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Is this manipulative?

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TemporaryNameChanged · 22/02/2021 11:00

Have NC for this, as might be outing for those concerned.

A friend of mine wants to end his long term relationship (I've not quizzed him on why but he is patently unhappy, constant bickering and arguing, etc.) and has tried and tried to discuss with his partner that he would iike to leave.

She listens, agrees to the terms of their separation, and then acts as though the conversation never happened. So he raises it again, they agree (he thinks) that he will move out, how they will work things out (children involved), and then it's as though the conversation never happened. It's been going on for months. He wants to leave on some kind of good terms (i.e. not just walking out) but she won't recognise that he actually wants to end things.

I think it sounds a bit manipulative, and it's designed to keep him feeling confused and stop him from leaving. I've some experience of a long-term EA relationship myself, and this sort of gaslighting was one of the tactics employed against me.

However, I'm worried that this could be colouring my experience and I'd just like to be able to offer some constructive, impartial advice. I know from experience that dealing with somebody manipulative is completely different to dealing with a "rational" person, but i don't want to assume that everybody else's experiences are like my own.

Just want to be supportive - reading up on manipulative behaviours was very helpful for me, and I'm wondering if sharing some fot he resources I found would be useful for him. But obviously not if this is actually perfectly normal behaviour!

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Cinderstella · 22/02/2021 16:42

IMO I don’t think anyone should get involved in anyone else’s marriage or partnership no matter how close a friend.
a) you’ve only heard one side of the story and there are always two sides, sometimes differing wildly
b) if he’d truly wanted to leave, he would have left and then contacted her to discuss child arrangements, finances etc.
Are you the other woman?

Dontbeme · 22/02/2021 17:00

So they discuss the whole thing again, and he assumes things are settled. And then next time he mentions the separation

How long is it between these "discussions" OP, and what happens in the mean time? Does he just carry on as normal and expect her to do the same and then every fortnight mentions that he is moving out while putting the kettle on and asking where the last of the hob nobs are? It sounds stressful at best and emotional manipulation at worst. If he is going to move out he should get some bin liners and go, everything else will have to be hammered out when he leaves.

DoverSoul · 22/02/2021 17:01

maybe I am too invested as it's so similar to what happened to me

Do be careful. I know he's an old friend but he could be lying and mirroring your experience for whatever reason.

Closetbeanmuncher · 22/02/2021 17:14

Well he sounds spineless and a bit dim for a start...

He needs to stop trying to be the 'good guy' and crack on with moving out like a normal person.

They both sound manipulative and made for each other tbh

Sideorderofchips · 22/02/2021 17:25

@Cinderstella

IMO I don’t think anyone should get involved in anyone else’s marriage or partnership no matter how close a friend. a) you’ve only heard one side of the story and there are always two sides, sometimes differing wildly b) if he’d truly wanted to leave, he would have left and then contacted her to discuss child arrangements, finances etc. Are you the other woman?
Yes this was my thought. Are you the other woman.
TemporaryNameChanged · 22/02/2021 17:43

Nope, not the other woman, I have a bunch of male and female friends that i've known for a long time, and some of them have relationship problems that we have supported each other through.

As I said before, when I came out of my own very EA relationship I discovered a couple of friends were going through similar; we supported each other, and to be honest I needed them to give my head a wobble from time to time when I got sucked back into the mind games. I sometimes wonder if I'd have come through it without them.

So now I have a friend struggling through his own separation, and I was simply trying to weigh up whether to offer him the level of support I had received myself during my own separation (from female friends), or whether my own experiences were colouring things.

It sounds pretty unanimous that I should stay out of it, so I will. Not "over-invested", just trying to find the right level of support for a friend in need. We have no romantic interest in each other, and I've known him for 30 years. He may well be behaving appallingly throughout this whole thing, or she could be, or they both could, or neither.

I'll never know (only have one side of the story, indeed), and as I said above, I'll keep my nose out - that much seems to be unanimous!!

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