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Is my marriage over??

40 replies

furryboots12 · 10/02/2021 16:38

I feel like I don’t connect with my husband. We’ve been together 10yrs, married 8 with 2 DCs 6 and 4.
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He has little patience and a very short temper. Before we were married he once threatened to hit me in the face with a hammer, he’s slapped me in the face once, when I was pregnant we had a row in the car and he slammed on the breaks at 70 mph cutting the seatbelt into my belly. This was a good while ago but I’m still upset about it. Sometimes I feel like I’m waiting for him to do something like this one more time so I can tell him it’s over. He’s broken a few things in anger including: DCs dinner plate, one of the mirrored wardrobe doors when it wouldn’t shut right, one of the kitchen chairs when DD was picking at her food. He’s very critical and often angrily calls me stupid or an oaf or tuts and sighs loudly if I drop something, forget something or mess something up. He sometimes calls me or the kids ‘fools’ ‘retards’ ‘spastics’. He threatens the kids saying things like ‘if you don’t move your arm I’ll break it!’ or ‘if you don’t hurry up and finish your food I’ll force it into your mouth’. (He tried to do this to DD once and I physically removed him).

When I say anything about this behaviour he’ll say I’m overreacting and he’s ‘been a lot better lately and it’s not fair to bring up stuff from ages ago’ but I feel ashamed and a complete idiot for putting up with it for so long! I’m worried that it will have an irreversible negative effect on the kids, they often find his temper scary or upsetting (eg DD1 doesn’t want to do her reading homework with him because he always ends up shouting at her).

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We don’t have much in common. It makes me sad to think of all the things I want to do in life but he doesn’t or won’t: to go sit on a beach, play in the sand and swim in the sea with the kids, to go hillwalking, cooking together, play board games, have friends over for dinner, or even work on home improvement projects like decorating together.
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Sometimes I feel like a single parent. He works full time (Monday to Friday) and I work flexibly part time so I have more time to look after the kids. At the weekends he works on his hobbies in another room. He rarely comes out anywhere with us and if I suggest a day out with less than a weeks prior notice it’s a definite no!! If I have something on at the weekend he’ll sit and ‘watch’ the kids with his iPad and noise cancelling headphones on. We don’t plan anything together, it’s like he doesn’t want to spend time with me and the kids. We went on a staycation holiday and he wouldn’t help plan and book it. He didn’t get excited about the adventure we could have together and the opportunity to make memories. I organised it all alone, when we were there he spent evenings on his phone ignoring me.
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When I had DD2 he totally didn’t bond with her and wouldn’t come near either of us for months. I had PND and he’s bonded and loves her now (she’s 4) but I’m still so resentful. Since then our sex life has been non existent to the point where I don’t want him to touch me. We haven’t had sex for over a year.
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I’ve thought about separating but I am so scared I’m overreacting! Im scared of feeling lonely and the kids will resent me for breaking up what they perceive to be a happy home. The temper issues sound bad but there’s lots of times he’s calm and funny and kind... am I being really stupid here? Is this over or worth working out!? Help! x

OP posts:
furryboots12 · 10/02/2021 19:14

Wow! Thank you all SO MUCH! I needed to hear this.... I already know it’s not right and I should leave but I needed to validate, you’re right!

How do I explain we’re separating to the kids? I don’t want them to hate him or feel stuck in the middle. I’d love them to still have a relationship with him and I know/hope he’s not a physicaly dangerous person (or is that just what a victim of abuse would say?!? Confused)

OP posts:
ElliFAntspoo · 10/02/2021 19:37

@furryboots12

Wow! Thank you all SO MUCH! I needed to hear this.... I already know it’s not right and I should leave but I needed to validate, you’re right!

How do I explain we’re separating to the kids? I don’t want them to hate him or feel stuck in the middle. I’d love them to still have a relationship with him and I know/hope he’s not a physicaly dangerous person (or is that just what a victim of abuse would say?!? Confused)

Mine are similar ages. If it were me I would start with , "We're are going on an adventure." Then then when we were there and they started to ask, explain that DH needs some time, is angry, etc. You need to protect them, and he can go to the courts but ATM he has no rights, and you have a reason to continue moving. Your alternative to try to stay put and get him the f out of the house, but he knows where you are and you will not be safe, no matter what you think.

There are MANY people here with both first hand experience, knowledge of the systems, and legal expertise. I trust they will reach out to you.

Flowers Stay safe and stay focussed.

pallisers · 10/02/2021 19:43

You are not overreacting. You are underreacting.

God knows why you want your children to have a relationship with a man who threatens to break their arms, tries to shove food into their mouths and whom they find scary but I suppose you have been in this situation so long, you can't see him for the horrible, violent, useless bully that he is. And your poor children see this life as normal. They won't know themselves when they are living with just you in a calm, kind, peaceful home.

you deserve a lot better in life, OP. Your children certainly do.

For what it is worth, my guess is he will have stopped contact with his children in less than a year.

partyatthepalace · 10/02/2021 19:46

Op this man is Abusive and his behaviour is Criminal.

Please call women’s aid first thing in the morning if you can’t do it now. You need to leave for your own safety and that of your children.

They will help you find somewhere to stay, and you can leave tomorrow - just get packed up and go. Don’t tell anyone where you have gone initially if you are frightened he’ll come after you. Change your number. Once you’re settled, and have had legal advice you will feel much better. It’s great you work so it will be easier to rebuild. I’m not saying it’s going to be easy OP but the situation you are in is inhuman.

ElliFAntspoo · 10/02/2021 19:46

And EVERYONE - Make sure you have access to money and you don't spend it on clothes or gifts or things you think you need. Make sure you build yourself a little Emergency Fund for emergencies only, in your name so no-one else can touch it.

Doesn't matter how stable your relationship is, or how long you have been together. DP could drop dead tomorrow and you may not have money to pay the rent or buy food. It takes months to resolve an estate and unfreeze a bank account.

If your car broke down or was hit by someone else, could you afford to be hiring a car for three or four weeks while you resolved and insurance claim?

If your freezer broke down or your washing machine, do you have the means to buy another?

Credit cards are fine, but cash in the bank is better than debt accruing interest when you need to make important decisions.

With a grand in a bank that was only yours, you could walk out of the house and into a hotel or a B&B, and only the Police would be able to find you. Not your partner. With a joint account DP just needs to look at the transactions and ask the bank where they were drawn from, and he can follow you from a laptop with a mobile phone.

furryboots12 · 10/02/2021 20:15

Thanks @ElliFAntspoo I’ve got some money in my own bank account he hasn’t got access to.

OP posts:
Itstimetoquit · 11/02/2021 09:17

Morning op how are you x

NoraEphronsNeck · 11/02/2021 11:02

@ElliFAntspoo

And EVERYONE - Make sure you have access to money and you don't spend it on clothes or gifts or things you think you need. Make sure you build yourself a little Emergency Fund for emergencies only, in your name so no-one else can touch it.

Doesn't matter how stable your relationship is, or how long you have been together. DP could drop dead tomorrow and you may not have money to pay the rent or buy food. It takes months to resolve an estate and unfreeze a bank account.

If your car broke down or was hit by someone else, could you afford to be hiring a car for three or four weeks while you resolved and insurance claim?

If your freezer broke down or your washing machine, do you have the means to buy another?

Credit cards are fine, but cash in the bank is better than debt accruing interest when you need to make important decisions.

With a grand in a bank that was only yours, you could walk out of the house and into a hotel or a B&B, and only the Police would be able to find you. Not your partner. With a joint account DP just needs to look at the transactions and ask the bank where they were drawn from, and he can follow you from a laptop with a mobile phone.

Great post!
furryboots12 · 11/02/2021 12:38

Morning @Itstimetoquit! Thanks for checking in Smile I’m ok, my head is spinning! Yesterday I was thinking about leaving a less than perfect relationship and today I’ve got this idea of domestic abuse to get used to.. it’s quite overwhelming. I suppose I’m in denial about how bad things really are! I’ve never talked to anyone about how he really is.
I didn’t flee in the night, and I don’t feel we’re in immediate danger but I’m definitely sure it’s over. I just need to find the courage to tell him and the kids Confused

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 11/02/2021 12:52

Can you phone women’s aid for some support when he’s not around? Take care

NC866 · 11/02/2021 12:56

Good god, leave him and don’t let him have the kids unsupervised. You owe it to your children to get them out of this situation, they shouldn’t have to be subjected to a father like this. You are not over reacting, you’re very much under reacting!

ElliFAntspoo · 11/02/2021 13:23

@furryboots12

Morning *@Itstimetoquit*! Thanks for checking in Smile I’m ok, my head is spinning! Yesterday I was thinking about leaving a less than perfect relationship and today I’ve got this idea of domestic abuse to get used to.. it’s quite overwhelming. I suppose I’m in denial about how bad things really are! I’ve never talked to anyone about how he really is. I didn’t flee in the night, and I don’t feel we’re in immediate danger but I’m definitely sure it’s over. I just need to find the courage to tell him and the kids Confused
If you don't believe you are in immediate danger, and only you can make that assessment for yourself and your kids, then you have time to put things in place.

Buy a Pay as You Go SIM card for your phone, and stick a little credit on it. You check that it works, and activate it, and then usually if you don't use it, you have to top it up with a minimum every three months or so. You top them up at a supermarket checkout with cash.

Get into the habit of keep cash with you, in your purse, in a pert of your wallet, whatever. Two 20's and a 10 can be explained easily as 'just in case I'm out and I've not got my card with me.' 'Forgot my card but already filled the car with petrol', or 'in the park and kid falls and have to get to hospital'. Whatever the excuse. Keep cash accessible for if you don't want a card transaction appearing.

Think about how and where are you likely to go. Who will he phone first? Who will buckle and let something slip? Who will fold if he turns on the tears? Will he resist and go quietly if you put your foot down and tell him to leave the family home? Will he just drag it out and make promises? Are you strong enough to commit to separating, or will you buckle? Will he guilt trip the kids, or poison them with a skewed side of a story.

Kids always find out the truth in the end, but during a transitionary period, they only need one narrative. They don't need the stresses of deciding who to believe.

Will he go for joint custody? Will he conceal evidence of income? Do you know where your marriage certificate, birth certificates, passports etc are in the house? Make sure you have photographs of them in case you don't get a hold of them later. When you choose to act, you want a list of the things you need to take with you. That includes the marriage certificate, yours and your children's birth certificates, etc.

There must be a lot of information about how to sort this out most effectively. Thousands of women go through these exact same questions and fears every year. For the next six months, and probably into next winter, it will be a lot harder for him to pursue if you decide to leave (because Covid).

Also, are you tied to any debt in the household? Joint loans, credit card debt, council tax, etc. What bills come off of your account and what off of his. What happens when things do not get paid? Is there anything that is problematic if you you stop paying (of he stops paying) certain bills? Is there a joint account he can empty? Is there an problem if you cannot get access to your mail? (postman not e-mail.) Is your personal bank account e-mail only or will they send paper statements to the house for him to see what you've been buying on your personal account?

Clean up. Make sure ahead of time there aren't any bank statements left in the house etc. What in the house telegraphs that you have been planning for a while to separate?

ElliFAntspoo · 11/02/2021 13:30

Also, if they are around, photograph his pay slips, and personal documents. Evidence of income over a sustained period of time, his NI number, etc. Bank statements going back a few years. All these things can be kept in a private folder or an app on your phone, or downloaded onto a USB stick. Whatever you are most comfortable. Remember, if he finds a stack of files or photos of everything, you are looking at major confrontation, and you have indicated that it will likely be violent, so be careful. And if you are going to leave, don't have an argument and leave, plan to leave and follow the plan, and then have the argument over your old phone number once you are gone. That way he cannot hurt you or your children.

ElliFAntspoo · 11/02/2021 13:34

Flowers This is a big adventure. Plan it like a secret agent. If you don't ever do anything, at least you have learned that you can do something, can do it secretly, and know that it might have worked. It means you have found out that you are strong enough to do what you need to do, if you ever have to. I hope you find that strength in yourself.

RandomMess · 11/02/2021 17:35

Please do not tell him until you have all your plans in place including emergency contingency.

So many wise words already given Thanks

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