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Chicken and egg? Which came first - I'm a bitch, he's a liar

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scaredsadandstuck · 17/02/2021 11:51

My marriage with DH is so dysfunctional I barely know where to begin. We've been together for over 20 years as adults, but were childhood sweethearts way back in what was a defining relationship for both of us I think. We have two school age kids.

I am a bitch to him I know - I'm cold, snappy, critical and withholding. I am afraid I am the 'bad' one in this marriage. I haven't always been this way though. We don't really talk about anything important, although we can just about get on but it's superficial. There's no screaming and shouting though.

He's got a lot of issues from his childhood that he hasn't addressed despite repeated pleas over the decades to get therapy. This has manifested itself as a fear of being abandoned, low self esteem and shame. He is scared of conflict with me and is easily deeply hurt. He can't bare any kind of criticism (although I admit I am critical). When we got together we were young and I suppose I didn't think about what these issues might mean in the long term. I probably, in all honesty found them almost attractive and exciting as my family was boringly average. I grew up in a family where we didn't need to believe we or each other were perfect to be lovable. We might argue, but we got over it and still loved each other.

Over the years he's done some things to betray my trust. In the distant past I have confronted him and spoken to him about how the seemingly small betrayals/deceptions erode trust and make me doubt him on bigger issues. He smoked 'behind my back' for years, and continues to vape in 'secret' (god knows why, it feels like he needs the secrecy I think), in the past I've found he'd been accessing some quite extreme porn etc. The absolute worst was he secretly filmed us have sex, which I believe went on for over a year or so. For some reason that I still don't understand I didn't properly confront him about it. When I found out I just told him I never wanted it to happen again. Literally that was the entire conversation. I can still see the devastation and shame on his face. I buried this for a long time, partly because we had little kids and partly because of the shock of it I think - I don't know. I spoke about it with a therapist who said it was possibly illegal and abusive which I found quite shocking all over again..... But I think if a man behaved in the way I can be towards him that would also be abusive.

So am I bitch because he's a liar? Or is he a liar because I'm a bitch?

In truth I want this marriage to be over. It feels so broken. But I can't bring myself to devastate him (or our kids). The worst possible thing for him would be to have a failed marriage.

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RantyAnty · 17/02/2021 18:02

How old are your DC?

I understand you have this idea that they are your DH will be hurt if you want to split.

The thing is, it may not be true at all. Your DC knows the atmosphere between their parents and your DH may be relieved.

Cleverpolly3 · 17/02/2021 18:07

He is a fucking creep and a voyeur
If you didn’t want to be filmed and didn’t know he is also a criminal

How you can even look at him is beyond me

whichwayisup · 18/02/2021 10:47

The filming is a reason. Regardless of when it happened. He has manipulated you into downplaying the seriousness of it. Who knows what else he has been doing or who he's shared the films with. A quick Google of secretly filmed wife shows there is obviously quite a market.

Palavah · 18/02/2021 10:49

@Aquamarine1029

The most responsible thing you can do is end this marriage to stop your children from witnessing such an unhealthy, dysfunctional relationship. What you are modeling to them is going to impact the rest of their lives.
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gaijinetal · 18/02/2021 11:30

Im struggling to see how you being a "bitch" would cause him to secretly film you having sex for a year and lie about it (by omission) : that isn't something someone well adjusted would do in any circumstances.

Nor is the extreme porn use.

I'd imagine someone well adjusted would discuss you being "bitch" and if you didn't stop, leave.

Degenerate, extreme sexual behaviour is something in its own, and wouldn't be related to you being a bitch in my view

And yeah, the filming is a crime I think.

gaijinetal · 18/02/2021 11:34

He sounds like a weirdo.

There are lots of men who are in relationships with women they might consider bitches (!) - consistently or occasionally, and I can't imagine many of them took it upon themselves to film them and their wives having sex - without her knowledge or permission - for a year.

What exactly was he doing with the videos? Entirely for his use?! If he was into extreme porn, Id worry he uploaded them or parts of them onto porn sites in the amateur/stealth section. Which would be an even worse crime against you than just the filming.

gaijinetal · 18/02/2021 11:42

the filming happend a good few years back so I feel like it's not really a valid reason to give him anymore - to have held on to this for so long but not addressed it. It feels like I had my chance and I can't bring it up again

No offense but that's ridiculous.

You couldn't process it then ; and no wonder. It's massive. And that's without even knowing if he ever shared or uploaded any of those videos.

On a totally different subject people try to make a go if marriages after infidelity and break up years later ... Because that's the time it took to process it and come to the conclusion that they didn't want to be with that person or it was unworkable. And that's perfectly understandable.

Likewise sex crimes and abuse is often not really "accepted" and processed and then prosecuted (if they choose to) for years.

That's the nature of shocking, confusing, traumatic experiences. Esp when they mean, ultimately, ending a long term relationship/marriage and breaking up a family in its existing state.

You can process this any time you want, you can act on it any time you want, that's your right. He committed a sex crime against you .. an extended one.

Posting on here about it is a good start to processing it, you hid it/pushed it down before ; which is an understandable reaction, and a not uncommon one.

gaijinetal · 18/02/2021 11:47

Oh and by the way, you don't have to give him a "valid" reason.

He's not the judge, and even the judge doesn't need a reason other than unreasonable behaviour (which you gave one outstanding example of, in fact an example that could be prosecuted in another, separate court) .. or separation for a couple of years with consent of both parties or separation for five years without his consent.

He can't stop.you leaving, he can't stop you divorcing him, and he doesn't have to have a "valid" reason - you not wanting to be with him anymore is the bottom line.

If it was because you couldn't stand the way he breathes anymore, that would be fine. If you don't want to be there, you don't have to be.

Anyway ; who is he to need justification from you for splitting; he committed a fkg sex crime against you.

gaijinetal · 18/02/2021 11:50

And evening if he hadn't, if you don't want to be with him anymore a d want to separate,; that's your perogative. It's everyone's. People end marriages and partnerships every day of the week simply because they don't feel the same way, don't fancy the person any more, met someone else they like etc. etc.

But even if you did want to tell him you want out because you're processing what he did; it doesn't matter how long ago it was, it's still valid.

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