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Love, real life and fairytales

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hspoy · 07/03/2021 10:44

I've been reading MN for years, and remember about 7 or 8 years ago a woman posted something along the lines of, "My DH is my soulmate, because we chose to be each others soulmates. We've been through ups and down, financial problems, happy times, terrible times and every day we have chosen each other".

I remember thinking that sounded a lot like what love is. I digress a bit from what my actual question is, but given how practical MN contributors tend to be, I wanted to ask....

I think I met the right person when he wasn't ready. I think we fell in love, but he just wasn't ready to go "all in". I didn't really understand that at the time, but I remember being confused that everything was so great but he always seemed to be holding something back. In his words "I knew when we met that I wanted you, but I deep down knew I wasn't ready".

He was ten weeks out of a ten year relationship the day we met, so I suppose the timing was terrible in fairness, but beyond that I think he was carrying an awful lot of baggage and fear.

So about ten months into our relationship, he took a job opportunity thousands of miles away. I was really sad about that, but I remember thinking that I knew he wasn't ready and letting him go was the right thing to do for both of us. I certainly didn't want to get in the way of any dreams or ambitions he had. So I helped him pack his stuff, watched as the removers came, cried in airport departures at Heathrow and I let him go.

He told me recently he really hesitated and almost didn't get on the plane because his gut told him maybe he was making the wrong choice, but in the end he said practicality took over and he chose his career and something he felt was more safe. In his mind, relationships go wrong but you can always count on your career.

We ended things, but then never could quite let each other go, so over time we ended up texting every day and calling. He had a relationship with someone else in his office for about four months and we spoke a lot less and were much less intimate over that time, but he still pretty much messaged me every day. I actually don't think a day has gone by that he hasn't messaged me.

Perhaps I might have had a relationship with someone else too, but the whole lockdown situation made it tricky to go out and meet people. I've been through a lot over that period that's been tough too, and he was always there supporting me with it.

Last autumn, he phoned me up and said he realised I was the love of his life and that he regretted ever getting on the plane. He said he felt he had "run away" from life after he had found the right person and he had taken a lot of time to think it over and just couldn't picture any life he could ever be happy in where he wasn't married to me.

The woman he was with, he said, was nice to spend time with and was company but he wasn't in love with her, he was in love with me and no time of distance could ever change that, so he ended things with her after that conversation and flew several thousand miles to see me. He spent a few weeks with me and we had the best time.

When we'd been together he had always been guarded and holding something back, but after that he didn't anymore. He told me he loved me about 10 times a day whereas he could never say it before (it was implied), and he said he was completely certain about what he wanted and he was going to "fix his issues" and come home to me.

So we, again, kissed at the airport departures, and we spoke for hours every day and I think we are just about as in love as two people could possibly be. We just fit together and it feels like if ever two people were supposed to be together, it's us.

He contacted his old job here in the UK and told them he would like his job back please and told his current employer he will probably be leaving and they discussed recruiting a replacement. Adverts have been drawn up, plans started to be put in place. I was over the moon and he was really enthusiastic and excited.

He also addressed his fears in a few ways. He started reading a lot of "self-help books" that helped a lot and he identified a few things (fearful avoidant attachment) and also a lot of trauma from past relationships that were emotionally abusive. He also started counselling, and one of the first things he said was "I have realised I am scared of living".

All this sounds like a great story, and I was hoping (as he said when he came to visit) that a happy ending was coming my way, but we went off piste and now things seem lost again.

First, his old employer came back to him with a job offer. It was for considerably more money (which is great), but they were asking him to do a job that he would really hate to do. I stress the word "hate" is not an understatement, he really doesn't want to do that job. But he has the job offer in place if he wants it to start in October which would mean he could come home in the summer.

That situation sparked off a lot of anxiety in him. It would / could be very difficult for him to find another job very easily because what he does is very niche, there are few employers and there's obviously the ongoing Brexit / Covid situation so he thinks he will be stuck in a job he really hates and that he will be miserable.

This triggered off a lot of worries and negativity about the future. He kept going on about previous relationships that were awful and previous jobs he had hated and he was terrified of going through that again and taking a risk where all his chips were on me (what if I let him down? What if, what if what if). He would calm down and say "I realise our relationship is nothing like that and I realise I can always find another job and I am sorry for being so irrational", but he got himself worked up into a really negative state.

So we came to reach a problematic situation where he decided he should stay where he is and keep looking for a job (he is looking really hard but realistically it might take a month or it might take a year) and where I can't help feeling that if he were really in love he would just take the job (for now) and keep looking for a new one . Maybe my view is childish and romantic, but I always thought if a person really loved you then being with you would be the most important thing (am I wrong here?)

To give perspective on that, he has a very long notice period, so if he accepts the current job offer he would be home in around August and would start work in October so it would give him the option of either (a) finding another job between now and October and (b) just doing the job he hates for a little while whilst looking. A lot of friends said to me, "if he really loves you, he would NEED to come home and be with you, regardless of the job situation".

So I started to feel like that. He doesn't feel willing to "take the risk" and come home and he would rather lose me completely than do that. I struggle with how doing a job he doesn't like for a while could be worse than living without me and it's made me feel unloved. He has explained that doing a job he hated would massively affect his sense of security in himself and that his anxiety over it isn't manageable. I feel like that's a bit of a huge departure from the autumn when he said the only life he could ever imagine being happy in is with me.

I think, sadly, he is actually STILL not ready. I know him inside out, and the way he is being right now isn't really rational or logical, it's more like dealing with someone with an internal conflict. Harking back to the quote from MN at the start of my post, I feel like I just want him to choose to be with me no matter what, because if people don't choose that then what's the point.

So we have now come to the conclusion that I need someone who is ready to be in a life with me 100%, and he needs to find a job and "fix himself" before he can be that person and so we have decided to break contact. Heaven only knows how we will manage that but any tips on stopping contact with someone you're madly in love with would be helpful.

He sees this as a brief period where he has mental space to manage his anxiety, sort the job situation without feeling like he is failing me and work with the counsellor on why it is he finds this all so terrifying and that once he has done that he is "coming back for me" and that he still can't see any possible future that is with me, but he accepts the risk that I might be gone by then.

I see this as an end, because I feel like he didn't love me enough to not see me being "gone by then" as an unacceptable risk, then surely he can't be the man for me?

Has anyone got anything they can lend to this, in terms of if I am wrong in how I feel? Am I living in a fairytale world where nothing matters but being together, or do people who really love you sometimes just not have the capacity to give you what you need?

And most of all, down the road, if he ever does sort all this out, should I take him back and try again? I feel like he's broken my heart twice now. Once by leaving in the first place, and another by winning me back and then cowarding out when it mattered.

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Wanderlusto · 07/03/2021 11:03

OP I'm not sure how much of it is 'internal conflict' and how much of it is actually just docking you around.

Are you sure he has split with the other girl? You know, the one he waited to dump until AFTER phoning you to tell you, the ex, to say he loved you (dickhead).

At best, he has issues he needs to work through - single. At worst he is playing with your (and possibly another girls head). Think about it op, fine showed up taking a job he hated,he would ultimately resent you. And if he showed up jobless...infact theres a thought, maybe he is trying to bums rush you into offering him.a roof over his head till he finds a job. So that you dont 'lose him' ...?

Love is not the most important thing in life. Love cant fill bellys and it doesn't always make you happy. After basic needs, living a happy life comes next. For some people love is a big part of happiness. But it's not everyone's centre piece in creating a happy life.

Wanderlusto · 07/03/2021 11:15

Sorry, ton of typos lol.

But basically, for me for example, the thing that I strive for most is peace, contentment, a drama free, happy life. So a person coming into my life would need not go against that.

For other people, they need adventure. Ir they are career focused at their core. So they need people who compliment that in whatever way. But they also need to BE with people whis core, they compliment.

People complement your life,they shouldn't complete it.

For those with true love at their core...we could be cinical and argue that they are looking for another person to complete them instead of looking inwards. Or we could just argue that they need to be aware that there are people out there that will take advantage and be careful.

Hurdles in relationships are fine. What he is giving you however- is just straight up drama.

I'd be offskies. But then fir me, peace and an easy life is what I most strive for.

Jenjenn · 07/03/2021 11:15

Internal conflict - bollocks. He is stringing you along. Hedging his bets, keeping a couple of beds warm for himself. Try to get angry at that maybe it will help you move on.

Wanderlusto · 07/03/2021 11:17

*they need to be with ppl whose core, they compliment

Eckhart · 07/03/2021 11:29

Look at the length of your post. That's how much drama this relationship has bringing you, and you're not even together. If you want to continue with that amount of drama, get back together with him.

If you want a relationship where you can simply say 'Oh, my partner's lovely.' then find it.

hspoy · 07/03/2021 11:30

I don't thinks it's helpful for me to go off down tangents of thinking he's trying to use me for a roof over his head and so on, as my gut and everything I see before me tells me that's not true.

I think he loves me (as much as he is capable of loving anyone) but that for him, job security / career is just more important and he would be willing to lose me rather than risk being in a job he hates.

Priorities-wise, for me, relationships (not just with a partner but with anyone) are my most important component of happiness. I've always had job / financial security and I've always had loved ones to fall back on. My experience of relationships has been rich and rewarding.

For him, I don't think he has ever really had ANY relationships that weren't transient or painful. He's got no relationship with his parents or family, no really close frienships and he's never been in a relationship that wasn't toxic before this one. He has no one to rely on but himself. His template for life is to look after yourself, make your life secure and then the relationship is the tertiary need.

His view on our situation: sort myself out, secure my job and then come back for the woman I love.

My view: be together and sort problems together

It's a fundamental view on the way we see life I guess.

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Eckhart · 07/03/2021 11:31

And if this story had any bearing on a fairy tale, it would have a lot less crappy bit in it.

Wanderlusto · 07/03/2021 11:35

And fundamentally then, you are mismatched.

He only needs himself.
You need others. Neither person is right or wrong. But if you stay chasing after him, you are going to be hurt.

Eckhart · 07/03/2021 11:43

I think he loves me (as much as he is capable of loving anyone

Are you really happy to accept love on this basis? 'It's as much as he is capable of'?

If so, why? Why aren't you looking for the love that meets your own needs? Because the love that meets your own needs is a) what you need and b) not being offered to you.

AndreaMarteau · 07/03/2021 11:43

Everything in your post is about him. How he feels, what he wants from life. What do you want? And has he ever considered your feelings in anything?

This all sounds like major hard work. The only reason he can flip flop around, promising to work on himself and sort his life out and have the audacity to think he you'll be there waiting for him at the end of it, is because you're letting him.

For your own sake, block him on everything. He likes knowing that you're always going to be there as a back up. Move on and work out what you want from a relationship and life and forget this one. It's not love for him, its convenience. Stop being his fallback girl. If he loved you, he'd make it work somehow.

Wanderlusto · 07/03/2021 11:44

Also, and I'm not putting the guy down for having only had toxic in his life (*according to him). But do you really want yo be with someone who has no experience of normal relationships? Even if he is a nice person,dysfunction would carry through. It already is with all the drama.

He needs to be single and work through his past dysfunctions before dating at all. But instead he is messing you about.

Honestly op, you also have to be prepared to consider that he was the abusive person in past relationships. He certainly seems mind-fucky enough.

And the reason he phoned you out of the blue a few months back to confess his love was perhaps actually that he was the one who just got dumped. Maybe because she realised what a mindfuck he was.

It's all very suspect. But at best, he isnt right for you and he has discovered shit he really should work through before dating again.

AndreaMarteau · 07/03/2021 11:46

Also, and I'm not putting the guy down for having only had toxic in his life (according to him)

Yeah, I'd also be wary of someone who says every relationship they've had has been 'toxic'. There tends to be a common denominator in them, and it's not usually the other person...

Wanderlusto · 07/03/2021 11:47

And by all means, consider relationships your centerpiece. But make them healthy relationships. With people who are emotionally healthy and prioritise your emotional wellbeing too.

2Sangrias · 07/03/2021 11:59

It’s all about him, isn’t it? How he feels, what he wants, the compromises he isn’t willing to make, his job, his career, blah blah.

It sounds exhausting. He sounds fundamentally self-absorbed and self-centred. He has kept you hanging on a string for a long time while he figures out what HE wants. I’d cut my losses here and find someone who isn’t going to forever dangle the carrot and then pull it away when it suits him.

Eckhart · 07/03/2021 12:03

For him, I don't think he has ever really had ANY relationships that weren't transient or painful

Why not? Why has he not created relationships like that? If it's his attachment style, what has he done to form a more secure attachment style, and what is is about his current 'I'm leaving; don't leave me' that makes you think he's really got a grip on this?

Peanutbutterandbananatoastie · 07/03/2021 12:08

If ‘the one’ exists he’s not it.

SunnySideUp2020 · 07/03/2021 12:09

I am sorry but agree with what has been said previously.

IME if you are the love of his life he would have been with you already. And never would have left the first time.

My DH used to say "if there is a will there is a way". We met a the weirdest crappiest unexpected moment of his life but for him only one thing mattered and it was to be with me and make sure i was happy by his side. I was his priority because he knew he had found what he wanted. Jobs, plans to move abroad, ex, past long term relationship, fresh breakup, family, literally nothing stopped him when in the past he had NEVER considered even marrying someone.

That being said i also had someone before like your story. And i can tell you that this man is taking advantage of you. Leading you on because there is nothing better in his life. You aren't what he wants. You are what he has for now. Please don't waste your time. I know it's hard because you are so in love and his "unavailability" and the distance actually makes it harder for you to realise. He has literally made it all about him and it sounds like excuses and bs. You, on the other end are left wondering how you got there once again waiting for him to make the move. That's not ok. That's not a loving relationship.

Believe me, when someone loves you and wants to be with you, they just do it. And you won't be left in the dark or waiting or asked to consider his issues and wellbeing or past relationships. It will be about YOU as much as HIM and building YOUR future as a couple.

TedMullins · 07/03/2021 12:19

His template for life is to look after yourself, make your life secure and then the relationship is the tertiary need.

I agree with his outlook. I think you should build the life you want alone and get that security from within rather than looking for it from other people. Having said that, if he was being true to his ethos he’d just leave you alone and get on with living his life. He can’t and likely never will give you what you want, but by declaring his love for you and stringing you along he isn’t accepting his own truth that he needs to put himself first. I wouldn’t risk my career and well-being for a relationship. I almost did once and I was massively let down. For your well-being though, you need to stick to your guns that this is it with him because he’s being a dick frankly to keep coming back then pulling away again. Don’t give him another chance to do that.

greenshoots2021 · 07/03/2021 12:29

I think that it isn't true that love means he would drop everything take the new job and come back - to my mind love there would mean accepting his job is important and he needs to find the right one to set his life up with you and while waiting is hard it will be worth it.

But I don't think he sounds like he can have a healthy relationship. It's hard from the very limited information so all I can do is guess but I would say this is a man who is scared of love full stop and while he may feel it he will sabotage it somehow. Too much thinking not enough feeling the amazing feelings and being excited. If he does come back I think the risk is it will be one thing after another that means things can't proceed. You have the capacity to love fully and you deserve a man who can do the same. Love doesn't conquer all - it can't conquer deep rooted issues that keep otherwise positive and emotionally healthy people in transient and painful relationships. I think he is right let him sort himself out try not to be in contact anf remain open to meeting new people. You don't lose anything in the long run.

Opentooffers · 07/03/2021 12:40

I wouldn't wait for him, he didn't for you despite professing love for you. He could even still be seeing the woman you seem so unbothered about. You seem to take all he says to you as gospel but his actions are what says more.

KindnessCrusader · 07/03/2021 13:34

I'm exhausted reading that. I think you could find someone that will treat you better and I really hope you do.

oil0W0lio · 07/03/2021 13:39

I think you are in limerence with this man, this is a very painful condition I hope you recover soon 🙏

NoMackerelInSwindon · 07/03/2021 14:29

Fuck me that's long.

Thingsdogetbetter · 07/03/2021 14:30

This is a man who panics - about everything and anything. He panicked when he fell for you and ran away. Then he panicked he'd made the wrong decision and ran back temporarily. Now he's panicking again and putting up barriers to his running back permanently. Basically he runs away from problems. He hasn't worked out that you can't run from yourself.

What happens if he does come back and does hate the job? Will he come up with a solution or run again? Or he comes back and down the line you get pregnant? Will he run? He's run from family (possibly completely justifiably) and friendships, love and jobs. Are you next in line as the problem to run from (again)?.

I agree with him he needs to sort himself out before committing to you. But neither of you should be expecting you to wait around while he does. This faux-great-romance has to stop. You could end up in this same situation in 5 years as he faffs around 'sorting' himself out. And he may never do so.

No contact for 6 months (I'd advice giving up on this over blown romantic right-man-wrong-time bollock right now, but I don't think you're ready to accept this yet). Then if he hasn't dealt with his issues, it's time to move on. Permanently.

YesItsAPeacock · 07/03/2021 14:36

He sounds like he would be extremely hard work and ultimately make you miserable.