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Was my relationship abusive

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WingingItAtLife · 26/12/2020 19:25

I've left my partner after 14 years. We've had a very up and down relationship for a long time. I've discussed some things with my closest friend and she's told me that my ex had some abusive behaviour towards me and I'm after some other opinions on it.

I don't know where to start, and it's likely to be rambly, so I apologise in advance.

I'll start with the argument that made me eventually leave.... He's always been insecure and would periodically ask me if I still loved him, and tell me he felt he wasnt enough for me... I'd always reply that of course I loved him. I'd chosen to have children with him and was desperate to get married to him.
He started a few weeks back to question why I always seemed to come out from our sons bedroom at the same time as he would get up off the sofa/go to the loo/kitchen. I've always done every bedtime for both kids and have always laid with our son until he fell asleep. I told ex he was being daft, there's no correlation between me leaving the room and him getting up, and that I was simply lying on the dark waiting for our son to fall asleep. he then said I always seemed angry then and stormed around tidying up the living room and kitchen. It was suspicious to him. I tried to explain I was a bit Angry that I had to tidy up as well as doing bedtime. One evening, while I was lying in bed with ds, I heard ex come upstairs, into our bedroom, then straight back down. I looked at Ds, he was asleep so I left his bedroom. Ex was stood at bottom of stairs and said something like 'i didn't even get downstairs!' I told him I felt like he was trying to catch me out or something. The next morning I received this text.....

Time of year again isn't it coming up to DD birthday an you want to argue an split up you took her away from me for her second birthday of which I will never forget, what has Snapchat or Instagram got anything to do with asking you a f.....ng question.... Accused me of sneaking round the house, to turn the heating on in my bedroom of my house your an absolute joke thinking this is my fault if you could answer would be something but no,,, stamping round the house same cleaning rush every time it's not that I don't trust you honestly I would have gone a long time ago if I thought for one second you would even touch another man, but there's definitely something going on in that messed up head of yours....

The reason I 'accused him' of trying to catch me out is that for about 2/3 months last year, he actually left old phones around the house voice recording me while he was at work, while I was sleeping an while I was showering. He was absolutely convinced he could hear things on these recordings, despite his best friend telling him there was no noises on them. We had major arguments during that period but I stayed as I was concerned for his mental health. He was adamant he could hear me whispering sexual things. I would go to bed and he would stand in the spare room in the dark listening to me... Or sit on the stairs listening to me. Then get angry at me for 'catching' him when I got up for a drink or wee. It sounds insane, I know. He would spend all his waking time in the garage, he told me he was tidying and having a rest from work. I begged and pleaded with him to come in and spend time with us as a family, this was before I realised he'd been recording me. He was actually analysing the recordings up the garage. He was 100% sure I was cheating on him. Adamant. I dreaded coming home from work. I got anxious about showering cz I didn't know if he was recording me. I eventually told him I felt so uncomfortable in my house. He sort of apologised and said he wouldn't do it again.
We tried to move on from it but never really talked about it in length. I didn't want to bring it up because I felt like hed turn it on me and say the reason I was so upset by it was because I was hiding something.

this year during the lockdown and everything else, we've been okay ish. Not as many arguments. He was furloughed for months which resulted in an unhealthy amount of time spent on PS. I'd come home from work and barely any housework been done so I did it. I bathed the kids cz he said he didn't see why he should. I cooked 4-5 times a week. He did 2-3 times. I did all the home schooling with the kids on my days off.

So when these arguments began again, I'll admit I panicked. Possibly over reacted to his 'questions'. But I just couldn't bare being made so anxious and uncomfortable in my Own house again. My privacy and trust was completely violated. But he still thinks he was right in doing so because I was acting 'suspicious'. So we didn't speak to each other properly for almost a week after he sent me that text. I asked him if he wanted to call a truce and talk but he said no. He said our relationship was over. Next thing I knew his status on FB was changed to single along with a posed photo of him showing his muscles through his t-shirt. My parents phoned me and asked if I was okay, I moved out with the kids that night. To my parents.

The other thing my friend says is not on, is his constant complaining about lack of sex. We had sex at least weekly, most weeks 2-3 times. But I'd still receive texts asking me why we weren't having sex, nasty texts like 'obviously sex once a week is enough for you then!!!' or 'ive done loads to help round the house this weekend, and still no sex!'.
Once we went on a holiday and didn't have sex at all that week.... A boat holiday that meant we shared a room with the kids. He didn't actually brush his teeth that week... Told me he couldn't find his toothbrush that was next to the sink.... So he used his finger to rub toothpaste around. He told me I'd ruined his holiday by being distant.

There's loads more I could write but I'd be here for hours. Does this sound like an abusive relationship to anyone?
The more I listen to my friend the more I think she's right but I don't know if it's also my fault because I'm an argumentative sort of person. Strongly opinionated. I am tired a lot of the time (Ds doesn't sleep through). I am grumpy after work - very stressful during pandemic. I do shout at the kids when they won't sleep .... Something he absolutely hated and told me lots of times he felt sorry for the kids having their mum shouting at them at bedtime.
Regardless, our relationship is over anyway. I am certain of it. I am over the drama, haven't got the energy to be in a fiery relationship anymore. The way he has been after this breakup has cemented even further what I already knew about him being selfish and putting himself first.
I just wanted others opinions. Sorry it's sooooo long. Once I started it was hard to stop x

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Aquamarine1029 · 26/12/2020 19:29

Your ex was very abusive, and he sounds unhinged, honestly.

Cloudfrost · 26/12/2020 20:21

to be honest u should have left the first time you caught him recording you!
he is abusive,controlling, a sex pest, a creep, a shit father and a lazy twat... he has been gaslighting you for ages that its you who has been at fault, that somehow u deserve all this.

also i wouldnt be surprised if at some point he was the one that cheated on you, people who obsess about their partner cheating often do so because they base their expectations of others on their own behavior

glad you have left unharmed, please do not take him back. Thats the sort of unhinged men who one day snap and cause bodily harm or even kill their partners.

Windmillwhirl · 26/12/2020 20:31

What are you getting out of this relationship?

The recording you is very strange and totally wrong. That would have had me gone. He needs professional help, not you minding him.

WingingItAtLife · 26/12/2020 20:48

Thank you for your responses

I'm no longer getting anything at all out of this relationship... I've left. I know this time I won't go back. I hate him.

I know deep down I should have left a long time ago.... I tried. A lot of times. An embarrassing amount of times actually. Staying at my parents for a couple of days/a week then he'd persuade me we could work at it. Promised me he'd stop getting angry and smashing stuff up. Promised me he would change and stop expecting so much of me.
By the time the recording happened, we'd not long bought our house. Signed up for a huge mortgage. I felt stupid that I'd trusted him enough and forgiven him. Felt embarrassed to turn up at my parents again with two kids. Dreaded being a single mother (sorry).

This time I'm ready for it. I've thought about it a lot over the last year. (Probably why he sensed something was odd with me to be fair and started suspecting me). I know financially I'll be okay once we sell the house. I know I have good family around me. Great family. And some good friends. Not many, but enough. He's been my world since I was 17 so it's a huge change for me but I'm ready for it.
I'm looking forward to being on my own and being able to do what I want without stupid questions like ' why are you washing your hair before work??' FFS I've been a mug. But still there's a niggling doubt that it's somehow my fault x

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Cloudfrost · 26/12/2020 21:02

Good for you for finally putting ypurself first and taking this step. You are not stupid and its not your fault, abusive relationships are hard to leave because they fuck up with your sense of self worth and they warp the sense of whats normal and whats not. especially when you got with him so young, that you lacked a point of reference of what a good healthy relationship should be like. I am sure he wasnt like that from the start, cause if abusers were so abusive from the get go noone would stay!

just think that being a single mum will be so much easier than having to parent while u have a lazy manchild who offers little to no help at home/with kids, and you will not have to deal with all the BS ideas in his head, no having to explain yourself, no being interrogated.
Becoming a single mum will actually take a load of stress and work off yu, since you were alreeady doing everything!

havecourage8bekind · 26/12/2020 21:10

He's abusive, and I truly hope you never go back. I've just got out of an abusive relationship, and if you're anything like me, in the days/weeks to come you will discover more things that he was doing that you thought were normal but were really not!

havecourage8bekind · 26/12/2020 21:13

"why are you washing your hair before work" YES to this! I had this aswell. But also if I didn't wash my hair before, and showered after - I'd be asked why I needed a shower straight from work! Who was I washing off?! Hmm

WingingItAtLife · 26/12/2020 22:17

Cloudfrost, thank you. I have felt stupid, and embarrassed for putting up with it for so long. I am a fairly intelligent woman with a respectable job - I know better than think this is acceptable. Ex is clever though, from the outside he seems wonderful, hard working, loves outdoor activities with the kids, buys us nice things. The household stuff, cooking, shopping, lunchbox prep, school uniform etc etc was approx 90/10 split so I think being single, I can wipe out the 10% he did by simply not having to pick up his crap. Or do his lunchbox. Or wash his work clothes. Or clean up his hair from the sink. Etc etc. 👍

Havecourage, I've had lots of time to think and have realised that it's not normal. So much of it is not normal. Yes, it sort of gets to the point where you can't win can you? Whatever you do is wrong or suspicious.

How long ago did you split? And how are you doing now? x x

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redastherose · 26/12/2020 22:51

Your relationship definitely was abusive, he was recording you in your own home and accusing you of infidelity which you were having to defend. He was also coercing you into sex. These are not the actions of a nice man. Forget about his claims that it was down to you, did you do any of the things he accused you of? Having affairs, sneaking men into your home etc etc of course you didn't he just made that up as a stick to beat you with.

I also take the concerned for his mental health but with a huge pinch of salt. You'd be amazed how many abusive men play the I'm depressed or I'm stressed or I'm insecure card to force their victims into feeling that they aren't responsible for their actions so you have to carry on making allowances for their behaviour.

I'm sure his behaviour became abusive gradually and it is like the boiled frog analogy, you become accustomed to the behaviour and modifying your own behaviour not to trigger his accusations/response. Basically you were being trained to accept the abuse bit by bit.

It also doesn't matter how intelligent you are, loads of professional women with good careers have ended up in abusive relationships. It happens in all walks of life too, just look at Nigella! The important thing is that you have now seen what has been happening, doing lots of reading around this topic can help you see what has happened and also just how common it is. Well done for leaving, please don't believe any promises to change, they won't happen. Been there got the t-shirt.

AmywithanL · 27/12/2020 00:03

Ive just come out of a 7 year relationship like this. Your not on your own and like a pp said, your mind will go back to other occasions from your relationship and you will realise that the way you were living and being treated was not normal. But thats not to say you were ‘stupid’ for not noticing, thats just how an abuser works....its a very slow process and at the time its happening you dont realise it.

WingingItAtLife · 27/12/2020 11:42

Yes I'm not sure whether to believe his claims that he has been depressed..... He's always had a very black and white view on mental health.... Always said he didn't understand how people were depressed. Whenever I felt fed up or anything he'd simply tell me to get over it and I should be grateful how much I have for the little hours I worked 🙄

Thank you for making me feel less 'stupid'.

I'm okay I'm just slightly struggling sometimes when people say negative things about him. I say lots of negative things but sometimes I feel the need to defend him when others do. It's a weird feeling x

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Hailtomyteeth · 27/12/2020 12:05

I've only read the opening post, but by half way through I was convinced he's barking mad and you're well out of it.

Congratulations on starting a new and better life.

SecretDoor · 27/12/2020 13:20

He sounds paranoid

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