but I would rather be soft than angry.

You are a mother. Before anything else you need to protect your children. You have let a man into your older child's life, into her HOME where she should be safe, secure and happy and you have let him abuse her.

On the one hand, I don't want to lose everything we have and it would be the second time my eldest has lost a father figure in her home. Dp has said if we split I'm not putting the dc's feelings first, that I'm putting my feelings first because it's me that has the issue with him.

You are a mother. Before anything else you need to protect your children. He makes them cry and you let him - do you REALLY think your daughter wants you to stay with an abusive stepdad?. Why are you listening to the opinions of your arsehole partner about YOUR child? How did that happen?

How did your world get turned upside down like that? What happened to your inner tigress defending her cubs? You are defending your partner instead. He is a grown man. He will cope.

You don't even love this man, although even if you did it would make no difference to my advice: Put your children first and get out of there. Be utterly clear that you are getting out for yourself and for your children and not because you are secretly hoping to fall into the arms of man no2.

InterstellarOverdrive · 12/03/2021 19:13

I wouldn't say he's been abusive as such. He just doesn't know how to handle her moods particularly well. He has reacted in a bad way to her being angry in the past and exacerbated her anger/upset but I wouldn't say this was abuse as I don't think it was intentional.

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tellmetologoffIamaMNaddict · 12/03/2021 19:18

@InterstellarOverdrive

I wouldn't say he's been abusive as such. He just doesn't know how to handle her moods particularly well. He has reacted in a bad way to her being angry in the past and exacerbated her anger/upset but I wouldn't say this was abuse as I don't think it was intentional.
Do you think the intention behind it makes any difference to your daughter?
Extremelyilluminated · 12/03/2021 19:18

What you are seeking here is an exit affair . And it’s understandable. You feel trapped and need to leave and your brain is working overtime trying to think of any way to escape , including this other mutual friend man. But a man is not the answer. Leaving however, is. It will be really tough, but you can do it.

FreddyTheFlute · 12/03/2021 19:23

Fgs he has been awful to you daughter. Why was that not the point you told him to fuck off and left?

Extremelyilluminated · 12/03/2021 19:24

Also. Beware the married man who is a shoulder to cry on for women in vulnerable situations.

FreddyTheFlute · 12/03/2021 19:26

@Extremelyilluminated

Also. Beware the married man who is a shoulder to cry on for women in vulnerable situations.
Absolutely. Snake well disguised.
SilverRoe · 12/03/2021 19:36

Seconded about whether you think any of this would make a difference to your daughter? Six years this has been going on. What percentage of her life has that been?

InterstellarOverdrive · 12/03/2021 19:51

The poor parenting towards my eldest started after our own dc was born. It has in his defence improved but still happens occasionally. That was the initial reason for me ending it two years ago but as it improved I got my hopes up that it would vanish. Sadly it hasn't totally. My eldest thinks the world of him,despite his previous behaviour.

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InterstellarOverdrive · 12/03/2021 20:53

Strangely, i originally wanted to end it due to how he treated my eldest dc and now I'm not sure if I should end it because she thinks so highly of him. When I say it needs to end because of this but I can't find a major example of it in the last year, I feel like my argument is invalid because he's 'changed'. I'm not sure if he has though, deep down.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 12/03/2021 20:57

The only reason you ever need to leave is that you want to.

There are multiple reasons you should leave that jump out from your posts but you don’t have to justify it to him or anyone else. You’re not happy, he’s a bully, so leave.

Silenceisgolden20 · 12/03/2021 21:04

Your don't think he's been abusive 'as such'?

Re read your posts again. Read how he wouldn't let you leave the room to take your children to school. Re read how he makes your child cry. Re read how his temper effects your family

It is abuse and you are in denial.
Please get some support and read up on abusive behaviours. The scales will fall from your eyes.

FreddyTheFlute · 12/03/2021 22:39

Strangely, i originally wanted to end it due to how he treated my eldest dc and now I'm not sure if I should end it because she thinks so highly of him
That’s even worse. She now thinks abusive men deserve to be thought of highly because she is being raised to believe this is normal. Protect your daughter’s future. Dont raise her believing this is acceptable and certainly not normal.

Nicolastuffedone · 13/03/2021 06:47

She ‘thinks highly’ of him, or walks on eggshells around him not to incur his wrath?

Newhomenewlife · 13/03/2021 06:58

You have to believe your own reasons for wanting to leave. You’ll know when you can’t take it any longer. He is being abusive and you know this already but you’ll only leave when you feel ready, anything else and he’ll persuade you to stay.

You don’t need validation from anyone to leave. He’s not making you happy. Beware the friend, it sounds like you’re starting to fall for him.

InterstellarOverdrive · 13/03/2021 08:44

Thank you for your replies and for reading my ridiculously long post. I've been feeling like I'm walking on eggshells so maybe she is doing the same Sad

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