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I’m so confused about his behaviour. Not sure whether it’s worth to try.

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WrappedinHaze · 18/01/2021 19:21

At the beginning of last year I split with my 10+ years partner. It was a very painful experience and I developed some serious trust issues as result. Throughout the breakup I got close with one of my friends who coincidentally got dumped on the same day as me after 10+ years with his partner as well. Over the lockdown we grew really close and progressed in late summer from friendship to lovers. At the time neither of us wanted to be in a relationship so we were still seeing other people but mid Autumn we became sexually exclusive although still not in relationship (without going too much into details I’ve got sexual trauma I’m working through and asked him if he would be ok with this, which he obliged but added at some point that he wants to be able to step back for me it so basically I understood it as not being exclusive anymore if he feels it’s not working for him). He then told me when drunk that he’s developing feelings for me. At the time I couldn’t say the same. We started to spend all weekends at each other’s place. He would cuddle me, hold my hand while watching tv, cook and even walk my dog for me. he’s very caring and attentive, listens and remembers what I said. He invited me out to the best restaurant in town as a surprise for finishing difficult project and bought me an expensive gift. He also helped me packed my ex (yes, he moved out leaving all his stuff behind expecting me to do it) and cleaned my ex’s room (I haven’t touched it in months as it was too painful). He really looks after my pets when he’s around and we’re having a great sex which is a new to me.

But there is one major thing that spoils everything to me: he is a flirt. Him and his ex were both famous for it. They would flirt with other people in front of each other. He’s an attractive and charming guy so he had a lot of fwb type of agreements after the breakup. He stopped sleeping with other women when I asked him. Now we’re each other extended household so it’s not like he has a chance to hop beds but this exclusivity started at the beginning of November so pre-lockdown. He told me that when he’s drunk he can’t control himself and flirts with even those women he doesn’t find attractive when sober. He says he can recognise how problematic it is. He’s currently doing the dry Jan and thinking of extending it to February plus with lockdown in place it’s not like I can see how he’ll go about tackling it. Recently there was a string of situations that made me think that he’s hiding something.

-he’s often getting Facebook messages that he doesn’t immediately check
-sometimes it looks like he is hiding the screen from me when he reads them
-over last week he became less physical with me outside of sex, he used to kiss and cuddle me randomly all the time and now it’s rare, on the other hand he stroked my face when he thought I was asleep.
-we went for a walk with two of my girlfriends and he bought drinks for everybody but me claiming he thought I said I didn’t want any when everyone else could hear me saying what I want
-I plain asked him if he’s sleeping with somebody else; he answered really calmly that he only sleeps with me and haven’t seen anybody else for weeks and that I’m being paranoid
-we used to hide that we’re sleeping with each other/hanging out a lot from our friends as I wanted to keep it private but at some point I didn’t want to lie about us so we decided that we’ll be telling people we’re seeing each other; a few days ago he was taking a photo with my phone and said sth that with this close up nobody will know that I’m at his place like it’s still something to hide
-when I do sth that reminds him of his ex he says that she likes it to/did this too etc. which is mildly uncomfortable but not as much as when we watch a show or talk about sth and he brings his ex’s physical looks: example, we are watching tv and I’m saying that the actress doesn’t have muscles on her arms and she supposed to be a fighter he would say that his ex had muscles on her arms. Or how he likes peach bums and that his ex had a bum like that (I don’t have a peach bum), or that she had a nice, big boobs and great body. The thing is, I’m an ex model so can hold my own albeit I’m flatter and now not as skinny as his ex but still slim and I don’t complain from lack of male or female (I’m bi) attention so I would like to be with someone who likes what they see, not some subpar replacement for his ex (in his mind) cause I do understand people have different tastes but I can find someone who will find me beautiful without comparing me to his ex

I recently realised that I am finally ready to start dating, that I want to love and be loved. But I don’t know if he is the right person to fall for. So far I’ve been holding back my affection because we both said we didn’t want a relationship so I didn’t want to fall for him to suffer another breakup. Also because of my trauma I’m not the most touchy feely so it was always him who initiate physical contact: holding hands, cuddling, kissing (not sex though as he wanted me to take the lead there). Knowing all that and my horrible trust issues (I’m literally worried that everyone is lying to me, I’m starting therapy next as I can’t live like this ) would you give this a go? Do you think he’s interested in sth more and holds back because he is worried that I’m not wanting more considering I’m fairly cold? I will have a conversation with him tomorrow or Wednesday anyway but wanted to hear some other thoughts. I’m so afraid to be hurt again as I’m still recovering from last time. We have a great time together so we may just revert to being just friends if this doesn’t pan out as we do value each other’s company and said as much before.

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Wanderlusto · 18/01/2021 19:30

I don't think you should extend your heart to this man. He gaslights you. I wouldn't even consider him a suitable fuck buddy because he is manipulative.

It's great that you are ready to start dating again. Dont let him and all his...bad juju, muck it up.

He is not your friend either.
He is nasty. That whole comparing you to his ex thing is narcissist (abuser) territory.

Wanderlusto · 18/01/2021 19:37

Might be wise to do the freedom program online before dating again as this guy is giving off pretty big red flags op and you seem perhaps a bit reluctant to see them as such. Being strong enough to date again is great. But you have to date smart too - Know how to spot men who don't want good things for you so you can stay safe.

WrappedinHaze · 18/01/2021 19:40

We do talk about our exes a lot, so him saying I’ve got similar tastes to his ex didn’t bother me too much. When he comes to physical look he never compared me to her. He just mentions that she had this and that. Maybe I’m seeing it wrong.

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Whatisthisfuckery · 18/01/2021 19:40

He’s a dick OP, that’s all really. You know he’s a dick so deal with him accordingly.

have some time on your own for a bit, you really don’t need cock in your life. Just take a break and hopefully it’ll give your standards a chance to recover.

WrappedinHaze · 18/01/2021 19:44

Shoot, maybe I’m really not in a place to date yet since I’m not getting such a strong bad vibes from him as everyone else seems to get.

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Wanderlusto · 18/01/2021 19:45

Hmm...be careful op.

He deliberately buys drink for everyone but you, he tells you you're paranoid, he brings up the ex a ton. And you know he is a womans man. And he implies you two are still a secret.

I wouldnt go there.
As for the touch feely all of a sudden...it sounds like he might be doing that thing where he wants you to wonder if he likes you as something more - in order to get you to consider him as something more. Not because he likes you- but because his ego needs you to like him. It's really common in friends with benefits situations. And considering you know he likes lots of female attention...it fits.

Just be careful op. If you keep him around as 'mr right now' whilst looking to date then fair enough. But absolutely do not get feelings for him. He isnt a keeper.

Wanderlusto · 18/01/2021 19:46

He gives other peeps bad vibes too? Your friends perhaps? Yeah...run.

Wanderlusto · 18/01/2021 19:48

Nah just do some reading on how to spot narcissists and abusers ect as you go along. You'll get there :)

Melanie tonia evans does home good videos on narcissists on YouTube.

Lifes a learning experience afterall.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 18/01/2021 19:49

Here's the thing to consider. You've known this man for ages so you have a really good picture of his behaviour. Imagine it's however many years ago and you're at the pub with him and his ex, and he starts the flirting chat with a complete random. Now put yourself in the ex's shoes - so you're not the flirty ex, you're you watching your partner flirt with someone else.

How does that feel?

Is that what you want for yourself?

Because actually, he may be a really great guy on many levels but you KNOW he's a flirty-Bertie. You can NEVER be surprised or hurt by this behaviour if you take it further, because he's always been like that and as a sensible woman, you know people never really change. The best you can hope for EVER is that he tones it down in front of you and ramps it up behind your back to compensate

If that's not the life you want then you need to pop this one back into the sea. It actually sounds like he's been a good transitional relationship for you.

YY to the Freedom programme too.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 18/01/2021 19:50

Also if it ends now there is a chance you can preserve the friendship. You're inches away from getting too involved to make that possible (that's an observation, I'm not blaming you or anything for that).

Whatisthisfuckery · 18/01/2021 19:55

Anybody who goes on about their ex all the time has red flags hanging out their arse, and that goes for you as well OP. I’d be legging it as fast and as far as I could away from someone who talked about their ex all the time.

Your senses are shot to shit if you can’t smell the shit on this bloke. Do yourself a favour and take some time away from dating altogether, concentrate on yourself a bit.

WrappedinHaze · 18/01/2021 20:06

Yeah, This is the very reason why I asked for opinions here. I’m not emotionally engaged so far. What I’m worried is that I’m being unfair and paranoid and reading a lot into his behaviour expecting the worst.

He called me paranoid cause I noticed a condom was missing and asked him whether he is sleeping with other people then he calmly replied that he isn’t, that he hasn’t seen anybody else for weeks and that we used it yesterday. And he was right. I miss counted them :/ not proud moment. My ex lied to my face and then left me an accidental voicemail from his pocket where he was talking to his new Gf and telling her made up horrible stories about me. This is screwed with me big time and now I’m thinking that everyone is constantly lying to me and I can’t trust anyone ever again. I now that I need therapy. (Starting it next week). But thank you so much for your insight. Appreciated

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litterbird · 18/01/2021 20:08

Have a big loonnnnnnnngggg break from relationships and deal with your other issues first. There are a lot of red flags with this guy and it really hasn't started off well. Its good you feel like getting back out there but not quite yet. You are still recovering as you say. Getting with this guy would not help your recovery it will hinder it I am afraid to say.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 18/01/2021 20:12

No matter how well your therapy goes, he'll still be a flirt. You know this because you've seen it with your own eyes. Don't go thinking this is all your stuff OP, some of it is, but also you're a sensible woman with eyes in your head.

WrappedinHaze · 18/01/2021 20:17

We talked about our exes cause we went through our breakups together as each other support, as friends at the time. We were there for each other to cry and to listen so we sometimes still talk about them. We were first close friends before we started sleeping with each other.

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WrappedinHaze · 18/01/2021 20:25

Tbf, I’ve never witness his flirting, just something my friend said about his relationship at the time. But by his own admittance he flirts and I’ll be always thinking that he’s doing this, bringing the worst in me. Not a relationship I’d like to be in.

I think lockdown is making me very lonely. I miss being loved and in love so much. I had this for so many years and it ended so horribly and abruptly just when the lockdown kicked in. The worst year ever

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Whatisthisfuckery · 18/01/2021 20:52

Why do you owe him any benefit of any doubt?

OP 9/10 this bloke is a wrongun. If you ditch him you’ve got a 1/10 chance you’ve binned off a goodun. I’m not a betting woman but I wouldn’t be putting even a quid on this one.

Look, you’re not long out of a break up and neither is he. You don’t have feelings yet for this bloke but you’re obviously in deep enough to feel the need to post on here. You’re in deep enough to be considering ignoring that big red flag hanging out of his arse.

You don’t have the emotional resilience for this right now OP. You’ve barely picked yourself up after one difficult break up, and despite you knowing in your gut this man is a shaky bet you’re contemplating sticking around to see if he’s a wrongun or not.

OP you know the right decision here you just don’t want to make it. Stop thinking short term and start thinking ahead. Where are you going to be if you carry on seeing him? Are you going to be happy and secure in a nice relationship? What do you think?

WrappedinHaze · 18/01/2021 21:07

Yeah, you’re right. I’m feeling really lonely and I’m setting myself up for a failure with this one. I think I must have a very low standards after years and years of subtle gaslighting from my ex and the new guy is such an upgrade from my ex it’s clouding my judgement. I’m starting therapy next week so hopefully it will help me see the sense and maybe learn what a healthy relationship supposed to look like.

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WrappedinHaze · 18/01/2021 21:11

I admit, the lockdown is making me lonely and desperate. I’m so far away from my family and I haven’t seen them for 1.5 year now. I think I’ll keep this going for sex and companionship since he’s definitely helped me with this (I conquered vaginismus) but will keep this on the level it is right now: now emotional involvement until lockdown is over.

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Whatisthisfuckery · 18/01/2021 22:58

Up to you OP, you know the score. It’s a dangerous game you’re playing though.

Chattycatty · 19/01/2021 00:28

If you were sure about him then you wouldn't be writing about him, you know he's not right for you in your heart of hearts. Before you get involved get out save yourself the heartache.

gannett · 19/01/2021 08:00

Him being a flirt is the biggest issue here. It may get better if he drinks less but that's who he is and it's not going to change. It's obvious that flirting isn't a prelude to anything more for him but if it's a dealbreaker for you that's reasonable.

The ex talk seems a bit much but understandable on both your sides given how you started the relationship - you've both got used to the other being the person you lean on for support after your breakups so it's natural that you talk about your exes to each other (especially in lockdown when you're not seeing anyone else). You probably both need to transition consciously to not doing this because you've now reached the stage of your own relationship where it's a bit weird. That'd be a good thing to bring up in the conversation you're going to have.

I don't think your other situations are anything to worry about. He obviously misheard the drinks order, it'd be a bloody weird thing to gaslight anyone about. I rarely check messages as they come in, especially if I'm with DP at the time. Sometimes if someone's messaged me something private (or if I'm reading something ghoulish) I'll tilt the screen away from him.

So I don't think he's a manipulator (and honestly do not see why PPs are jumping to this conclusion) but I do think he'll always be a flirt, and that might be the long-term barrier. I'd keep this relationship at the level it is now - a nice lockdown thing that works for you at this moment in time. Don't feel you have to rush into trusting again - getting over trust issues is a process and it should take as long as you need it to. If you're open with him about that, and it sounds like you have been, he should understand that.

RantyAnty · 19/01/2021 09:07

How did you become friends with him in the first place? Were you friends with his ex?

He doesn't seem like the faithful type and is likely an alcoholic.

Go through the freedom programme and learn how to live by yourself for a while before dating again. Loneliness and desperation can make you settle for abuse and crumbs.

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