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Can anyone explain this to me please?

31 replies

TheGrandfatherClockWasTooTall · 30/01/2021 06:33

Forgive me for this. Lockdown has given me lots of time to think - there's not much else going on after all!

I have a male friend who I've known for a few years.

He has had one 10 year relationship, a few dates and the odd fling here and there but nothing more. He lives alone. He is completely self sufficent.

He's not a sexist in the sense that he thinks women shouldn't work or be independent; nor in the sense that that women should be the domestic labourers in the home. He has no sense of entitlement towards sex and has no issue with women saying no to sex. He is kind, thoughtful and compassionate. He doesn't believe women are delicate little flowers and doesn't have any expectations of women behaviourally that he doesn't have of men. He doesn't speak badly of women who enjoy sex and the traits he dislikes in women are traits he also dislikes in men. He doesn't hold women to different standards.

However, he often makes remarks about younger women. Much younger women. We had a conversation recently where he was telling me that he thought it was normal for men in their 70s to ogle beautiful, slim, sexy 20 year olds. He said I wouldn't find a man who didn't. He regards it as natural law. I don't mean admire or look at but actively desire a sexual relationship with. He said he will be one of the old men in a care home ogling the young carers 🤮

He agreed that there was a difference between noticing a beautiful woman and leching over her.

But he said it was normal for men to be sexually attracted to much younger women - even those young enough to he their granddaughters and that men just don't think about it in the way that women do.

Tbf, he assumes that older women look at 20 something men in the same way.

A couple of years ago, he was clearly interested in me and asked me out but I turned him down largely because of this. I have no interest in dating someone who is constantly looking around for much younger women to be sexually attracted to. He showed an interest in me again more recently so whatever it is, it clearly hasn't gone away for him.

He thinks nothing of commenting on beautiful women but will equally comment on attractive men.

My question is this.

I was in my early 40s at the time. He is a few years older than me.

I don't believe for a second that he is looking for a life partner who will cook and clean for him, nor one who will provide sexual services for him. He admits he uses porn but thinks that other aspects of the sex industry - eg using cam girls etc are sleazy. He prefers the porn of the 70s rather than the very violent misogynistic stuff of today. He thinks stripping is the ultimate female empowerment because those women have men completely in their power and that it is the women who are exploiting the men not the other way around.

He asked me out because he thought I was a "really nice person". I assume that he must have desired me on some level... 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm neither slim, nor beautiful, nor young. I've never really understood what he saw in me or why he asked me out when these are clearly the women he is interested in and I'm not one of them.

It's a moot point really, I've just been thinking about it.

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FinallyHere · 31/01/2021 09:02

I think he just begrudgingly accepts that these women wouldn't be interested in him.

This rings true for me.

I'd guess that he has a more modern, less completely blatant division of women into desirable but not interested versus interested but not desirable.

Whatever else it is, it's a way of thinking, that wouldn't be good for his self esteem (or for anyone foolish enough to have a relationship with him). Similar to 'I wouldn't want to join any club that would accept me as a member'

Not sure why he shares these thoughts about younger women unless it is so that you can't later complain about it, because he has warned you. Seems to me to demonstrate selfishness

It would give me the 'ick' too and I would run away, if only to avoid ever having to wonder whether he was really only interested in access to my DD

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 31/01/2021 09:39

Its definitely an odd/off putting thing to admit! Yes i too would feel protective of my daughter so maybe thats why your spidey senser has gone off?

He may just be a bit old fashioned and crass.

Either way, do you fancy him or not, would you like to sleep with him or spend the rest of your life with him?

If not he's been friend zoned and its his own fault, not yours xxx

Newfor2021 · 31/01/2021 10:01

I think it’s the difference between what he knows he can get and what he wants.

It reminds me of an ex, we’d not been dating long as were having an amazing date, sat in the sun people watching with a glass of wine. A stunning very young, very slim girl wafts past, she looked straight out of a magazine.
He turned round and said to me ‘I’m really enjoying dating someone so different to my usual type as she’s what I’d usually go for’

FYI I’m 5’6 was mid 30’s and curvy.

I nearly spat my drink out! Not only did he manage to insult me. But it was the fact that he actually thought he’d have a chance with her, as to be honest I look back and I was lowering my standard!!

I think some men are just wishful thinkers and get fantasy confused with reality! These men are much better off as exes - or to have never gone there! Grin

Dery · 31/01/2021 10:08

“But it was the fact that he actually thought he’d have a chance with her, as to be honest I look back and I was lowering my standard!!”

I once heard a man say that all men think they’re just a 6-pack away from dating Elle Macpherson...

ImaHogg · 31/01/2021 14:15

My husband works in a very physical, male dominated industry, whether this makes a difference or not I don’t know but most of his work colleagues think like your friend and that is of all age groups he works with from late 20’s through to those in their late 50’s/60’s. Maybe it’s a biological throw back who knows.
But if it’s bugging you enough to ask on here then maybe best to keep him as a friend.
The biggest worry for me would be that he is in his 50’s and has only maintained one 10 year relationship. I know someone exactly like this and I know that he can not keep a relationship going so would be a big no for me.
Is it worth spoiling your friendship for?

MaelyssQ · 31/01/2021 15:01

I wouldn't find a man like him attractive and I certainly wouldn't want to expose my teenage daughter to his lecherous glances and sexual thoughts.

Keep him as a friend and seek someone better to be a partner.

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