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Does he really thing saying this is helpful

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Snackinginthebath · 27/01/2021 13:32

Backstory, DP travels for work, was away for first lockdown which was all manner of hell, we had a semi break for a few weeks at the end of the year as he ‘discovered’ things which he blew out of proportion from a few years ago. All fine we decided it was worth working through it as he’d lied about certain things which I felt forgiveable under the circumstances so as neither of us are perfect we would live with that fact.

He is working away still and can’t come back due to the restrictions / quarantine so it’s easier for him to stay were he is as getting back to where is from the U.K. is a challenge and work is time sensitive. It’ possible, but to be honest it’s all very complicated but still possible but he’s chosen not to because of the quarantine times. Fine I understand that but before our falling out he absolutely would have back sure if he could be back he would.
I’ve not seen him in a very long time so when the day before he was due to arrive, so but not sorry no. I get the situation around travelling right now but the constant last minute changes to everyone scheduling because of his decisions are a constant and preceded Covid. Also the fact he would always be back if remotely possible.

This morning I had an absolute meltdown, power out, water, heating etc has gone and faffing and fussing to get it fixed, two vulnerable children and one physically disabled one (they aren’t his), and I got upset with him as if he sense I’m upset he disappears. Spoke to him and it ended up in me saying it wasn’t going to work with this set up and he refuses to make the time and effort etc, his response was he feel less motivation because of what I apparently did, and when I interjected to tell him he was still wrong about what he thinks went on (I went out with friends and drank too much and DIDNT have a bloody affair) I was told to
F off so I hung up.

I always end up feel small pathetic and needy but I’m having real actual life challenges and have zero remote support just get told it’s all out of everyone s control so I won’t dwell. Easy enough when lockdown doesn’t impact in any way, I may very few demands and understand the travel that’s not the issue.

I am finding it hard to put into words what the actual problem is to be honest but being told to ef off because of something he thinks happens but sort of admits he could be wrong is really deflating.

I’m at my wits end and so angry but not a normal kind of angry as I’ve never been in this situation before.

I think lockdown is making me insane and I think maybe someone can shed some light, he’s being a bit of a bastard. I thought we were doing ok but the comment about well I have less motivation after what you did has really made me sit up. We aren’t obviously speaking now as he doesn’t like it when I get angry. I don’t like it when I get angry it’s out of character but it’s the same shit with him and in day out. He’s hugely avoidant which compounds matters.

My god that was long.

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Cockenspiel · 27/01/2021 21:38

He sounds like a dick!

Honestly, all you are getting from this is head-fuck and slow but sure erosion of your self-esteem whilst he toys with you. You know you’ve done nothing wrong and he is counting on you continuing to be a sucker.

Fuck that!

Gather yourself, deep breath and cut him off!

Focus on yourself, get back in contact with friends and rebuild yourself away from this joy sucking, feeble-arsed twat. 💪

litterbird · 28/01/2021 08:18

First of all, you have 3 demanding children at home. I work at an SEN school and college so can understand how you feel. This relationship has really run its course. It’s causing you tremendous grief and is energy sapping for you. Just stop all communication, step back, gather your thoughts and work towards your freedom from this man. You don’t live together and have to other commitments. You need to lean on any friends and family to be your adult chat. It must not be him. The relationship has no where to go anymore, it’s dead in the water. Get support from anyone else but him, if you have let your friends and family go because you’ve spent too much time chasing him or dealing with your children then just get back out there and re connect. Thank goodness you don’t live together as it would be a difficult relationship for sure. A trip to the GP might help if you believe you really aren’t coping and they may help with on line therapy support or medication.

Jumpers268 · 28/01/2021 08:38

So you're stressed and overwhelmed with life at the minute and he told you that he has "less motivation" for your relationship and told you to "fuck off"? Wow. Just wow. I'd back off completely from him. You deserve a partner who's there for you. Who understands that things are stressful and is supportive, however they can be.

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 28/01/2021 09:00

You spend hours agreeing that yes I'm terrible and must be more mindful of my behaviour

Who does this to a partner they are supposed to love and cherish? It's pure punishment. Would you ever put some-one you love through hours of making them agree that they're terrible?

And I'm not clear what it is you are supposed to have done but whatever it is seems to have occured a long time ago and never amounted to anything more than a drunken night out followed by a drunken inconsequential conversation.

He needs to get over this incident, forget about it, and move forward with you, and if be can't do that you should end the relationship.

It's abusive to keep on punishing you for some minor incident that is now all water under the bridge.

Don't play his games..

Snackinginthebath · 28/01/2021 09:43

Yes he’s being a dick. Even I can see that now.

What happened was nothing, just that and it’s still brought out and used as an excuse as to why he isn’t here as I pushed him away, he needs space etc etc etc. He doesn’t want to quarantine as apparently it will jeopardise work, I think this is just and excuse.

He said he will do whatever he can from now but it’s up to me what that is. So I must go to him to ask for whatever help I need. I feel like he’s trying to control everything and it’s making me very resentful of him and I feel like I’ve discover a bit of a ‘nasty side’ to him that after years and years and years together I’ve never seen. How could I not see this!

Why does he keep using something from years ago now. He maintains he keeps
Finding out new things which is untrue! I’m so angry now and I don’t have enough space to be angry because I am dealing with real life problems while he carries on with the woe is me routine, ruminates on the past and goes over and over how I destroyed the magical mystical love we had. Ffs. It’s ridiculous, nothing changed, he just turned something into nothing, that’s me minimising of course! I feel like screaming sometimes as he won’t listen.

Why tell me these terrible things, then in the next breath offer the world but put it on me to ask

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onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 28/01/2021 10:48

ruminates on the past and goes over and over how I destroyed the magical mystical love we had

Yes he's being dick - I understand that at the beginning of relationships people can have a connection that feels 'mystical' if you want to call it that - but wandering around in a state of magical adoration with each other where no-one puts a foot wrong for the rest of your lives is unrealistic.

Differences are inevitable in relationships and if there aren't differences then it's usually because one person is doing a lot of absorbing in order to prevent there being any conflict. Real love and proper grown-up relationships require hard work.

Being able to 'hear' what the other person is saying, along with forgiveness, not dwelling on perceived slights, and being about to discuss issues without endlessly finding fault are crucial for good long term relationships. However berating someone repeatedly because of some ridiculous notion about a mystical connection is hugely damaging.

I would say to him that you can't change what happened in the past but if he genuinely can't get beyond whatever it was you did then he needs to move on (and so do you), that long term relationships require forgiveness and meeting each other half way, and if he is incapable of doing those things then so be it - but you are not going to spend your life being punished for something you have long since apologised for and can't be changed.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 28/01/2021 10:51

"Why tell me these terrible things, then in the next breath offer the world but put it on me to ask"

Because he's a massive dick! He's loving you grovelling to him and begging to be forgiven for something you haven't done. What an ego trip!

This man is a bell-end. You will be so, so much better off without his negativity in your life. Imagine being free to just concentrate on caring for and educating your children and trying to improve your financial position. No more wondering and waiting for him to make an effort to see you. No more let downs when he changes plans last minute. No more apologising for things you haven't done. No more listening to him tear you down and make you feel like a shitty partner who should feel lucky to be given a whatsapp message on the daily.

Fuck his shit! Who needs that crap in their lives? I feel exhausted just reading about him! Bin the motherfucker off. You deserve so much more than begging for crumbs of his affection.

merryhouse · 28/01/2021 11:00

Seriously: this is not going to get better.

Send him one message:

I have realised that I no longer wish to be in this relationship. [Anything of yours in my house will be left with X.] Please do not contact me again.

And then block.

You are not obliged to make him agree with you.

Snackinginthebath · 28/01/2021 11:02

He is sticking to the fact the time he took made him realise he wants to continue things but needs now to spend time with me to see if we can, obviously now it’s not possible as work comes first and restrictions have made it impossible! I am just expected to wait around now until he can return on his white horse and I must be eternally grateful. I sound resentful yes.

I suppose I have to decide whether I am prepared to do that if it’s worth it. He’s behaved so badly and is so used to controlling everything that he sulks when there are things which don’t go exactly how he feels they should. It’s as if he is bewildered when things don’t go to his plan and explaining to him that life isn’t black and white has become exhausting.

I would like him to stop pretending he is faultless in all of this as be honest about his part in the breakdown but I know you can’t change people. I should walk away because of how I feel but I stupidly want to give him the benefit of the doubt but not sure he’s earned that. The rose tinted glasses came off a long time ago, but he seems shocked that I did certain things even before we met and goes on and on and on about that too. It’s like a broken record. I’m having a bit of a rant this morning. Lack of sleep and worksheets will do that.

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Justtryingtobehelpful · 28/01/2021 12:44

Read Wolf in Sheep's Clothing book. It explains manipulation tactics really well. He's using lots against you.
He's keeping you off balance with this nonsense because when you're focusing on the relationship, you have no time or head space to take a step back and realise this is all wrong.
Get rid of him. Focus on your and you kids. This guy is a head melter

Snackinginthebath · 28/01/2021 15:06

Thanks I’ve found it and will definitely read it as I want to understand why he’s doing what he is.

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SuperSange · 28/01/2021 15:14

Why do you need to understand it? He's treating you like shit. You deserve better. Finish it. I seroiusly would have no interest in understanding, because the next thing you know you'll be making excuses for him, and he'll have got his way. Again.

litterbird · 28/01/2021 15:32

Sadly you can never understand a manipulator. He's got you by the short and curly's. Only you can stop this by stepping away from him......permanently.

Itstimetoquit · 31/01/2021 17:41

Just reading that is a head f*,your getting nothing from him,move on x

Pumpkinpied · 31/01/2021 23:02

If he wanted a virgin he should have married one. Seriously, he will always have something to bring up. You don’t seem to want to take pp advice but do you honestly think the future holds happiness? Did you post the other day about him not being supportive when you lost your job?

Chiccie · 31/01/2021 23:40

It seems to me that he’s trying to exit the relationship by stealth. Hanging it on you for the drunken thing that he can’t forgive. It’s ridiculous and immature and it all sounds like a power play by him. He’s playing games. Don’t call or respond to him. Take the wind out of his sails.

Snackinginthebath · 06/02/2021 09:53

Sorry for the delay I’ve had a lot going on.

Seems maybe he has lost interest as he doesn’t seem to care about working away and offering no support of any kind. Work is the priority and damn the impact on me and the relationship. It’s unhealthy and I’m getting quite angry now as I have been really patient and understanding but get nothing out of this.

We speak most days only in the evenings though as ‘he is very busy’, but it’s always cut short as he hangs up to answer more important calls, is interrupted again for more important matters. I’m apparently not a time critical issue to deal with...
If I complain the response I get is not to be upset as these are unpredictable times and being angry is pointless. I’m angry with his rudeness!

He dangling the carrot of he will come but then doesn’t and it’s been going on for months. I suppose I have been very stupid and naive.

Feeling deflated and exhausted today.

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