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How do I get over this?

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Violet70 · 05/01/2021 22:46

Quick background, I've had a terrible time with men. From the age of five I was abused and then through my teen years too on separate occasions. Then when I was sixteen I met my husband who I ended up being with for over twenty years. He was really abusive and controlling and I was miserable pretty much the whole time but was too scared to leave and didn't know any different as all my experience of men was bad and I didnt trust anyone. I finally plucked up the courage to end it and didnt shed a single tear as I'd felt so detached for years anyway.

I had been working for three years with this really nice guy. We had become really good friends and he was there for me through all of that and also serious health issues I was going through. Nothing ever happened in those three years but he left the job and we stayed in touch and started meeting for drinks regularly as friends. Eventually he told me he liked me for ages and would like something to happen. I was really cautious for a while because of my lack of trust and hadn't been with anyone else apart from my husband. I really liked him and we spent hours and hours talking every day and I even told him all my worries and insecurities and was really understanding and said we could take it slow. I even told him some of the childhood stuff to explain why I'm so scared of men. He was amazing about it all.

Anyway I finally spent the night at his and it was the most amazing, romantic night of my life. He'd put candles and fairy lights up. Made a soundtrack with my favourite songs to play and everything was perfect. I couldnt believe I could feel like that and that a man could be that nice and kind and gentle. He was so enthusiastic after too and said how he thought it was perfect and nothing he would change and how he couldnt wait to hang out more and see what happens. So for the next month we spent all our time chatting and hanging out. We were always laughing and everything was perfect. Then one night I stayed and we still had a good night but he was a bit quiet but I knew he was tired so didn't think too much. I went home and then he completely cut me off. Stopped messaging me for two weeks with no explanation and when he finally did he coldly by text just said I want to end this now. There was no explanation. I tried to get out of him what was wrong but he wouldn't give a reason and was being really cruel saying wow didnt expect you to freak out and stuff like I can't sit in every day talking to you, which was weird as he instigated all the texting. It was like a completely different person to my friend of three years.

So I was heartbroken as felt not only was he so cruel and cold about it and did it by text. It felt like he didn't even care if we were friends anymore after promising we would not let anything ruin our friendship. Also he knew how hard it had been for me to do what we did and he then did that.

I spent the next two months barely eating or sleeping as I felt so unattractive and sad. Spent the whole two months thinking about what did I do? Whats wrong with me? I then finally caved and text asking if we can meet as I want to talk about it as need closure. So we met and he was really nice, said sorry and said the thing he'd been hiding was that he suffered from really bad depression over the years and it had got really bad and he couldn't cope with chatting all the time and pretending to be happy and when he goes like that he just shuts himself away. He said it was nothing I'd done, that he'd loved all of it and that he regretted the way it ended. I told him I understood, that I would be there for him as a friend and he could always turn to me. So we left on good terms. For a few months after that we were meeting once a month for a catch up. Got on really well but I could see he was struggling a lot with the depression. Also he'd started drinking a lot too he said although I didnt see that side of him but he said every night he had to drink. I noticed though that sometimes we'd meet and he'd suddenly kick off over nothing and be irritable or suddenly want to leave really suddenly which I put down to the depression.

Months passed and he one day said to me he wanted to try again with us meeting up more and again see how things went. He said he didnt want to hurt me again and how i had nothing to worry about. He even said how we're back on track and how he never stopped liking me and how he had really wanted to make me happy. So the next few months were the best ever we just got closer and closer and were always laughing when we were together. He even introduced me to his family. In between though I wouldn't hear from him and he'd take a week to reply but I just thought it was down to the depression so just gave him space. So we spent one last amazing night together and the next time I saw him after that he was completely cold again, wouldn't even sit next to me, hold my hand, started talking about other women he liked and how he wanted to have fun and was just awful to me, really rude and nasty. When I said he was hurting my feelings he was mocking me and saying how old are you? Being so horrible. I couldnt believe it. I left there in a state of shock and cried for days that id lost him again. I didn't contact him for three months and only then because it was his birthday. So we kind of started speaking again but have never ever mentioned whats happened. If I see him now which is rarely its like nothing ever happened between us we don't even mention that time or why he went like that. So again I'm left with no answers or closure. Also he disclosed to me after that he has a massive cocaine habit (I think he was telling me this to give a kind of explanation to his erratic behaviour) which I hadn't known before as am dead against doing things like that. So that would explain his massive mood swings, how selfish he is now and why he kept disappearing all the time as he was obviously off doing that. He spends all his time now doing cocaine at home on his own, spending hundreds a week and is a completely different person to the one I knew.

I can't believe I could get someone so wrong and now I look back at the experience like it was all a lie. I feel like I will never trust another man as long as I live as every single experience has been awful. Also I dont want anyone else but him, the old him though. My confidence has been destroyed and more then anything I miss him so much. I miss laughing with him and telling him everything and how kind he was to me always checking up on me and remembering important stuff. Now hes just gone and I feel empty. When we do meet occasionally its like hes dead inside and I can see he's struggling with addictions and depression. He's drinking every day and turned so deceitful and selfish and it just breaks my heart to see him like that and worry every day that something will happen to him. He doesn't seem to miss me at all or even ask how I am even though I'm going through so much in my life.

I feel like its messed me up so much as its brought up all the other times I've been hurt by men so that's all in my head again. I feel so let down and betrayed. I would give anything to go back to when we were happy and this time it be true. I actually loved him so much. Sometimes I want to tell him but what would be the point when he's like that now and would always put drugs and drink before me and obviously doesn't care about me for him to do that. I know he's so wrong for me but feel like I'll never have that connection with anyone else. Its been well over a year now so why do I still think of him all day every day from the moment I wake till I go to sleep. I've tried everything I can think of to stop it and its like torture. Even when I'm having good times with my friends I'm still thinking of him and am not interested in anyone else. Everywhere I go theres a sadness that wasn't there before. Also because he's still my friend (if you can call him that) I really care about him. I worry he'll do something stupid and end up dead or lose his job and i want him to get the help he needs and even dream that he will and comes back the way he used to be so we can be happy again. How do I get over this?

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Eckhart · 05/01/2021 22:56

It sounds like a trauma bond to me. You'll be vulnerable to this because you have abuse in your past.

www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/trauma-bonding#causes

You have some work to do on yourself, and it doesn't involve him being in your life. It's hard. But if you don't do it, you'll repeatedly put yourself in the path of abusers. It is the most valuable thing you can do for yourself. Start reading about self validation, and red flags. Spot bits that seem relevant to you, and follow them. Get counselling if you can.

This isn't your fault. It is your responsibility to fix though.

You have to understand that you are ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, and amazing people simply do not allow themselves to be treated in this way. Get him off that pedestal; there isn't room up there for the two of you, and you should be on it.

prawncocktailpringles · 05/01/2021 23:03

I am so sorry you have been through this and I know others will have better advice than me but my ex also hid a cocaine habit from me and it turned him from a sweet (albeit uselesss and unreliable) man into a really nasty horrible person. I hadn't really been around cocaine users before and had no idea that it could change a person so fundamentally. None of this is on you and you have been really unlucky but I don't think it is a good idea to keep someone like this is your life. It is a horrible drug and he will drag you down with him. I really hope you find someone who treats you well. I haven't but I have my pets and lovely friends and really appreciate my life and am working on my relationship with myself which is the one thing I can control. Counselling helped a lot because i finally found the right counsellor for me.
There is a book called Reinventing Your Life by Jeffrey someone. It is better than the title suggests. I love self help books. They don't solve everything but at least make you feel like you are doing something.
I hope others with more experience will be along soon to help.

category12 · 05/01/2021 23:13

Please end this "friendship" and cut contact - he's not your friend and you would be far better off giving yourself the chance to get over him by no longer having him in your life.

Act in your own best interests.

You cannot cure or change him, and love or a relationship isn't the answer to his issues either. He is the answer to his own problems, and only he can do anything about them. You're not his therapist or nurse, and even if you were, you should never date patients Grin.

You might find the Freedom Programme useful and to do some work on your self esteem and boundaries in relationships. The shark cage analogy might also be helpfulwww.oomm.live/the-shark-cage-metaphor-spotting-potential-abusers/

When someone treats you like absolute shit the once, make it the last time.

katy1213 · 05/01/2021 23:26

Just cut all contact with him - his problems shouldn't be your problems.
One night of sodding fairylights is not worth all this misery.

Violet70 · 05/01/2021 23:36

Thank you so much for the replies! You're right I know I have to cut contact for my own sanity. We hardly see each other now anyway but I know there'll be times we probably might see each other because of mutual friends or old work things we do annually. I feel sick thinking next time I see him he could be with someone else and it makes me feel sick even though he would probably be the same. Its weird because I know I would never put myself through that again its just the thoughts I want to stop. You're right @Eckhart it does sound like trauma bonding. I have such bad boundaries. I'm naturally an easy going person and hate arguing so just let things go. With him I was too scared to ever say anything in case he stopped wanting to speak to me. I was trying to make him happy at a cost to myself.

@prawncocktailpringles sorry you've been through a similar thing. Its such a shock isn't it when the person you knew completely disappears. Im glad you're happy now though and I definitely don't want to meet anyone else yet and am trying to do nice things too to make myself feel better.

@category12 will take a look at the freedom programme. I do feel I need something to break the bond. I do try and fix people and help people and you're right its not my job to do that. It really hurts realising he wasn't my friend. Its like I have to rethink everything and torture myself going through every conversation and good time we had and its like a video playing in my head of us laughing and I cant believe it was all a lie.

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Violet70 · 05/01/2021 23:39

@katy1213 it was three years of really great friendship first and then after that night, months of laughter and fun and promises and him making me feel amazing. Also I'd never been treated so well by anyone or felt that way about anyone and that's what I'm finding hard thinking I might never have that again but you're right either way I need to cut him out.

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katy1213 · 05/01/2021 23:44

Well, look at it this way. If you saw an advert: Depressed, bad-tempered, heavy-drinking cokehead seeks girlfriend - would you apply for the job?

category12 · 05/01/2021 23:49

You don't have to convince yourself it was all a lie or rewrite your memories - what you do have to do is realise that the good times are over and he isn't a good person for you to be around any more. You knew part of who he was, and it wasn't the full story. You can't ever rewind the clock or go back to how it was.

I think sometimes people with a leaning towards "fixing" or rescuing other people, often use it somewhat as a distraction from their own stuff. You've had a helluva time and traumatic history - it's time to do some rebuilding and rescuing of yourself.

AramintaLee · 05/01/2021 23:52

I'm sorry you're going through this OP. I was in a similar relationship with a guy who I only refer to these days as my "evil ex". I clung onto those rare good times but in reality he was an unstable, alcoholic asshole who knew exactly how to pull my strings. I ended up cutting all contact (including leaving the company we both worked for... I walked out one day and never went back) and it was the best decision I could have made. Now I see him for what he was and just feel silly for having wasted time and energy on him. You can't change men like this, all you can do is see the red flags and run a mile to protect yourself. Good luck!

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 05/01/2021 23:57

He isn't the person you thought he was or who you want him to be

He tried to present himself that way for a short time but ultimately couldn't hide his true self

He's an alcoholic and a drug addict

Walk away. Seriously.

There are decent men out there OP but you won't meet any of them while you still have this clown hanging around.

Violet70 · 06/01/2021 00:02

@katy1213 when you put it like that no i definitely wouldn't! Grin

@category12 you're right I definitely need to work on myself and forget him. I need to tell myself he's not a good person for me. In the past he was the first person I wanted to tell stuff too good or bad but I've realised he just doesn't care anyway.

@AramintaLee sorry you've been through a similar thing. You did well to get out when you could and I'm glad now you're over him and realise it was the best decision. I know deep down its the best thing for me too. I hope I get to the stage you're at where I feel the same.

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Violet70 · 06/01/2021 00:05

@MrJollyLivesNextDoor you're right he did present him self in the perfect way. He has a really responsible job, volunteered his time to help people, had impeccable manners and then the mask slipped. I know he's wrong I just cant get my head round how wrong!

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