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Devious MIL

21 replies

Makeabrownie · 07/02/2021 21:30

I've been reflecting a lot during lockdown about some of MILs most recent troubling behaviours. I think she may be trying to conquer and divide DH and myself.

On the birth of DC1 she was extremely "full on" and critical and undermining. This led to me having PND and caused a great rift between DH and I which almost saw the end of our marriage. I NC'd for a year and slowly increased contact with her whilst she saw DC once a week with DH.

8 Years on, we have more DCs and she's still a meddling busy body with too much to say, but up until very recently, it's been like water off a duck's back. The novelty of having GCs has worn off considerably too!

However, lately I've had that sinking feeling in her company again and noticed little put downs that she has towards myself and even my own mother when nobody else is listening. An example was when DCs teacher commented that he had really progressed in his reading since lockdown 1 (I am a teacher so the 1:1 helped immensely) and she said "well, I'd say that's more down to his motivation than your homeschooling."
She also told me that she finds my mother's gifts to the children "over the top." My DM only sees us 4 times a year as she lives overseas. Activities I do with the DCs, she finds criticism and condescends my every opinion to do with their likes, dislikes and behaviours. I've even tested saying the opposite of what I really think just to see if she'll still disagree with me and she usually does!

She's a jealous, insecure woman.

I have spoken to DH today about my feelings around her after reflecting and I've told him I want to keep my distance from her even when lockdown eases. I'm not feeling at my most confident right now and find she's getting under my skin more than usual. He has been surprised by this, telling me that MIL is full of praise towards me when speaking to DH. This has really shocked me. She has to be playing a game here.

I'm now thinking that this is quite devious, making out to DH that she likes me, when at times when it's just me and her, she's highly critical and judgemental.

8 years ago, when all this started and I first spoke to him about his mother's odd behaviour, he told me that I fall out with people more than MIL does so it had to be my issue. Hence why we almost divorced. He thought that I was the one being difficult, following a fall-out with my brother.

8 years on, I've heard or seen MIL fall out with her sister, her own MIL, neighbours, waitresses, shop assistants, her husband daily.

And yet, when I broach MILs behaviours to DH or even other family members, their immediate response is to defend her. Excuses usually centre around
"she doesn't think"
"She didn't mean it like that."
"She can't help it."
"She's going senile"
"She just says whatever she's thinking without thinking."

I know that should I actually stand up to her the next time she does this by simply asking her to explain one of her underhanded, sarcastic remarks, I'm going to be the bad guy.

Is lockdown messing with my head or am I right to be annoyed by her behaviour?

OP posts:
ij96 · 07/02/2021 21:41

What she is doing is 100% sneaky.
You're not BU to be annoyed by this. If it was me I'd be cutting her out completely.

Hawkins001 · 07/02/2021 21:58

Seems like when you have to interact, you could use assistance from the philosophy of varys from game of thrones, eg, appear all appreciate of her views, wisdom ect, then when out of earshot, just do what you prefer ect

alexio · 07/02/2021 22:11

@Makeabrownie you are not being unreasonable. I'm in exactly the same position as you just not as far along the child timeline. My DC is 11 months and our issues started before DC was born and continue up till now. DH is very unsupportive and everything is my fault to do with MIL. I've kept my distance from her (obvs due to covid) don't speak to her on the phone or whatever.

It's so difficult and definitely puts a strain on the relationship Sad

FoxtrotOscarPoppet · 07/02/2021 22:14

YANBU

My MIL can be like this.
I “grey-rock” her now and it’s working....... Grin

Yerra · 07/02/2021 22:18

I live right next door to mine. She treated me badly so i just see her when she needs to borrow something or if she looking for hubbie to do something. I have it down to a fine art. See her in her house once a yr at xmas. Way better for me. Could not live with the knockdowns. I encourage our kids to visit but they at age they can. I just don't need the small talk. So try and have no unnecessary communication. Your husband should understand hopefully and let him continue to facilitate the kids visits to her house.

ELIZA8ETH · 07/02/2021 22:21

@ij96

What she is doing is 100% sneaky. You're not BU to be annoyed by this. If it was me I'd be cutting her out completely.
I agree. You don’t need this stress in your life.
BlueThistles · 07/02/2021 22:41

You are not the problem OP... you're just nobody's fool... and you are not fooled by her two faced behaviour...

Cut her off... don't give her headspace... blank her like she does not exist 🌺

moochoom · 07/02/2021 22:53

I had the same problem, my MIL made my life hell for a number of years, used to put me down, say awful things about me to my children and made me feel terrible about my parenting skills. It got to the point where I had a breakdown and actually tried to take my own life early last year because it affected me so badly. We don't see or speak to each other now and my life is so much better.

PicsInRed · 07/02/2021 23:11

Your H knows exactly what she's like - he wants you seeing her so he doesn't have to deal with her himself. You're effectively an "offering" in exchange for him getting some peace.

Don't bother asking H's permission to see less of her. Just do it by stealth and pretend you've been busy, missed her call, were out etc etc.

Also, as a PP said. Grey rock her.

I would suspect you also have a husband problem ...but one thing at a time.

Makeabrownie · 07/02/2021 23:20

@moochoom I'm sorry to hear that your MIL had such a hugely negative impact on your mental health. Hope you have lots pf support in your decision not to see her again x

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Todaytomorrowyesterday · 07/02/2021 23:33

My MIL is very like this. Thankfully I’m very lucky my husband can see what she is like - she regularly has fallen out with people and seems to go through friends!
Lockdown has only given me one positive outcome I’ve not had to see her. When allowed husband has travelled to see her & it’s worked out easier for all so will continue the arrangement.
She hasn’t seen her grandchildren and my older child who in the past has seen what she is like has said it’s a relief not to have to spend anytime with her.
Her loss. To be honest she just wants the 121 attention of her son so happy to give her that.
Like others said over the years I have had to grey rock. I hate when husband on Facetime with her and she says can anyone hear me..queue her asking if I’m doing enough to look after him. He has a stressful job. Sadly he won’t stand up to her and just nods along but I understand he’s an only child and he is all she got.

yvanka · 07/02/2021 23:51

She does sound jealous and insecure. I would grey rock her, as suggested above, and try to remind yourself of how sad her life must be for her to act like this. It feels better to pity people than dislike them.

SoSadBaby · 08/02/2021 01:13

Why do you have to see her or speak to her? Can’t your DH take the GC round to her etc? You can be civil and polite, hello how are you, but not engage further. And never be on your own with her, only with DH.

Personally I’d want her out of my life completely. Perhaps that’s not totally possible for you, but you can get pretty close if you want to. Excuses until the message gets across. You’ve started a new course, you’re looking into studying, applying for new job or jobs, you’re busy planning. Pretend to take an A level or OU degree. After a while it will just become normal that you hardly ever see her.

If you don’t have agency over that i.e. stopping seeing slyly abusive or unpleasant people, and your husband supporting you there, there is something wrong, and you will need to fix it.

SoSadBaby · 08/02/2021 01:19

Also sorry to hear that Mooch. I’m glad things are much better for you.

PersonaNonGarter · 08/02/2021 01:25

I think you are giving this too much headspace.

You need to find a way of dealing with her like you would a dick colleague or a really annoying husband of a friend. Yes, super irritating and potentially destabilising - but only if you let her.

billy1966 · 08/02/2021 01:32

Great advice above.

Your husband is a part of the problem.

Don't bother explaining or trying to convince him of anything, he is clearly suiting himself and hasn't got your back.

Suit YOURSELF too.
TELL him that you are busy and just be unavailable.

Offer her no information no opinion if you do see her.
Keep it brief and keep it bland.

Grey rock is perfect, start practicing.

It is not good for a person's MH to have such toxicity it their life, so take control and minimise it as much as you can.

Remember, no explaining just TELLING your husband what's happening.

Protect yourself.Flowers

Makeabrownie · 08/02/2021 01:57

Thanks for the helpful advice.

Pre-lockdown there was a big expectation to spend time with ILs. Lots of family meals and celebrations which were difficult for me to wiggle out of. Also, MIL always makes a beeline for me and will talk to me constantly so it's been difficult to get away from.

Also, I drop off DCs one morning a week as they do the school run so I can go to work early and then I also collect them on Fridays after they've stayed for dinner. So avoidance isn't entirely possible and it means I have to be alone with her. She gets offended if I have to rush off (pre-lockdown) but then, perhaps she doesn't deserve my politeness in staying for a chat.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 08/02/2021 02:31

Google Greyrock method of communicating and get practicing.

Could your husband do the drops and pick ups, even half them?

Look for other solutions.

Do not allow her to take your MH.

Flowers
yvanka · 08/02/2021 02:50

Can your DH drop off and pick up the kids? Even if it's less convenient for him to do it, you're not unreasonable to lessen your involvement with someone who criticises you. I bet he wouldn't put up with it from your family. He can do all the calls and texts too, as he thinks she's so delightful.

yvanka · 08/02/2021 03:07

She resents that you're now the 'main mum' in the family, being the one with young children, so tries to undermine you with her superior parenting knowledge. We see it all the time on here.

With regard to the unavoidable interactions and criticisms, I would go for a cheery brush-off and a change of subject, or preferably excuse yourself from the conversation.

Homeschooling comment - "you're welcome to take over next week haha"

Gifts from your mum - "Well the children love them!"

Always include a condescending smile.

R0BYN · 08/02/2021 04:48

@PicsInRed

Your H knows exactly what she's like - he wants you seeing her so he doesn't have to deal with her himself. You're effectively an "offering" in exchange for him getting some peace.

Don't bother asking H's permission to see less of her. Just do it by stealth and pretend you've been busy, missed her call, were out etc etc.

Also, as a PP said. Grey rock her.

I would suspect you also have a husband problem ...but one thing at a time.

This.

Does she look after the children so your husband can go to work ? In that case, get him to do drop off and pick up ? he can stay and be nice to her, it’s his mother.

You are wasting your breath talking to him about it and expecting him to be on your side. He’s not and he won’t be. You need to take action to create distance between yourself and her.

I agree with PP that this is mainly a DH problem. He would rather upset
You than her.

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