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Am I self sabotaging?

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piddocktrumperiness · 26/02/2021 08:50

A little background: Was in a very abusive relationship (psychological and emotional) that ended 4 years ago. It was an arranged marriage(cultural reasons). I have vowed never to settle again. So two years later I ventured out into the world of dating and got burnt a few times, mainly because I attracted avoidant men, that triggered my anxious attachment system. I didn't know I was an anxious person util I dated men who ghosted and failed to deliver on promises.

So I sat down one day early last year, and wrote down a list of attributes that I would look for in a partner, so that I can finally get clarity. The lockdown last year was the impetus for me to move into my own place, sort my life out, feed my soul through books and hobbies and it was a period of time that I tell myself was given to me to 'work on my self love chapter' so that I can attract a healthy relationship one day. So in my head I gave myself until 4 years to do that ( something to work towards but not feel rushed)

Anyway, late last year, I matched with someone and we clicked on may levels. He was pretty full on at the start and was very sure of what he wanted ( he had said he chose to be single for sometime after his last relationship, to get a better idea of who he is and what he wants out of a partner and life)
It all felt unfamiliar ( probably because the men I dated were vague and avoidant) so I brushed him off. I thought about him frequently after.

He reached out last month to tell me about something we both share in common and told me he was thinking of me too. He had said that he felt a spark v early on and he was excited at the prospect of meeting me again. I don't typically feel sparks- or that, I have not really ever. I have only had 1 2yr situationship after my marriage and a string of failed dates- no long term relationships after that, no relationships before marriage.

We met for a walk and it was pleasant. I have seen him frequently since and have spoken on the phone for hours on end, learning about him, and him, I.

One day, after a phone call we had, I took out the list I had written and saw he ticked every single one, bar a few; height (he's quite short, he swears like a trooper, has a strange laugh, though he makes me laugh our sense of humour isn't quite the same and he doesn't keep a very clean house (he hates cleaning, but when I visited his bathroom was grimy)

The more I see him I discover bits I like about him, but because I have flagged in my head those things I feel are not quite aligning, I have told myself he is not the one for me. I also am consciously focusing on those things- and wondering whether pursuing this further is me settling- or whether it will back and be the reason we argue or split up years down the line for example.

I do not have a healthy barometer of what relationships; healthy relationships look like and know that my list is a protection mechanism for me but I am hoping that you, if you are in a healthy relationship or have had experiences of a healthy secure relationship, whether putting aside things be them trivial, about your partner, have ultimately come back to haunt you or bother you or whether I am being ridiculous.

I don't want to let a good one go but I don't want to enter something that only lasts a little while whereby we both get hurt. I'd love for my next relationship to be my last.

Thank you for reading

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NotAgainNoMore · 26/02/2021 09:39

The little things that bother you now may well end up as a bigger issue further down the line. On a scale of 1-10, how much do they bother you?
1)Height
2)Weird laugh
3)Swearing
4)Cleaning

What are your deal breakers?
The first two he can't change but the other 2 could be worked on. But, this is who he is. As you get to know him more, they'll probably be other things.
I also wrote lists of qualities that I wanted in a partner and found I was adding to it the more people I dated! I did a lot of dating.
My lists turned into spreadsheets, lol, I'm quite analytical. It can cloud matters of the heart though as life and love isn't about facts and figures.
I'd say give him more time and go with your gut feeling.

piddocktrumperiness · 26/02/2021 10:00

Thank you!

I am quite analytical too and have created a spreadsheet with criteria before dating, and scored them out of 100- they had to get a above a certain percentage for a first or second date hahaha

My deal breakers are
Arrogance
Disrespect
Personal hygiene
Smoker
Poor communication
Inconsistency

Can I ask what your top 5 qualities are when looking for a partner?

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piddocktrumperiness · 26/02/2021 10:03

Height does bother be a bit to be honest. I'm 5'5 and can look straight at him so at best he's 5"7 and I don't know, it's superficial but I do wish he was much taller. So I'd say 7/10
The swearing maybe not so much if I can ensure he doesn't swear in public or around my family so maybe 5/10
The cleaning I guess can be worked around as he could and has Brough in a cleaner, which because of lockdown has been difficult so maybe 5/10
His laugh is weird, and again, I don't know if I'd get used to it. Not sure, maybe 6/10

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NotAgainNoMore · 26/02/2021 11:26

My top 5 used to be:-
Own house and car
Manners
Taller than me
Good relations with family
No weird hang-ups/vile habits
But they changed and the list grew.
The thing is, you don't really know anyone until you've been with them a few months and spent whole days/nights together.
You sound like you click with your man, there's no games, on the same page and assuming no red flags.

HollowTalk · 26/02/2021 11:40

A dirty bathroom when he knows you're visiting is very disrespectful.

OldEvilOwl · 26/02/2021 17:20

He could have cleaned the bathroom when he knew you were going to be there - that alone would be enough to put me off

Aquamarine1029 · 26/02/2021 17:24

He could have cleaned the bathroom when he knew you were going to be there - that alone would be enough to put me off

I agree 100%. He didn't even attempt to make a decent impression. He probably expects a woman will be his skivvy. NEXT.

piddocktrumperiness · 27/02/2021 11:54

I suppose. He did cook for us, my favourite meal and cleaned the kitchen.
Wow tha bar is on the floor isn't it? hahaha

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Gwenhwyfar · 28/02/2021 12:07

@HollowTalk

A dirty bathroom when he knows you're visiting is very disrespectful.
Depends how dirty. Some people's clean, is others' dirty. A very dirty person will clean and clean and it might still look dirty to a very clean person.
Eckhart · 28/02/2021 13:23

I do not have a healthy barometer of what relationships; healthy relationships look like and know that my list is a protection mechanism for me

This is the issue here. Instead of developing a healthy barometer, you are trying to make a tick list. Feelings don't work like that. This approach will not feel right. In fact, it isn't feeling right, is it. If this approach was working for you, you wouldn't have posted.

The reason it doesn't work is that feelings are unpredictable. Many, many successful relationships are based in a 'I never in a million years thought I would end up with someone who x or y', but the exact combination of a and b and c and x and d and e and y in that person is just right, somehow. It's a bit like a recipe; you can't just guarantee that a specific 5 or 6 ingredients together will taste good. It depends how they're combined, how long they're cooked for, their quality, and other variables.

My question for you is: If you don't have a healthy barometer for what healthy relationships look like, why are you trying to have a relationship? Your post looks to me like 'I can't drive, but I've got the directions to where I want to be. Is it wrong that I have hit 4 consecutive trees and my car is now parked straddling a wall?'

Not having a healthy idea of how healthy relationships work isn't something you can find an alternative for. You need to sort that out, and be happy alone, before attempting a relationship. Anything else will sabotage potential relationships; even those with partners who could be good for you.

PRIORITISE YOURSELF, NOT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP.

Jfsrhkkydcb · 28/02/2021 13:29

I agree that you need to have an understanding of what healthy relationships look like before you try to enter into one. I don't think you do.

Your bar still seems to be based on "not like my abusive ex so must be ok". That's an almost foolproof way to end up with another abuser.

Ticklists are a really dangerous idea for someone with past experiences of abuse and no internal sense of what a healthy relationship is.

Jfsrhkkydcb · 28/02/2021 13:31

My question for you is: If you don't have a healthy barometer for what healthy relationships look like, why are you trying to have a relationship? Your post looks to me like 'I can't drive, but I've got the directions to where I want to be. Is it wrong that I have hit 4 consecutive trees and my car is now parked straddling a wall?'

Good analogy.

piddocktrumperiness · 28/02/2021 19:14

@Eckhart
It really is a good analogy-thank you.

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piddocktrumperiness · 28/02/2021 19:18

I suppose I have been advised to get out there and try so that I can get a feel for what I like and don't in a partner. I also have an anxious or insecure attachment and my therapist advised me to put myself out there and date so I can learn not to attach. I am a one person person, and have felt like the best thing for me is to stay alone for a while, but my friends joke " he's not going to magically fall into your lap is he? this perfect man, you need to get out there and date to figure it out"

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piddocktrumperiness · 28/02/2021 19:20

Like what comes first? How do I know I am in a healthy relationship unless I am in one? aside from the red flags of course?

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Eckhart · 28/02/2021 19:34

@piddocktrumperiness

Like what comes first? How do I know I am in a healthy relationship unless I am in one? aside from the red flags of course?
Both come first. At once. You have to know how a healthy relationship looks for you, so, you offer yourself everything that you want in a partner. You become your own reassurance when you've had a bad day, you become the nurturing carer for yourself when you're tired, you're the one that takes you to nice places that you love (sometimes by surprise), and takes responsibility for making sure the practicalities in your life are taken care of. You suggest things to yourself that would be healthy for you to do, and would make you happy. You bring yourself coffee in bed first thing, you have flowers delivered to yourself, you buy yourself chocolates.

You do it all for you. You keep doing it until it's habit (and you feel lovely all the time because you've felt so appreciated and so worth doing all this stuff for), and then...

You meet someone. And he seems great. And then he brings you coffee in bed and it's cold and it's run all down the outside of the cup. You tell him, and he says 'God, you're so fucking sensitive' and THAT'S where it all comes into play.

You recognise at that point... 'I can do this better alone, actually, and be faaaaar happier!', and you tell him to sod off, and he goes, and you think 'I ROCK!!!' and make yourself a nice coffee, and you feel fine.

Self respect is just that: You have to spend some time respecting yourself. Treat yourself as the special guest in your life. Nurture yourself, until you know how it feels to be nurtured.

piddocktrumperiness · 28/02/2021 20:22

@Eckhart
That's amazing- and such great advice. I have been doing some of that for the last few years, and have been reading about self compassion too.
Thank you so much for taking time to post this advice.

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Eckhart · 28/02/2021 20:30

I hope it helps. You have to get as 'into' yourself as you would into a new and amazing guy. It's ALL ABOUT YOU. You won't seem arrogant to people because you're clearly a nice person - those close to you may notice a subtle change in your self confidence though.

There are things in life we have to do that aren't pleasant (paying bills, unblocking the toilet etc) but these are not emotional things; they're not relationship things. In your emotional life, from now on, only do things that make you feel good. There's no level of anything that you simply have to 'put up with'. If you don't like it, you walk. End of story.

That's boundaries, done!

Good luck Flowers

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