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Can we have a future?

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Silvergirl25 · 12/03/2021 16:40

My DH and I have been together for 30 years. I am 60. Our 23 yo DS has been really pushing the boundaries for years. Particularly aimed at me. Controlling, bullying behaviour - never physical, but emotional and mental. Mind games, gaslighting, that type of thing. He is obviously troubled and I want to help, but he closes me down so I can’t reach him. He can be kind and caring but then can change very quickly and turn on me. Sometimes it’s quite subtle. It has affected me very badly. I have had many emotional breakdowns when I couldn’t stop crying, even at work, and have self-harmed, googled suicide many times and been a whimpering, howling mess on and off for years. It just wears me down. I have had counselling to help me cope. I have also on hundreds of occasions tried to talk to DH about it (he knows about feeling suicidal and the self-harm) but he has always turned away (often literally), refused to engage, said it was between me and DS and accused me of being too sensitive and therefore partly to blame, saying I make out it’s worse than it is. It has been very hard. We’ve now been going to Relate for the last few weeks at my insistence and what has come out is that DH doesn’t seem to feel things like I do - and he is incapable of demonstrating to me that he cares. So he can say - I care, but he can’t explain how I would know that. And he can’t or won’t articulate it at the sessions, even with a lot of help from our counsellor. He says he is always supportive, but I honestly can’t see it. Yet he says he may support me in the future if he feels it is appropriate ie he feels it would be reasonable to do so. I suppose by that he means if he doesn’t feel I am being over sensitive. He sometimes disagrees with me in front of our son and makes excuses for him, saying he ‘doesn’t mean it’ when I get upset at scornful, snarky, sarky, eye-rolling etc behaviour. And being told I’ve said things I haven’t. Things I wouldn’t say. Being yelled at because ‘You’re DEAF!’ And so much more. In the past I have occasionally said things I regret; when very upset. I called my son a bullying b and told him he makes me want to die. I called my OH a coward. I have apologised to them both and I don’t do that any more - counselling has helped. Although my DH and DS are my world and my DH says he wants us to stay together, and can be very kind (he is generous, gives me freedom, and would never have an affair or anything), I find now I can’t even let him touch me. I have not shared a bed with him for over a year. I can’t even contemplate a stroke of the hand. I know he is v hurt by this and that probably doesn’t help him feel close to me and therefore more inclined to support me, but it comes from somewhere deep inside me. I am so hurt and bloody upset with him. I feel let down. I know he loves our son (who lives at home and my OH won’t hear of anything else until DS is ready - he is planning to travel in 2022 and then I assume return home, and wants to protect him). Maybe he sees he’s vulnerable but would never admit that. Maybe I am over sensitive but none of my friends think so - quite the opposite in fact. Life has thrown a lot at me and I’ve soldiered on.

Sorry for the long post but should I try to get past this and look to the future with a kind man who I know will take care of me in ways other than this? I’m far from perfect. Just put it aside and concentrate on the positive, companionship as we get older, travelling together and all that? And try to find a way of dealing with the situation with my son without necessarily always expecting support from OH?

Thank you.

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Silvergirl25 · 12/03/2021 16:40

PS I am not at risk of self harm any more - don’t worry about that!

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 12/03/2021 16:48

I’ll be honest, I think you’d be much happier moving out and leaving DH and DS to each other.

Your H sounds a lot like my (X)H was - no empathy, couldn’t get what I meant when I tried to explain how I felt, but it was generally about him rather than outside forces (ie your son). I realised it didn’t matter if he had a different way of showing love, whether someone else may have been ok with it, if it was a personality disorder, ASD or anything else.

What mattered was that we weren’t compatible. We divorced and it was scary for a while there, but I built a life for myself and my DCs, met someone much more on my wavelength (still we have issues of course, but at least I feel loved and supported, which means I can get over most other things!!) and my XH and I get on fine as coparents.

He wasn’t happy and wasn’t getting what he needed from me either, so it was flogging a dead horse by that point.

I know it’s a huge upheaval, but if your H doesn’t see a problem with your DS’s behaviour let him have it. You’ve done your best but he’s an adult now so let him find his own path. You don’t have to martyr yourself to him forever just because you gave birth to him.

Silvergirl25 · 12/03/2021 16:54

Thank you @MarkRuffaloCrumble - I actually think I may have more chance of building a better relationship with DS if we didn’t have the three-way dynamic with DH. I don’t think that is helping at all.

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sunnyzweibrucken · 12/03/2021 17:13

i'm with PP, in your situation i'd move out. i don't deal well with ongoing conflict and seems like your DH is an enabler, so this really won't get any better. i'd rather be alone with peace of mind than live with others and never have any peace.

Silvergirl25 · 12/03/2021 19:59

Thank you @sunnyzweibrucken.
I think maybe he is an enabler. Good point. I don’t feel comfortable or ‘safe’ at home. Again, talking emotionally, not physically.

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TalktotheFoot · 12/03/2021 20:06

Your DH is putting your DS first, second and third above you. That's something that both parents may very well do from time to time when their children are very small.

It is definitely not normal once the dc becomes an adult, and is subjecting their mother to abuse.

Your DH is definitely enabling him.

Silvergirl25 · 12/03/2021 20:58

Thank you @TalktotheFoot. I appreciate your insight.

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 13/03/2021 11:10

@Silvergirl25

Thank you *@MarkRuffaloCrumble* - I actually think I may have more chance of building a better relationship with DS if we didn’t have the three-way dynamic with DH. I don’t think that is helping at all.
Indeed - by having your H side with him he’s not learning to respect you as a person. As much as people sometimes don’t like it when someone puts up boundaries, it will definitely give you a better chance of some respect from him if you don’t sit there and take it. Good luck Flowers
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