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Husband gets angry when I ask for help with baby at night time

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SheWouldNever · 12/03/2021 11:03

Apologies in advance, this is going to be really long as I don't want to drip feed.

This is our fourth baby, so the territory of crap sleep in the first year or two is very familiar. But so is my husband getting angry when I ask him to step in to help during the occasional bad night with our babies. It's been this way since baby number 1, I have a memory of being abit frightened at him punching a wall in anger after I asked him to step in because I was struggling tosettle the baby.

There's no violencetowards me, but door slamming is quite common, mostly it's harsh words and a bad temper about the situation. I never really know how a request for help is going to be received, so I rarely ask, and most of the time that works fine - I co-sleep with our babies and most nights I manage fine alone, it's just the occasional few where it's been a tiring / overly stressful week, or baby is just having a bad night and I'm overwhelmed. He is very involved in all other aspects of family life, he does all the cooking and cleaning, is very involved with the children, it's just the baby stage that is largely my area, as I breastfeed and find co-sleeping easier. Just trying to set the scene to explain that i don't need him to pull his weight more in general, but I do need him to not immediately go from 0 to cross words when I ask for his help at night with the baby.

Last night as an example: I gave him forewarning that this week might see a grouchier than usual me and / or baby, as school runs restarting means baby's entire day routine is going to change overnight, so this week might be a little unsettled, and I may need to ask for his help and we might need to adjust our family evening / bedtime routine accordingly. The two nights previous I had fallen asleep on the sofa in between resettling a baby who hates sleeping in their own cot without me there, before he'd finished cooking our dinner. The baby then had really unsettled sleep from the moment I got into bed. So he knew I was getting increasingly tired. We'd spoken about it, and on night 3 (last night) we had adjusted dinner to be earlier so I could go to bed earlier.

Baby had other plans as they always do, so the evening actually consisted of me spending numerous attempts settling him atbedtime, wolfing down dinner in between wake ups before deciding I might as well call it a night, bring baby into bed with me so we could both sleep. All of this is a pretty standard evening for me with a 7 month old, what was unexpected was the next bit. Baby wouldn't settle, Dh was still awake reading downstairs, so I text him to ask if he could come and try settling the baby by walking him round the room. (I wouldn't normally ask if he had already gone to sleep, as that makes him really cross, but when he's still awake it's usually OK). The light of my phone seemed to distract baby, and they stopped crying and nodded off next to me. By the time he read the text and came up, baby had fallen asleep, and I was stuck not wanting to move or put the phone away just yet in case it awoke baby again. 10 minutes later, baby was awake again, so I asked again for DH to step in so I could just try and sleep a bit (('d been attempting to go to bed for an hour at this point).

DH was immediatelyangry and accusatory, saying no wonder baby isn't sleeping when you have your phone out over theirface. (AKA I haven't tried hard enough to get baby to sleep and why am I bothering him with this?) I attempted to explain what had happened (why do I even have to try and justify my actions, I don't know), but in his eyes I was still clearly in the wrong somehow. More angry words were directed at me, and at this point I just want him to go away and not wake the other children (baby wideawake by this point) so I defeatedly say "Look, I'm sorry, I'm just really really tired". To which DH responds "Well then we shouldn't have had a baby". It ends with him saying "Fine, I'll take baby", he slams the door shut and I don't see them again until morning, but he did send a text to apologise for saying what he said about having our baby.

What could have been an amazing night's sleep ends up me unable to sleep for ages, lying there feeling crap about myself and the situation in general.

This morning I took the kids to school and really didn't want to come back to the house, but it's lockdown and it's raining and there's nowhere to go. We've rehashed the same old post-argument ground where I say I don't feel I can ask for help because I'm always bracing myself for your anger, he has said "Well, I apologisedAND I helped out all night", so now I feel I'm stuck in a position where I should supposedly feel grateful and be thanking him that he helped out all night, as if that OKs the angry behaviour and the fact I don't feel secure asking him for help at night with the baby when I need it. (For the record, he didn't apologise for his behaviour or for being angry, he apologised for saying we shouldn't have had a baby).

It's like we can't even have a rational conversation about this without him immediately getting defensive and angry. This morning, he walked away and doesn't want to discuss it further - so I'm left with no reassurances that the exact same thing won't happen again next time , or that he's willing to listen and learn from his behaviour and how it makes me feel. I am left having to forget it and move on, because he refuses to talk about it more, and even if he did, I doubt he could do it in a calm way.I'm left with more evidence and conviction that he will react the exact way I anticipate he will when these situations arise.

I am no stranger to the stresses of the early years with babies, the odd argument and saying harsh things to each other is going to happen in a moment of stress, but this is as predictable as clockwork and I don't know how to make it better. It doesn't feel like 'normal' arguing, and I'm pretty sure my friends with babies aren't experiencing this (or maybe it is more normal than I think?!) DH has this same personality trait as his mum, as they can both move from fine to very snappy and very snidey in an instant. Whereas it's not in my nature to direct anger at another person, I show my emotions, but it's never AT someone or by putting someone else down.When this happens with DH, at best it makes me feel really crap, and at worst it makes me feel a little afraid of him and afraid to ask for his help.

I don't really know why I'm writing this here other than just to vent. We have a nice time together the rest of the time, and mostly we come to some kind of resolution over it the next day, but a few occasions have left me feeling very sad and affected by it for quite a long time afterwards.

Because I know someone is going to say it, please don't say it's the baby'sroutine / co-sleeping or the number of kids we have that's the problem. As far as I'm concerned, there isn't an excuse for continual angry behaviour.

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RantyAnty · 12/03/2021 15:46

His shouting, slamming doors, etc. is violence.

Does he talk like that to anyone else?

SheWouldNever · 12/03/2021 15:54

@ineedaholidaynow yes he does deal with the older children in the night if they need it, that has never caused any problems.

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Lochmorlich · 12/03/2021 15:55

Your dh sees the dc as yours.
He sees interaction with them as a task that he is doing for you.
I don't think he'll ever change because he controls the atmosphere in your home and that suits him just fine.

ineedaholidaynow · 12/03/2021 15:59

Does he not like the baby stage? How much does he do with the baby during the day?

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 12/03/2021 16:03

I know it's of no help to you now but why have four children with a violent selfish bully?

willibald · 12/03/2021 16:06

Please don't have any more kids with this violent selfish abuser.

IntermittentParps · 12/03/2021 16:07

I have a memory of being abit frightened at him punching a wall in anger after I asked him to step in because I was struggling tosettle the baby.

I can't get past this, TBH.

He's abusing you. It doesn't matter how 'involved' he is in anything else.
I agree re Womens Aid.

Indecisivelurcher · 12/03/2021 16:07

Hi OP, my husband had a sleep disruption anger issue after our second child was born. He scared me on one occasion. He spoke to the doctor and on her recommendation he did a course of CBT. He also started taking St John's wart tablets for low mood. They make a big difference! Ds is nearly 4 now, dh ran out of tablets this week and could really tell.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/03/2021 16:13

He has a problem with anger, your anger when you rightly call him out on his unreasonable behaviour. This man is very much like his mother, a woman who has not changed her ways either. This man does this because he can and it works for him.

AM courses are no answer to domestic violence nor abuse. Its also not your task either to find such a course for him. Joint counselling is never recommended when there is abuse of any type within the relationship.

Thatwentbadly · 12/03/2021 16:13

The bottom line is he is abusing you and your your children. Children being brought up in a household with domestic abuse are the victims of domestic abuse.

Sakurami · 12/03/2021 16:22

I'm not excusing his reaction but he does all the cooking and cleaning, looks after the other kids so sounds absolutely frazzled by night time. So he went up the first time you asked him to, then got back settled again after he thought he could finally relax and you message him again. He has moved meal times too.

I'm not blaming you by any means. I think best is to have a chat about this when you're both calm and explain clearly that whilst you understand how frustrating it can be, you're also in the same boat and don't go around shouting or punching walls. Tell him that it scares you and you find it unacceptable. The baby stage is hard but it doesn't last etc etc.

SheWouldNever · 12/03/2021 16:26

@RantyAnty no he doesn’t act this way with anyone else. I think a lot of people who know him would be very surprised if they read this.

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SheWouldNever · 12/03/2021 16:31

@Bananalanacake children were all planned apart from our first. We actually only started living together a few weeks before our first was born (although we had been together years before that), so I only have a frame of reference for what it’s like living with him with kids.

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SheWouldNever · 12/03/2021 16:35

@ineedaholidaynow

Does he not like the baby stage? How much does he do with the baby during the day?
Virtually nothing, but he does loads with the older three and will naturally do more with our youngest once they are not so dependant on me. It’s a pretty standard division of labour when there’s breastfeeding and co-sleeping involved. He’d like to do more with the baby but time is an issue when you have a lot of kids, a busy job, a pandemic, and a house move going on!
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Wellies54 · 12/03/2021 21:14

Is there a chance that he's worried he won't get up in time for work in the morning if he's been up in the night with the baby? Or that he won't be able to do his job as well? My husband got really stressed and anxious when he was the only/main wage earner and worried alot that he might lose his job and not be able to provide for us.

CottonC · 13/03/2021 09:40

@SheWouldNever I might have missed this but are you on maternity leave and he is working full time? The fair thing is for the person at home to be taking care of nights on weekdays then he does nights at the weekends. It doesn't make any sense for whoever is working at a job they need concentration for, to have to deal with sleepness nights on a regular basis when there's someone at home on maternity/paternity leave otherwise there's no point to parental leave Confused

If you're both working then it should be shared out accordingly.

Punching walls and other anger is absolutely not ok, tell him he needs to go for therapy and anger management.

Suagar · 13/03/2021 09:56

@Sakurami

I'm not excusing his reaction but he does all the cooking and cleaning, looks after the other kids so sounds absolutely frazzled by night time. So he went up the first time you asked him to, then got back settled again after he thought he could finally relax and you message him again. He has moved meal times too.

I'm not blaming you by any means. I think best is to have a chat about this when you're both calm and explain clearly that whilst you understand how frustrating it can be, you're also in the same boat and don't go around shouting or punching walls. Tell him that it scares you and you find it unacceptable. The baby stage is hard but it doesn't last etc etc.

Exactly. In her husband's position I'd be absolutely shattered as well as annoyed. There are plenty of men out there who are useless husbands and fathers but OP's husband seems to actually be pulling his weight in a lot of ways when there's 3 other children to care for and he's doing all cooking and cleaning, as well as providing financially for the family. What's the point of maternity leave if OP doesn't want to deal with settling the baby on a weekday? Of course it's very hard nd stressful at times but the whole reason parental leave exists is because impossible to deal with a small baby and be working at the same time. Sounds like he snapped after being expected to take on the baby when he needs to be alert at work the next day and OP doesn't have to worry about a job the next morning.

Punching walls aside (which absolutely needs to be stop if it's still happening), I actually think OP is being unfair on her husband to take on this little baby on a weekday night when he's dealing with older 3 kids and she's on maternity leave. I'm sure he rightfully feels she's not appreciating what he's doing. The anger is probably all the emotion and resentment that's been building up from OP's unreasonable expectations.

category12 · 13/03/2021 10:14

You're not planning any more children with him, are you, OP? Because this is not OK.

Tsubasa1 · 13/03/2021 10:23

@Sakurami I agree

Tsubasa1 · 13/03/2021 10:23

But the punching the wall and scaring thing needs to stop too

DuchessofHastings1 · 13/03/2021 10:28

It's been this way since baby number 1, I have a memory of being abit frightened at him punching a wall in anger after I asked him to step in because I was struggling tosettle the baby

Sorry, but I have to ask, why would you then go on to having 3 more children with a man who gets angry when you ask him to help with his own child?

EarthSight · 13/03/2021 10:31

I think you are starting to wake up to exactly what's going on, but you're trying to process it.

now I feel I'm stuck in a position where I should supposedly feel grateful and be thanking him that he helped out all night, as if that OKs the angry behaviour and the fact I don't feel secure asking him for help at night with the baby when I need it. (For the record, he didn't apologise for his behaviour or for being angry, he apologised for saying we shouldn't have had a baby

He wants a medal for 'helping' you. That's because he's resentful that you're not doing 100% of the work. Despite not being logical, he feels that the children are yours, and shouldn't be his problem. You aren't operating like a functional team - you are operating as if you are a lowly, incompetent employee and he is an area manager who has to swoop and save the day when you get overwhelmed.

It sounds to me like he has you well trained. You clearly avoid asking him for help when you can because the emotional fallout and the way you are being made to feel is simply not worth the hassle. I think this situation is going to make you angrier and angrier over time. The reason why it hasn't made you more angry until now, is because he's probably chosen a patient, emotionally self-aware, tolerant woman to have children with and he's taking full advantage of those traits.

He may be better with the older children because he doesn't see them as much hard work......and would probably quite like that you alone carry the entire burden of looking after the babies no matter how run down you end up becoming. Where would he be if you left him? If he wanted joint custody of the children, he would HAVE to look after your baby when you wouldn't be there to do all of this.

He sounds like he has a rubbish attitude and the fact that this has derailed into him daring to punch walls in front of you shows that he has already degraded your marriage and feels enabled or entitled to behave in this way. Don't be surprised if there's more down the line. I'm really sorry but I'm not sure if there's anything you can really do about this. This isn't just about actions - it's about his attitudes.

EarthSight · 13/03/2021 10:35

@DuchessofHastings1

It's been this way since baby number 1, I have a memory of being abit frightened at him punching a wall in anger after I asked him to step in because I was struggling tosettle the baby

Sorry, but I have to ask, why would you then go on to having 3 more children with a man who gets angry when you ask him to help with his own child?

@DuchessofHastings1 Not helpful. I'm sure she's already questioning this without you rubbing it in. Your comment is only kicking someone when they're down.
SheWouldNever · 13/03/2021 11:25

@Suagar @CottonC unfair to ask him, as a one off, for 30 minutes help at 9pm? I didn’t ask or expect him to take the baby all night, just to get baby settled as everything I had tried had failed.

I’m no longer on maternity leave but I have a very flexible work from home self employed job that I can easily fit in around the children. Absolutely the division of childcare should fall to me in this position. And it does. But parents also work as a team, and if one person is struggling in one area, it isn’t unreasonable for the other person to step in and temporarily share the struggle - it’s a fact of life that some phases and nights with small children will be more disturbed than others. As far as I’m concerned, the details of who has agreed to do which jobs around the house, does not excuse one part of the team being made to feel scared to ask for help, or being spoken to in a disrespectful snappy way just because they have asked for help.

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SheWouldNever · 13/03/2021 11:31

@EarthSight thank you. Actually a lot of this thread has felt like kicking me whilst I’m down. I should have known what to expect posting on Mumsnet, but for some reason though the relationships forum might be more supportive than other forums I frequent more. Yesterday was a really horrible day for me, I am still trying to build back up my emotional strength, whilst quietly thinking about some of the more helpful responses that have been posted here and questions I want to ask myself about what I want to do long term.

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