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More manipulation and involving kids now

53 replies

WingingItAtLife · 12/01/2021 21:20

So, me again.

After not seeing the kids for two weeks, ex decided he wanted them for two nights. This was after a very long talk between us, during which he said he is absolutely not over me. He cannot believe I don't want him anymore. He cannot see how his behaviour was so bad that I'd prefer to be alone. He's heartbroken. He's also met another woman. Who he's admitted doesn't mean anything yet but his good judge of character means he knows shes decent. (We split in Nov, he found her on tinder on Dec 15th he says)

So... He's got the kids today. And he rings me after a few hours and says he's struggling. Not physically, but mentally. He cannot be alone and needs support. He wants me to go there. I cannot go there because 'there' is our old family home and I read it will confuse the kids, they won't understand why mummy is there but not staying, sleeping, doing bedtime etc. Do I say no. He says he wants me to be around him. I say no. He then says..... That if I do not go there, he will be backed into a corner and have to seek support from her. I asked him not to, he has not had time with the kids for two weeks. They need their dad time. Just them.

He rings back after a while and tried again. Begs me to try our relationship again. Get counseling. He loves me. Do I really want another woman to be given 'my ring' (he never proposed to me but apparently had planned to - he's said this multiple times over the years). And if I don't want him, fine, he'll love on TOMORROW by introducing HIS NEW FAMILY.

I feel physically sick for my kids. How confusing for them that this new woman and her kid may be in our family home. I know I cannot stop him, so I need to know how to support my kids if this actually happens. They're 7+4. I've bought a diary for each of them. And I'm going to suggest we talk about their feelings at the end of each day, and I will give them time, with or without me, to write or draw in their diaries about how they feel. I know the 4 year old can't but I can't exclude him x

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harknesswitch · 13/01/2021 12:18

Use this exact sentence again, and again, and again, and again.... copy and paste it and keep using it.

With regards to the dc, they will be fine op, my ex has had a stream of girlfriends (still does), he introduces them far too early, however I make my home as calm and steady as possible for them. Keep talking to them and you will be their sounding board and sense of sensible. My eldest dd, now 13 (we split when she was 6) just calls her dads girlfriends 'his new lady friend'. As long as they treat my dc well and with respect then that's all I can ask. I have no control over what he does during his contact time

Hellzbellz25 · 13/01/2021 12:19

And nothing is working to get you back but he has the two most important things in your life with him right now to threaten you with, he must be getting desperate, doesn't sit right with me I'd be straight over there

WingingItAtLife · 13/01/2021 12:24

This is his reply

You say I question you all the time but you don't give answers I won't message again and I'm hoping we can soon talk properly, I'll see you Thursday after work as I said yesterday get some rest xx

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harknesswitch · 13/01/2021 12:28

Just ignore this. He hasn't asked a direct question about anything, and there's nothing in there asking a question about the dc. Ignore ignore ignore Thanks

WingingItAtLife · 13/01/2021 15:21

UPDATE - my sister has been in contact with him (he seems to be okay and open with her- he messaged her first) my kids are okay. They settled with him fine last night and had a lovely night sleep x

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bibliomania · 13/01/2021 15:33

You're doing well, Winging. Completely agree with grey rock. It takes time, but it does work. Ideally don't respond to things, but if you have to, try not to go past one sentence. It gets worse at the start as they flail around for a reaction, but then it gets better.

And I can see why you left him. What a manipulative prick.

Wanderlusto · 13/01/2021 15:51

I'd tell him in writing that if he continues to harass you by messaging about anything apart from the kids, it will be a police matter.

Block him on everything apart from one phone (ideally a burner that u don't use for anything else) and never reply about anything apart from the kids.

If need be, put the phone away in a drawer all day and only look at it once.

Dont be slow to go to the police if harassment continues. It will not be creating more drama, often the police is the only language his kind understand. You show them you are supported and done with his shit and he 2I'll be more likely to back tf off.

BlueThistles · 13/01/2021 16:15

I agree ... He is harassing you ... this is not rational behaviour 🌺

Sssloou · 13/01/2021 17:23

Well done on posting here and taking advice to not get drawn into conversations and setting boundaries on communications.

Your DCs need you to be emotionally present and available to them - because they now only have one parent who is capable of meeting their needs as your xH is totally distracted and self absorbed.

You need to use your time away from the DCs to rest physically and to restore your own mental headspace so that you can have energy and focus to be able attune their emotional needs when they return. They will be looking to return to their calm and peaceful home and into the warmth and comfort of their mother.

Don’t waste your finite emotional energy on him - save it for your DCs. Don’t concern yourself with his issues. Physically put in boundaries so that you are not emotionally assaulted and triggered by his antics by moving all communications to email filtered file which you will read once a week and respond to within x days after consulting with solicitor. He needs big, wide, high, fat boundaries.

Stop any info coming from your sister, his friends and family. This second hand info will only distract and consume your headspace and energy - and you need to conserve this for yourself and your DCs - they need you stable, relaxed, constant, consistent etc especially in these early days whilst the 3 of you embed your new safe and loving family dynamic.

WingingItAtLife · 13/01/2021 20:07

Thank you for all of your replies. I am so grateful that I can rant away here.

I have realised that he got the better of me yesterday. I will be trying incredibly hard not to let him do it again.
I am counting down the hours till I see my babies again tomorrow, but for tonight I'm going to have a bath, and either read or watch some crappy series on Netflix for a few hours 🙂

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Sssloou · 13/01/2021 20:21

Good for you. Lots of well deserved self care x

billy1966 · 13/01/2021 21:16

OP,

He sounds so awful.

You are well rid of him.

Well done for being so brave and strong.

You have been given great advice above.

I understand your nervousness of him with the children, but it is not enough for you to go back.

You and your children will have a better future without him.

He could well lose interest in the children as he moves on to his next victim.

Keep a good log of everything.

Take care, you sound great.Flowers

RoseMartha · 13/01/2021 22:07

Sending a hug because my ex sounds quite a bit like yours.

user1471565182 · 13/01/2021 22:24

I'd genuinely show the other woman what hes been saying so he stops putting her in a position of his pathetic emotional blackmai towards you. Just get rid of this weasel by any means.

jeaux90 · 13/01/2021 23:51

Well done. Remember you don't have to respond to anything unless it's about the kids. Be boring. Be bland. Ignore.

Hazelnutlatteplease · 14/01/2021 07:50

You need your sister on board too. He shouldn't be using her when he doesn't get what he wants from you.

Sssloou · 14/01/2021 08:26

@Hazelnutlatteplease

You need your sister on board too. He shouldn't be using her when he doesn't get what he wants from you.
And equally you shouldn’t be tapping into your sister as a sort of spy - that will backfire and not serve you well - although I totally understand that you wanted reassurance. Better to work on detaching emotionally from any source of info about him because EVERYTHING will upset you and preoccupy you and you have zero control over how he lives his life.
Hazelnutlatteplease · 14/01/2021 10:23

I'd genuinely show the other woman what hes been saying so he stops putting her in a position of his pathetic emotional blackmai towards you

Seriously?

If you did this youd be showing a serious degree of controlling and stalker ish behaviour yourself.

If fact she has nothing to do with the OP. If the ex decides to introduce her, that's his choice. You can and should only control what happens in your time not his.

WingingItAtLife · 14/01/2021 17:57

UPDATE for anyone still following

Picked the kids up after work.
Got back to my parents house and things were a bit crazy at first.... Kids arguing, fighting, shouting, crying. Lots of emotions. I think this is normal, right?
I sat them both down with their diaries. They love them. 7 yo has drawn some emotion faces and ticked underneath Which ones she feels and which mummy feels. They've had a bath (ex didn't bath them) and I've brushed their teeth. I sent toothbrushes and toothpaste up with them and he hasn't returned them. I suspected this would happen so I'd already bought spares. They lived their new toothbrushes.
Im going to sit with them and have some dinner. And give them unlimited cuddles.
Thank you all for helping me ❤️

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bibliomania · 14/01/2021 17:59

You're doing great, Winging, and yes, it's totally normal for them to be wound-up when they first come back.

WingingItAtLife · 14/01/2021 18:07

Thanks, I don't feel like I'm doing great. I'm on the edge. I'm finding it so hard to keep my calm with the kids but I know it's not there fault. I want to curl up and cry

It'll be easier when me and the kids have our own place to live, but there are 20 applicants per rental here so I'm quite low on the list or favourable tenants.

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WingingItAtLife · 14/01/2021 18:14

Also.... This was really weird....

When I picked the kids up, they came to the patio door. Ex wasn't in sight. I asked if he was there... Kids said he's sat on the stairs. I called through, and asked if he knew where DS new trainers were because I think the ones he has on are getting small. (I sent him in brand new ones) ex called back he doesn't know and he'll let me know if he finds them. He didn't lay eyes on me at all. I don't care about the new trainers... Other than the fact I now have no trainers that fit for DS to wear to childminder Tomorrow

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billy1966 · 14/01/2021 18:21

Log this please.

You have bought shoes which your son needs but your ex is keeping them.

Keep strong, you are doing so well.
Flowers

sunset900 · 14/01/2021 18:30

It will get easier and your DC will be fine. I had similar worries at one point and was told 'they will be ok, they have you'. It is likely that as time goes on he will have them less and less (he sounds the type) and therefore less of an influence on them. The heightened emotions when back are normal too and will again get better with adjustment and age.

Embracelife · 14/01/2021 18:39

Stop engaging
He jyst wamts you to engage
His time with the dc he decides what he does