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My daughters father is toxic toward me

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Aquariussuns · 01/02/2021 19:50

Hi
I think I need to rant on here because I am so sick to death of constantly biting my tongue. For background - I am not in a relationship with my daughters father because he was great when we first met but over time his emotional meltdowns became too much for me to deal with and I chose to leave our relationship when I was pregnant because he was literally making me ill.

Since she’s been born I’ve been trying to encourage their relationship and in the first year of her life he cancelled the arranged times for him to see her so many times but used to use me as the reason why. For example on more than one occasion he said to me that he had meetings after work so would be late to see her (she was only a tiny baby so he would come to my house for contact in the early days which he was happy with as he didn’t feel confident). I said it was fine about him running late and he would say ‘oh no you’re so tired so I’ll see her tomorrow’ even though I said loads of times I’m not tired and he would say he’s just looking out for me. Then a few days later he would message saying he was upset he didn’t get the chance to see our daughter much because of how tired I’ve been and it’s unfair?

He also demanded to have her for full days without me from 4 weeks old when she was exclusively breast fed and told me what a selfish mum I was when I said this wouldn’t work. He said that my choice to breastfeed was actively stopping my daughter from connecting with her dad.

He has introduced DD to three different girlfriends since she’s been born (she’s only 20 months) but still insists on telling me that he won’t be happy if I were to ever meet someone as it won’t be fair on him that they will see DD more often than him. I haven’t seen anyone and don’t intend to for the foreseeable because I can’t be fucking arsed with the punishment from him.

I had to force him to pay maintenance and when I had the audacity to bring that up initially he said ‘do you know how it feels to have to ask my girlfriend to pay for our meals out because I can’t afford it - how do you expect me to pay you money as well’.

There are so many examples and each and every time I’ve kept my cool because you simply can not hold a different opinion to him - he explodes and becomes so passive aggressive. Last year we had a disagreement because I bought him a hamper with all the shampoo and bath soap I use for DD as a nice gesture to show my support to him for her first overnight stay. This got twisted to me being controlling and implying he’s an incapable dad which then led to him telling me he is not going to be letting me know how DD is when she stays with him for the foreseeable future. She was only 13 months old at the time and this felt so cruel and drove me almost insane. I had horrific PND with suicidal thoughts and was ill to the point where at times I couldn’t even get words out of my mouth and lost a sickening amount of weight. He knew this and told me to stop trying to make him feel bad when I told him in conversation once. He was going off about something and I said to him to please stop because I was unwell and just couldn’t deal with the abuse - he would send me paragraphs and paragraphs of it.

Anyway the reason for this rant is because I’ve had it up to my eyeballs now. So the most recent mood swing is because last Saturday he messaged saying ‘can I FaceTime DD tomorrow’ to which I said yes of course we will give you a call. I text him at 2pm on the Sunday saying DD had just woken from her nap (she was having later naps that whole week as me and her were Covid positive and the fatigue hit her hard). He then told me not to bother because it was too late in the day and he had to walk his dogs. I said ok, we can FaceTime this evening or tomorrow evening and he said don’t worry about it. I then got silent treatment for 3 days - he didn’t bother asking how DD was even though he knew she was unwell. He then text on the Thursday saying that he was angry and ‘miffed’ that he never got the chance to FaceTime DD which is why he didn’t want to talk to me. I said I’m confused about that statement as I offered him three different opportunities in those messages and it’s unfair to make me appear difficult when I feel I’m actually very accommodating. He then said I always turn everything around and make it out like it’s a witch hunt against me. He sent his usual texts which are filled with paragraphs of reasons why I’m unreasonable and he’s hard done by. I simply replied saying ‘I know it’s been hard for you to not see her whilst we’ve been isolating. You are welcome to FaceTime whenever you like, always.’ And he accused me of being blunt and rude.

I’m fucking sick of him. Him being in my life is just a constant erosion of my sanity. He has said some awful things to me over the years and treated me like a piece of shit and I always put my feelings about him aside because it’s not my DDs problem and this should not affect her. But it’s so hard because I bend over backward and I never rise to his pathetic passive aggression but it gets so tiring being the strong one all the time.
I feel like I’m left with residual energy and anger from stuff I refuse to say to him because it will just give him a reaction which is what he wants from me.

Since she’s been born he goes in cycles of hating me and then turning nice and then asks me on a date (this has happened six timesaver - I’ve said no every time) even though it was my decision to split up and each time I say no he ends up sulking and making unreasonable demands about contact with DD. I’m just sick of co parenting with someone who projects all their emotional trauma on to me. I don’t deserve it and it’s really getting me down.

Sorry for the rant.
If you got this far then I appreciate you listening to my scrambled words.

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2021hastobebetter · 01/02/2021 19:57

The answer don’t play the game. Or play it harder. Email.

Dear x
Due to the constant sealing and rearranging by yourself and the fact I am constantly trying to appease you and offer alternatives that are not appreciated from now on:
FaceTime will be one x night at x time if you are not available, this will be understood but an alternative will not be given.

Contact will continue to take place on x days at x time.

His time his rules. Your time your rules.
Consistently from now on is the key.

If he talks about your life just say I’m not discussing it and end the call. Disengage

Santaiscovidfree · 01/02/2021 20:01

Offer him set times. He either sticks to them or misses out.
Yabu to accept being at his beck and call.
Cms need to collect the financial support he is legally obliged to pay..

Aquariussuns · 01/02/2021 20:05

The maintenance is sorted now. I was giving the example of the initial backslash to help explain the difficulties. I understand that it may be seen as weak to appease him but I think the reason I’ve done that is because when I keep my mouth shut he listens to me and communicates with me about our daughter and the moment I don’t I get punished through her and it’s painful.

I feel strong enough to deal with that now but I have not felt like I could cope with that until this point.

I agree about consistency. I suppose I am just nervous about putting the boundaries up because of his tendency to become nasty when I do. It’s a difficult situation to navigate.

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millymoo1202 · 01/02/2021 20:09

Agree with above, don’t engage with him. Set out his contact times and keep a diary, instruct CMS and move on with your life as you can’t put up with this for the next 17 odd years

Santaiscovidfree · 01/02/2021 20:14

You know a judge wouldn't order your dd to be available 24/7 for his viewing don't you? As much as he is entitled to have a relationship with her, so are you. Without the anxiety of him possibly ringing or messaging you daily. You are entitled to relax with your dd in your own home.
Imo get a cheap phone for his contact. Block him on your regular phone and switch it on at the allocated times only.

Aquariussuns · 01/02/2021 20:20

Thank you. I feel over time I’ve just been so gaslighted that I actually have lost perspective on what is reasonable and what isn’t. I feel like I would be being obstructive if I were to say he can’t FaceTime when he asks etc. But I do see that it’s ridiculous and such a bad cycle to be in.

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Wanderlusto · 01/02/2021 20:20

Block him on everything bar one method of contact and dont reply to anything that isnt about the child (and even then, only the stuff that u want to reply to). Hsbe a friend or family member do the drop off and pick ups as often as possible. He is your ex for good reason and you get to say how much it how little contact you want. If he harassed you then don't be slow to call the police. Sometime that's the only language his sort understand.

StephenBelafonte · 01/02/2021 20:21

I agree with everyone else. Offer him set times and if he doesn't bother it's his loss. And there really isn't any need to engage with him or answer stuipid texts like "oh boo hoo it's so humiliating my girlfriend had to pay for me" . Honestly, stuff like that doesn't even deserve an answer.

Aquariussuns · 01/02/2021 20:28

Thank you. I think I’ve been scared to appear like the obstructive mum because he is so desperate to paint me in that light it’s pathetic. I think only responding to questions about DD is the right way - surely he will get bored of trying to get a ride out of me.
I think I feel emotionally today because it’s been nearly two years of this utter bullshit and I thought her of ran out of energy by now and just be a reasonable human being but it looks like he’s incapable of being that.

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Aquariussuns · 01/02/2021 20:29

Get a rise out of me*

I’ll be dead before he ever gets a ride out of me again...

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Aquariussuns · 01/02/2021 20:30

Apologies for the typos I’m typing furiously.

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WitchDancer · 01/02/2021 20:49

@Aquariussuns

Thank you. I think I’ve been scared to appear like the obstructive mum because he is so desperate to paint me in that light it’s pathetic. I think only responding to questions about DD is the right way - surely he will get bored of trying to get a ride out of me. I think I feel emotionally today because it’s been nearly two years of this utter bullshit and I thought her of ran out of energy by now and just be a reasonable human being but it looks like he’s incapable of being that.
He's going to paint you as obstructive whatever you do. Draw a line in the sand and stick to it.
2ndtimemum2 · 02/02/2021 06:57

Op I don't meant to hijack you thread but I could've written those posts word for word its scary! My story is identical to yours except my little girl is 6 months so I'm not as long dealing with my gaslighting ex as you are. Its so exhausting though..I tried mediation and my ex used it as an opportunity to say nasty things about me when he had the mediator as an audience...he didn't even mention my baby!!

He won't set days and I'm afraid to put my foot down because if I do he says I'm being controlling and stopping him seeing his daughter...hes ignored me for 13 days and I have no idea why he just ignored me and didn't ask for his daughter once. The thoughts of having another 20 years of this is crushing to me.

Not much advice to give but just to let you know your not alone in this x

Idratherberude · 02/02/2021 07:18

Like the above posters said, communication by email is best and save everything you send and receive.
Just ignore the rants, the emotional blackmail and only reply to the parts which are necessary.

intheenddoesitreallymatter · 02/02/2021 07:28

God that sounds awful, you have the patience of an utter saint.

It's time to harden up, though. He will continue to use your kindness and want of your daughter to have a relationship with her father to take you both for a ride.

She deserves to know that she is not an after thought and she is entitled to consistency. You both are, your lives do not revolve around this man.

Stop communicating with him constantly, tell him you will no longer respond to incessant messaging and all communication must be via x email or a new number therefore you have a trail of all communication should you end up in court.

Then outline a clear arrangement that works for you - not him, you and DD. He can facetime at 3pm on X day and can see her every Sunday or some such schedule. If he cannot stick to his, he cannot see her.

If he doesn't like it, you will see him in mediation. He only walks over you because you let him, you and your daughter deserve better than this!

category12 · 02/02/2021 07:53

Thing is, you appeasing him doesn't stop the nastiness, he just pushes harder and messes you about and keeps you running around.

Put in boundaries, give set times for contact, don't be flexible (beyond say half an hour). Don't let him piss you about anymore.

You need to do this for yourself.
And more importantly, you need to do it for your daughter. Forget you, do it for your dd.

Either he'll shape up a bit or he'll ship out - but allowing him to piss her about as she gets older will have an awful effect on her. At the moment she's not too aware, but she will be. Bending over backwards for him doesn't work, he just exploits you. Be firm, that way you can plan around his shit and mitigate her disappointments.

Wanderlusto · 02/02/2021 13:24

Unfortunately his kind take kindness and compromise as weakness. And they attack weakness. Always and relentlessly.

He will always paint you as obstructive/bad/craxy/cold or whatever suits his narrative as the poor little victim. Tell him your phone is broke and block him. Give him the number of a burner phone which you only check once a day (or even just when he has the kids or is due to have them).

Block him on everything else. Email, social media ect. And block anyone who would report back info on you to him as well. Save and screenshot all his nasty messages.

He will go spare probably but hold firm. If he shows up at your house throwing a tantrum or makes any threats (or harasses you further) call the police. It actually would be handy for you to get something like that on record anyway.

Chiccie · 02/02/2021 13:49

Do not let this toxic arsehole put you off finding another partner. Most are not like this guy and why should you miss out. Date if you want to. You owe this wanker nothing. What you need to do is stop replying to messages. Keep copies of everything. Go see a solicitor about getting a structured child contact arrangement. CMS for maintenance. Do everything with him by the book and don’t give an inch. People like this cannot be reasonable. Don’t respond to any more messages. Silence until you’ve seen a solicitor. Book one today.

Wanderlusto · 02/02/2021 13:55

Well here here pp! But op should work on her boundaries for a while before looking for another partner. He has eroded them and so she will be at risk of attracting other abusers. Especially love bombers ect (ones that seem too good to be true and the opposite of him...in the beginning).

Nothing wrong with being single anyway!

Sidewalksue · 02/02/2021 14:08

Fix times for visits/FaceTime
Don’t move these
When he cancels, that’s it, keep a record of his reasons for cancelling (screenshots)
Keep a diary of it all
Don’t give him any headspace, don’t tell him anything about your life, don’t engage.

Aquariussuns · 02/02/2021 14:34

Thanks everyone for the wise words.

You’re all right I do need to be firm and take control of the situation - especially the older she’s getting like a PP said her awareness will increase.

@Wanderlusto you’re right about boundaries. I know this is why I ended up in a relationship with someone like him because I had none. I have been through months of counselling but I know I need a long time alone and I’m enjoying this time with DD anyway - I don’t have time to date!

@2ndtimemum2 I’m so sorry you are dealing with the same crap. The only advice I can give is don’t cave and ask why he’s ignoring you and punishing you as it plays in to his hand. I have been ignoring my ex when he does this recently because whenever I’ve asked what his problem is in the past it’s opened a can of worms and just becomes a toxic battlefield. It’s impossibly hard sometimes but our children are worth more than this and like PP’s have said i suppose all we can do is stand firm and offer them consistency.

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