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Stepping back from my oldest friend

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couchparsnip · 04/03/2021 11:29

I need some advice on this please.
I don't know how to approach this- Firstly, I need to know if I made the right decision to step back from an old friend of 20 years (let's call her Nina) in part because of behaviour after our mutual friend (let's call her Anne) died suddenly.

At the time I put it all down to grief but now I have some perspective and considering what she's like before and since I think its time to move on.

The main thing was what I consider selfishness. She would not entertain the idea that anyone else other than the two of us had a close relationship with Anne, which was just not true, she was very popular. A neighbour of Anne's wanted to be a pall-bearer and my friend was horrified at this. She also demanded that we were made admins of the Facebook memorial group that a work colleague had set up and moaned to me about how 'fake' everyone's grief was. As if only ours was real. I kind of get that and put it down to the shock and grief. I didn’t feel comfortable about it all but was going through grief myself so didn't really pay too much attention at the time.

Then Nina turned on me when we were clearing out Anne's house. Anne's father had showed Nina round and she had taken a few things as mementoes - all fine.Later that week, I was helping to box things up for the charity shop - the family clearly wanted rid of things quickly so I took books and a few other bits of Anne's . Nina was put out about this and a bit childish I thought. She talked to Anne's brother while I was there, ignoring me, saying things like "I would never just take things, I'm not like that". "I'm not grabby like that". Clearly aimed as a dig at me. Anne's brother didn't really reply and commented to me privately that he thought Nina was a bit off - she'd been invited to take whatever she wanted already!

At the time I put it down to grief, I was all over the place myself. I brought all of the books to her house the next day so she could pick what she wanted. She took a couple, but didn't apologise for her 'off' comments. I let it go because of the situation.

Now I'm not sure I should have.
It's not just that though- she's always been quite negative. I used to often spend time listening to her talk about how someone had been awful to her and I would tend to ask her to look at things from their perspective and see the other side. Often it was a misunderstanding on her part. She might think someone had been talking about her 'behind her back'. That sort of thing.

It's quite exhausting, talking to her, it's always negative and I just feel like a counsellor. It's not a mutual thing any more. She's not interested in hearing about my kids or.my job and we might speak for 5 mins about that and get back to her.

She's asked for us to meet up and I've just put her off and said I'm busy. I will have to answer eventually. What do I say to her? I feel like I owe her an explanation but really don'twant to continue the friendship at the same level. I don't feel like she will take any of this on board though and I think I'll be the next person she's talking about.

It's making me anxious to think about it and I would rather just hide but I know I'll have to face her eventually - we both are still in contact with Anne's family.
Am I being mean to Nina here? What should I do?

Sorry this is long and if you got to the end.Thanks!

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couchparsnip · 07/03/2021 07:38

@Sakurami

What do you get out of your friendship with her? Because from what I hear she sounds self centred and not a nice person.

I have a friend who is selfish and talks more about herself than me. But she is fun and has always been there for me when I've needed her so I'd rather put up with some of her less nice aspects of her personality to still have her in my life.

This is what Nina used to be like. She knows a lot of people and likes to socialise. I stopped wanting to go out drinking every weekend a long time ago so now only see her one to one. I really don't get anything out of the friendship any more. She's not there for me at all. I have other people that are much easier to talk to.
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couchparsnip · 07/03/2021 07:44

@HelenUrth
That's what I thought too. She always manages to make it about her. In the past I have cut her some slack because her childhood wasn't easy.
However, there's only so long that you can make excuses for people.

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AtlasPine · 07/03/2021 07:53

Could you just text that you have moved on and realise that without Anne, while you respect her, there isn’t really enough between you for a relationship.

That feels a little kinder than needing to find a reason for it which is her fault.

HurryUpSunshine · 07/03/2021 08:08

Why do you need to announce anything?

MzHz · 07/03/2021 08:09

I think the Covid lockdown is a good way to frame this, adding in that things have changed for everyone, priorities have shifted and you both seemingly want very different things from your friendship, so to all intents and purposes you’ve outgrown each other so you’re stepping back to focus on your family etc

Yes she’ll make a drama out of it, be ready, and just don’t allow yourself to get dragged into it.

MzHz · 07/03/2021 08:10

@HurryUpSunshine

Why do you need to announce anything?
Because as self obsessed as Nina is, ghosting is really cruel
Monicuddle · 07/03/2021 08:28

If you’re really chicken...as I would be... you could just write “sorry, I’ve just got a lot on my plate just now. I’ll be in touch when things calm down”.

And maybe if she gives you a bit more space you’ll feel like catching up again. Or maybe not. Two years is a long time and not a long time. I’m sorry for your loss.

billy1966 · 07/03/2021 08:38

[quote couchparsnip]@HelenUrth
That's what I thought too. She always manages to make it about her. In the past I have cut her some slack because her childhood wasn't easy.
However, there's only so long that you can make excuses for people.[/quote]
Only on MN do I read that people not having an easy childhood an excuse for being selfish PITA.

I have a couple of friends that had very difficult childhoods, several loosing parents very suddenly when they were young, one loosing both parents to cancer within a year and being sent off to school, two loosing siblings to freak illness/accidents.

All were like bloody bombs into their childhoods, and effectively ended them.

They are all lovely people that don't use it to be mean and selfish around others.

Cut Nina loose whatever way works for you.

Loosing Anne has surely shown you, life is too bloody short for bad books, bad wine and bad friends.
Flowers

couchparsnip · 07/03/2021 08:41

@yaboo
Her intentions were clear and nothing was misconstrued. It was said in another room but loudly so I could hear - plus she had already said to me she was surprised I had taken so many books when she wanted some.
I don't think bonding by being nasty about other people is necessary even if that's what was going on.

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Dozer · 07/03/2021 08:42

The specific behaviours you mention of Nina’s that annoyed you were two years ago.

How often have you seen or talked to her since then, and how’s that been?

couchparsnip · 07/03/2021 08:50

I don't want to ghost her. I think I should say something but I do want to unfriend her on social media.

She text me while I was working the other day asking for a chat. I said I couldn't talk right now and she replied that yes she could see I was busy on facebook.
I'd just been on there in my tea break.

I am going to take the plunge and let her know I'm stepping back. If she wants an explanation I'll tell her we've grown apart since Anne's death.

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couchparsnip · 07/03/2021 09:05

@Dozer

The specific behaviours you mention of Nina’s that annoyed you were two years ago.

How often have you seen or talked to her since then, and how’s that been?

We used to meet up regularly before the pandemic. I would go around for a cup of tea or we'd go out for a meal.

I went out with Nina and a group of her DP's friends a couple of times. None of them were very friendly to me, probably because I was not taking drugs and they were!

Meeting Nina on her own was a bit draining. We would reminisce, which was nice but then she would need to unload something about her DP or a friend. I just felt like her counsellor. I like being there for my friends but its very one-sided with Nina.

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Sakurami · 07/03/2021 09:44

You know you can create lists on facebook so that you can put her on a list where she only sees the posts you want her to see?

I would carry on making excuses and stop letting her feelings or comments bother me. She seems quite bitchy and draining and she doesn't seem to care who she hurts by her comments so I wouldn't pussyfoot around her either.

Or, be honest with her. Tell her that the relationship is very one sided, you don't have anything in common with her now that your friend is gone etc.

couchparsnip · 07/03/2021 09:50

I've sent a message saying I'm not sure why she thinks I'm offended and I have a lot going on right now.
I then thought she deserved a bit of an explanation so I said I thought we had grown apart since Anne's death and perhaps we should give each other some space for the time being.
I haven't closed the door entirely - I am sure I will.need to see her with Anne's family occasionally so don't want to burn all.my bridges.

Now I'm having second thoughts. She hasn't read it yet. I can always delete.
I have an awful feeling of guilt in the put of my stomach.

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couchparsnip · 07/03/2021 09:51

@Sakurami
Thanks I will look into the list thing on facebook. It might make things easier.

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SparklingLime · 07/03/2021 11:29

Did you leave it as sent, @couchparsnip?

I think a fleeting feeling of guilt is probably common, even when your actions are totally sensible and justified. I expect that you’ll soon feel that it was/is the best thing to do though.

BlueThistles · 07/03/2021 13:09

be honest OP

look at how this friendship has left you feeling ... again and again

its time to be free of it all 🌺

couchparsnip · 07/03/2021 18:05

I guess that's it now.
She text back - That's just excuses. Bye.

Thanks for holding my hand. I feel awful but also relieved.

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Monicuddle · 07/03/2021 18:22

Well done OP that’s a weight off your back. Enjoy the peace now.

BlueThistles · 07/03/2021 18:25

Block

RonSwansonsChair · 07/03/2021 18:39

For what it's worth, I think you did the right thing OP. You were kind and considerate of Nina's feelings, while also thinking of your needs.

WildfirePonie · 09/03/2021 07:23

Well done OP Flowers

RestingPandaFace · 09/03/2021 07:34

If she sees your feelings as excuses she isn’t / wasn’t your friend Flowers

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