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Relationship ended - confused and looking for advice?

22 replies

Luckycat17 · 16/01/2021 11:21

Hi,
I’m a fairly long time user of mumsnet but I’ve created a new account for this because it’s more personal than I’d usually post.

Just wondered if anyone had gone through similar to me and how to deal with it.
I was in a relationship for three years, it was medium distance (think 1.20 train plus a short walk), London to a midlands town. We saw each other in the week and usually on weekends. It worked well as we were both busy, but were in constant contact etc.

We had issues from the start of Dp being quite uncaring, quite different from the image he curated - we were friends first. Everyone seemed to come before me, there’d always be someone higher on the priority list. He struggled to share emotions, he struggled to tell me how he felt and was just very cold. It got better towards the end, minus the pandemic struggles, but then he just broke up with me out of the blue. I believe he loved me, he told me he did and we had a great time together, but the emotional issues were always present if that makes sense.

I tried to be patient and understanding as much as I could, but it did result in conflict and arguments when he did hurtful things (a noteable example was a lengthy list of why I was a bad person, hidden in the drawer with my clothes at his, which he said was an accident and said I’d basically read his diary.) he did try to do nice things but it always seemed hard won. We were together for three years.

When he broke up with me, he was absolutely distraught and wanted to try again, but changed his mind a week later. He was crying and throwing up, he apologised for the way he’d treated me. I’d never seen him cry before and I thought it might have woken him up a bit.

This was three months ago. After he broke up with me fully, he asked for space but said we could have a final conversation about why this happened. I accepted and left him pretty much alone for two weeks, before going back and asking for the conversation.

He claimed we’d had it, and I’d forgotten, but he’d do me the favour of going through it again. I said I was sure we hadn’t but accepted it might have been lost in the emotion of the moment. I asked if he’d go through it again with me and he wouldn’t, claiming I was “too emotional and not calm”.

I had to message him about something else a few weeks later and asked again if we could talk. He said no, it wouldn’t help him and that it was unhealthy to keep opening the wound (I agree but I don’t have any closure). He then said he would do it, but not yet. At this point I said it wasn’t going to be helpful for me and that I’d leave him alone as he requested. I asked if we should block each other for a bit to stop temptation but he said no, in case there was an emergency (?).

The closest to an answer I have is that “it didn’t feel right”. I know that can be a reason in itself but the whole conversations around it have suggested there’s another reason, which I don’t know and he hasn’t told me.

He’s acting very very closed and talking to me like I’ve been abusive to him, which is really worrying and hurtful. I’ve really tried to stick to his boundaries and give him space, and remain calm throughout. I need closure but I’m scared to ask again in case it’s hurting him.

Does anyone have any wisdom? Thank you and sorry for the essay!

OP posts:
thecatfromjapan · 16/01/2021 12:13

You seem to be asking for 'feedback', the way people do after a failed job interview.

It's not a job interview. You're not going to go for a similar role, with a different company, and want to see if you can acquire some necessary skill, or change your interview technique before the next application .

Basically, I think you're worried you have some flaw, and you're hoping he will tell you what it is, then magically you will be 'perfect'.

And I think that's what is going on here.

You describe a relationship that went in for three years, where you continually felt second-best to everyone and anything. Where you continually felt emotionally withheld from and starved.

Yet you also describe it as 'good times'.

Something's amiss hers.

I think it's your self-esteem.

Relationships are about being with someone who accepts and loves you for who you are. Who you feel truly confortable with. And vice versa. You don't feel you have to strive or change for their affection; you don't have to try to win or change them.

He doesn't have any magical insight to impart - or magic words that will help you change into a perfect person.

He's just him; you're just you. It was a relationship that didn't work.

You're fine as you are - go and find other people who also think you're fine as you are.

The list of your faults in a drawer says that this was not a great relationship.

It's childish, for a start. Who, after the age of 13, writes a pro/con list of why they should/shouldn't go out with someone by listing all their faults?

That's not sexy.

Go find someone sexy and fun, and who loves you from the top of your head to your socks.

Hailtomyteeth · 16/01/2021 12:19

Block him. Don't contact him again.
There's a song... it's from my mother's generation, and I'm fucking old...

Shake him off, forget him, his opinion isn't worth a dime, cent, euro, five pence or your time.

Luckycat17 · 16/01/2021 13:00

Thank you for replying. It’s weird because I know that whether he says nothing or tells me a list of why, it won’t make a difference to anything going forward other than how I feel. But maybe that’s important? I’m really worried that I’ve been a horrible person in the relationship and I’d prefer to know that if I have?

OP posts:
Palavah · 16/01/2021 13:17

Why on eart would you think you've been a horrible person in the relationship?

category12 · 16/01/2021 13:32

I think he's done a psychological number on you.

He left you that list of nasty things he thinks about you for you to find.
He did. He put it with your stuff purposefully.
He then gaslit you and turned it round on you, so you were the bad one invading his privacy for reading it.

The reason you're running around feeling confused, distraught and like you don't know which way is up, is because he's a mindfuck and gaslighter. The hot-and-cold treatment and telling you your memories/experiences aren't true when you know they are, are powerful psychological tactics that create a strange bond/dependence instead of doing what they ought to, (which is make you run like fuck Grin). It's the intermittent reinforcement and cognitive dissonance.

Do yourself a favour and block all contact with him and start the work of repairing yourself.

thecatfromjapan · 16/01/2021 13:42

I'm afraid I agree with category12.

I was holding off on saying it outright because you spent three years in a relationship with him - and now the emphasis should be on you healing, being happy, finding a great relationship. I don't want you to dwell on how you spent three years.

But, yes, you're certainly describing something very off - and that is exactly why you're dwelling on it, trying to get some communication from him, why you're feeling like the bad person, the one at fault.

If you re-read your OP, I think you'll be surprised to see that that dynamic is, in fact, how you describe your three year relationship.

In short, the dynamic is embedded and has been for a long time. So the way you're feeling now, the way you're acting now, isn't new.

And category12 is absolutely right about the list, and absolutely right about how to understand his claiming to have had a conversation you know you haven't had.

Anyway, move on from this. It's great you're out of it.

GreenlandTheMovie · 16/01/2021 14:32

He sounds like a deeply nasty person. Who on earth leaves a written list of why another person is a "bad person" with their clothes so that they will find it and read it? Just think about that in more detail, about how long he must have spent writing that list and where he chose to leave it.

You don't have much to work with but you do have enough. Sounds like he broke up with you because the relationships was going well! So he had to ruin it and then use your natural upset as an excuse for further nasty behaviour.

He also tells lies. I would'nt be surprised if he had cheated or there was smeone else on the go/in the pipeline, if it was medium distance. He really does sound horrible and a very difficult person - sorry OP, but I don't think he's what you thought he was.

user184628462 · 16/01/2021 14:36

Freedom Programme. Seriously.

TicTac80 · 16/01/2021 14:39

He sounds like a gas-lighting twat that wants to keep you dangling. I seriously doubt you were horrible at all. From what you wrote, it sounds like he did a total number on you.... and you are still scrambling about almost desperate for crumbs (ie the “talk”).

My thoughts? He’s done you a massive favour!!! No more jumping through hoops or walking on eggshells for you! Block him and use this time to heal. Be glad you’ve got away from his fuckwittery x

Luckycat17 · 16/01/2021 15:12

I feel really strange about it all. Just to clarify: I am completely OK and getting on with my life, but I’m worried that I’ve been somehow too clingy/ controlling and somehow created an abusive dynamic. He said that he never had space to air his concerns and that’s why he did stuff like the note as a cry for help. I’ve really tried to be self aware throughout and beyond the breakup to ensure I wasn’t going to hinder how he felt.

It does feel like he won’t block me/ doesn’t want to be blocked because he wants to keep a string hanging. He’s not got loads of friends/ doesn’t have friends that make him a priority and I wonder if he enjoyed the power. It’s hard though because anyone who hasn’t been in a relationship with him but knows him would think he’s charming/ sweet, shy/ the perfect gentleman

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harknesswitch · 16/01/2021 15:20

I think you need to take control and stop letting him call all the shots. Block him and move on. Start to look after yourself and do things for you without worrying about how it might be perceived by him.

GreenlandTheMovie · 16/01/2021 15:29

You feel strange about it because in your time with him you've got used to suspending your natural boundaries - you mentioned he was cold, made you feel low priority, struggled to share emotions, etc.. All of that is him, not you.

What sort of person writes a list of bad things about their girlfriend and leaves it in a drawer of their clothes for them to find as a "cry for help"? He's a twisted, disturbed individual with some kind of personality disorder likely. Has he ever been diagnosed/did he get into trouble as a kid/teenager?

He will absolutely keep you dangling for future supply if you let him.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 16/01/2021 15:29

He said that he never had space to air his concerns and that’s why he did stuff like the note as a cry for help

Relationship ended - confused and looking for advice?
EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 16/01/2021 15:31

Seriously. You haven't CREATED an abusive dynamic - you've been abused. By him. Very skillfully, by the sounds of it.

Get yourself on the freedom programme, you need it. And block the bastard!

Luckycat17 · 16/01/2021 17:08

I feel really pathetic posting all this. I really loved him, it felt hard won but there was good parts too.

I just feel like I’ve done something wrong to cause this and I don’t want it to happen again, essentially.

@GreenlandTheMovie he doesn’t have a personality disorder but this has been mentioned to me when I brought things up with a friend. He used to pretend to cry and stuff. God putting it all down makes it feel more real. There’s no way I can ever get him to realise though is there, it’s a waste of energy? His mum and dad have basically
Told him he’s perfect all his life, he’s got that “nice guy” complex where on the surface it seems like he’d do anything for anyone if you know him on a surface level

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Opentooffers · 16/01/2021 17:17

His opinion of you is irrelevant, he is not an expert on how women should be, so don't give credence to it. The relationship does unfortunately show that you put up with poor treatment for far too long, when you should of binned him off 3 years ago Hmm

merryhouse · 16/01/2021 17:38

No, you won't get him to realise it.

Don't even try. He is not your responsibility.

He is not your issue any more. How he's left you is your issue.

And you know, even if you had "created an abusive dynamic", it wouldn't have led to abuse if the other person hadn't been abusive. If you leave the front door unlocked and get burgled you might find that people tell you you were careless, but the person who stole all your stuff doesn't get acquitted because of it!

AgentJohnson · 16/01/2021 18:04

Block him and do the freedom programme ASAP.

GreenlandTheMovie · 16/01/2021 18:40

@Luckycat17

I feel really pathetic posting all this. I really loved him, it felt hard won but there was good parts too.

I just feel like I’ve done something wrong to cause this and I don’t want it to happen again, essentially.

@GreenlandTheMovie he doesn’t have a personality disorder but this has been mentioned to me when I brought things up with a friend. He used to pretend to cry and stuff. God putting it all down makes it feel more real. There’s no way I can ever get him to realise though is there, it’s a waste of energy? His mum and dad have basically
Told him he’s perfect all his life, he’s got that “nice guy” complex where on the surface it seems like he’d do anything for anyone if you know him on a surface level

I suspect in 6 months time, you'll look back and realise how awful his behaviour is. You just need to go from day to day with nothing dramatic, keep everything calm and don't react to his attempts to cause upset. Try to get to 2 weeks calmness, then 1 month, then 2 months, and so on. You just need a bit of breathing space.

I agree its a shame when a man is like this. Its a shame for them though. No-one really likes men like this, and you are seeing the real him, not the fake image. Its what he does, not what he says that is important.

If he's a spoilt brat then theres nothing you can have done to change this. He clearly just does what he wants to please himself with no thoughts for any other person.

MrsBobDylan · 16/01/2021 18:45

Op, you efforts would be better placed trying to work out through therapy why you stayed in an a suite relationship for three years.

Once you know that, then you can have a fab life, being the lovely person you clearly are, going through life with someone who is also lovely.

He has dont you the most enormous favour by ending it. Beware though, he is the type to make a reappearance once he needs something. Then you really will be treading on eggshells because you will be required to be so grateful that this wanker have you 'another chance'.

Block him, get therapy and have a great life.

Luckycat17 · 17/01/2021 08:48

Thanks so much for all the responses Smile

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category12 · 17/01/2021 09:56

It's not you, it's him.

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