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relationships after 15 year sexless marriage

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namechangealerttt · 21/12/2020 02:11

OK, so I am 43, 15 year marriage has just ended...sexless for 8 years, not great sex before that. I have 2 kids 11 and 8.

My self esteem has taken a nose dive having a husband that is not interested me, I have been mildly depressed for a few years because of this, with some periods of deeper depression when I have gone on medication and seeked counselling. I should have ended this sooner, but the fog of depression made it hard, I didn't know if me being depressed made the relationship bad or the bad relationship made me depressed...I finally figured the relationship was massively adding to the depression, and in the 3-4 weeks since officially splitting, I am already feeling so much better.

Ok, so up till Saturday night I firmly believed I would stay single for a long while to work on myself and heal. I was at a birthday party, an old friend from uni, so we have known each other over 2 decades! Anyway, friend of said friend, who I have also known for same length of time but never socialised independently with, there was MASSIVE sexual tension between us, like nothing I have not experienced in years. I had to walk away from him a few times during the evening because I didn't want to go there, and I did not say goodbye to him when I left the party. He is single.

I have repressed all sexual urges within myself for years. This sexual tension awakened it and I went home and masturbated 3 times in 24 hours (which I did not even do while I was married).

So what do I do? Be sensible, try and heal, work on my self esteem - I kind of think I need to do this, but now I am desperate for sex! I have never owned a vibrator as I just repressed everything to deal with my shitty marriage, do I just go buy one and settle for that for now? I don't think I want one night stands, FWB is appealing, but if I liked someone enough for a FWB situation, I might end up falling for them and that could be difficult.

How long should you really wait to start seeing new people after such a long marriage, does the marriage being dead for so long make any difference?

OP posts:
Sunflowergirl1 · 24/12/2020 07:50

Yes really nice update...I would keep texting Jack casually and when ready try for a date

namechangealerttt · 29/12/2020 05:25

So I was reading another thread on the relationships board about a woman who, for her husbands sake said she will not have sex with him anymore because it is so painful for her that she has to instigate it every 4-6 weeks, and he never does, but they both enjoy it when they do.

Reading the thread and people's comments made me realise no wonder I have been so depressed, it is horrible living with someone that should be showing you interest but doesn't - and I didn't even have sex every 6 weeks!

So, I have been with the kids the last 4 nights, and my family, but I have also been texting Jack. Lots of jokes and stuff, teasing each other, which I was enjoying...then he asked me to quit joking around because he wanted to know what was going on, I think he wanted to know exactly what my situation was and where all these text messages were heading.

It is so much easier to be honest not face to face...so I was pretty honest. I said my marriage had been bad for a number of years, but also that I had been depressed which made it hard to leave because I didn't want to leave when I wasn't thinking straight, and that I finally realised the crappy relationship had massively contributed to the depression, and so I left...and yes it is very recent, but it is definitely over, and for logistical/financial reasons, it will probably be a little while till there is an actual divorce.

I said I wasn't expecting or looking to meet anyone, but I had such a nice time seeing him at the party, and it was a bit of a headfuck for me because I wasn't expecting to meet anyone, so I went to ask the people of the internet what I should do, and they told me to send him an email (I didn't mention mumsnet, and I most definitely did not send him a link to this thread!)

He said he had felt a little guilty because he had met my husband and stayed over at our house once (many years ago), and he had also been in a relationship before with a woman that was married, and it was a mess.

I assured him my marriage was over. I told him I don't know what I want right now, I am not in any position where I would be introducing anyone anytime soon to my kids or family. I also wanted to check that what I interpreted as sexual tension at the party was not just one sided me feeling unbelievably horny because I was finally single and there was a single man with a pulse in front of me (I didn't say it like that) and he said it wasn't one sided. I had accidentally sat on his hand apparently (I didn't know I had), and he had wanted to squeeze my bum but he didn't.

So Jack suggested we could casually fuck and hang out if we want - which to be honest, I think is EXACTLY what I want, except I found the term casually fuck a bit crass. I even told him I haven't had sex in years and I think I have forgotten what to do. That was all very late at night.

The next day I messaged about actually making a date...and then I backtracked and said I don't want to casually fuck, because I don't like the term - he said I could decide on nomenclature, and if we agreed before hand and he thought he had it in the bag, he might make no effort. He was ok with that and said basically said if I had turned up on his doorstep just to fuck it could have been a little abrupt.

So, I think I might be seeing him Thursday, which just happens to be new years eve, could be a very good way to see in the new year. I live about 50 minutes drive from him, so I said if I drink I will have to stay over, and he said staying over confers no necessary implications...which is nice to know

This is turning into an a bit of an online therapeutic journal...hope the Fail doesn't pick it up..."Mumsnetters Encourage Woman in Sexless Marriage to Break Drought for the New Year"

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StarlightLady · 29/12/2020 08:24

Thank you for the update OP. It sounds as if you might have a better little new year’s party than many.

Remember to pop some condoms in your bag. If he has some, then fine, but don’t depend on that.

Take care and go out your own pace. In saying that, you have every right to go for 100 mph. Or not as the case maybe.

Think about the morning thing too, lots of us have sex with someone the first time, l’ve done it lots of times. A sleep over the first time can be a little awkward though with the strange house thing and the bathroom thing. You might want to consider not drinking and driving home.

nolongersurprised · 29/12/2020 09:24

I’m in Australia too but my New Year’s will be much tamer!

If it happens you definitely deserve some fun and sexual adoration. But make sure you pace yourself emotionally - after 15 years of deprivation you’ll be vulnerable. Don’t mistake your sweaty (it’s hot here!) post shag oxytocin rush for a deeper emotional connection. Remember, he’s signed up for a casual fuck and hanging out.

And take condoms and lube and bubbles. (And update us!)

nolongersurprised · 29/12/2020 09:26

Sorry - forgot you didn’t like his phrase of “casually fuck”. Casual sex is a better alternative.

sunnysunshine40 · 29/12/2020 12:02

Ahh OP so jealous of you but equally very pleased for you!

I split from my DH in March. I'm 40 and we had a sexless marriage for the last 6 years of it. The pandemic has made it difficult to meet someone else but I can't wait for that post marriage sex that everyone is talking about.

A great update from you OP. Very best wishes and enjoy! Wink

Divebar · 29/12/2020 12:11

You’re getting a “ dusting down” OP. Have a fabulous time... if it’s not fantastic the first time it’s just due to lack of practice. And we all know what they say about that ... practice makes perfect.

namechangealerttt · 29/12/2020 16:02

Thanks everyone. The thing about being in a sexless marriage is it is so isolating, you feel like you are the only one, so for other people like @sunnysunshine40 to share...I feel some solidarity in this sad lonely position.

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TheWindowDonkey · 29/12/2020 16:51

Another one who was in a sexless, or more accurately very unsatisfying marriage. We split and Im with a new partner and having the best sex of my life in my 40’s. It has completely changed the way i feel about myself. I wish you luck in your new life and a lot of fun in what comes next. 😁

Isitreally77 · 29/12/2020 16:57

I was in one too, I'm still to find that new man but I'm looking forward to discovering sex again.

Qwincy · 29/12/2020 17:07

Sounds like there are a lot of us in the same boat. I had my first date in 20 years yesterday. 10 of those last years have been in a sexless and loveless marriage and I can’t wait to get back out there now I’m only 40.
Enjoy you NY OP and everyone else too x

namechangealerttt · 30/12/2020 11:31

Jack has booked a restaurant, but I am going to meet him at his house first,

@nolongersurprised I reread your comments...you are right, I am still pretty vulnerable. I think in the new year I still really need to book in for therapy, to clear my head...not just rely on casual fucking sex therapy!

I have had a great couple of days, catching up with female friends. This is so important to me to invest in my female friendships. Maintaining friendships is hard when you are depressed because there is no desire to reach out and connect with people or instigate catch ups. Odds are my female friends will be around much longer than Jack!

I don't know how prolifically you have all been reading other threads on the relationships board, I made a comment to someone else if they are in my city, get in touch and I would go for a drink...someone else actually reached out. I can just imagine a group of us women all ending crappy long term relationships at the same time meeting for a drink. We will all be so empowered together regaining our sense of self that we have lost...we can turn into the midlife version of those mumpreneurs you read about, that become friends at an ante natal class and buy the rights to distribute micro scooters and make millions. Our strength and tenacity, combined with the bond we form finding ourselves after dumping our unsatisfying husbands and experiencing a sexual revolution...we will come up with amazing ideas together and change the world!

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Dixiechickonhols · 30/12/2020 13:28

Hope you have a lovely evening and onwards and upwards to a brighter 2021.

sunnysunshine40 · 30/12/2020 15:46

Yes... @namechangealerttt I'd be up for that. Would be so completely empowering to do that....and just so heart warming yet so sad that there are others in the same situation as us...and also who are so young. Yes 40 and early 40s is so young and no age where women are putting up with being in sexless marriages. Its such a huge knock to our self esteem and self worth.

Congratulations to you, me and all the rest of you for leaving such demoralising marriages. And very best wishes and exciting times ahead....rediscovering sex again Wink amongst all the other things including finding ourselves again Flowers

Mlm1236 · 30/12/2020 16:44

Such a great thread to read!! Good for you!! Grin

sunnysunshine40 · 01/01/2021 21:25

Did you have a good NY OP? Happy New Year everyone else x

namechangealerttt · 02/01/2021 14:42

Hello everyone following this.

So the big update!!! Sorry for the delay, there is real life outside mumsnet and I have been busy!

I started new years eve pretty exhausted...it had been a full on month...separating from my husband, getting a new flat set up, working full time. My choice, I only took one day off work in December, I wanted to stay busy, my way of coping, but it did mean by Christmas I needed a break but there were lots of visits with family and friends...which was actually lovely. New Years Eve I didn't have the kids and was supposed to be clearing our my personal possessions from the family home, but I was too tired, sat on the sofa and binged Netflix...and then totally miss timed preparations for the evening!

I only have a basic wardrobe in my new flat, haven't moved the full wardrobe over, so thought I would see if there was a new top I could buy in the small town I live. The small independent shops were closed for a break between Christmas and new year, which only left Kmart, I picked up anew pair of jeans there, but no nice tops, so I went back to my old house to rifle through my wardrobe. My ex and the kids were not supposed to be there, and I was just going to go in to find something to wear. They unexpectedly turned up, so then I had to act like I was there to try and pack my things up, so had to start throwing clothes into suitcases, and had to spend time with the kids wishing them happy new year etc. and had to spend some time with the ex chatting about our calendars and plans for the kids...so that threw me out at least 45 minutes.

I found a nice zara shirt in my wardrobe, but it is translucent, and the strap on the vest top I would normally wear underneath had broken, so I had to go back to kmart...realised I didn't know where my razors were so had to head to the supermarket...got back home, and immediately found the razors I already owned.

I don't like to fully shave or wax the garden because of itchy regrowth, and being in the new flat I only had 1 pair of scissors in the whole flat to do the job. I have a friend that took me house shopping, she made me a huge shopping list and held my hand through it all. She insisted I needed to get myself a set of good quality kitchen knives. All I had were a very sharp pair of brand new kitchen scissors...not Ideal! I proceeded to nick myself. TMI, while doing the job I also found my found my first grey pubic hair...I decided to take that as a sign I am entering a new era!

I was really running behind at this point, but needed to take a few minutes to cut the Anko labels out of the new items of clothing because I couldn't face the reality that I may have just become a K-Mart mum! (Anko being the Kmart own brand).

I was meant to meet Jack at his house, before going for dinner, but I had to message him to say I would meet him at the restaurant. He told me to park in the Woolworths carpark...under time pressure I picked the wrong woolworths on Google maps...and arrived even later profusely apologising! The food was good, but to be honest I don't think either of us were particularly interested in it!

Back to Jacks...music on, chatted, he bought Pimms especially in memory of some nights we had when we were much younger...and we had our clothes off before midnight.

It was not mind blowing, but I definitely enjoyed it. Jack made a lot more effort to make sure i enjoyed myself than my husband ever did. like @Divebar said above, practice makes perfect...and I think I need a lot of practice. I need to learn what I like and how to articulate that...because I can't do that yet.

I did get to practice saying no. Both Jack and I had condoms, but he asked if he could not use them...I just don't get it...do some women really say 'fine, let's not use a condom'? so men think if they ask they have a realistic chance, or are they just trying it on? Anyway, he was fine with keeping it on.

After so long of only having one partner, and then no sex at all...I suddenly had this completely different person in front of me, different size, different shape, different preferences, different moves...I am so glad I did it. I felt like I was reclaiming a piece of me, and I am free to live on my own terms now.

At midnight we were lying there in his bed and could hear all the neighbours out out on the street banging suacepans or whatever it is they were doing to make a racket...it was a cathartic way to see in the new year.

I stayed over, hung about the next day, mostly just chilling, he made me lunch, and I left at about 3pm.

We have messaged each other since. I think I will see him again, and I am even getting used to the term 'casually fuck' and I think I am happy to start using it. He is nice, kind, funny, intelligent...but we all have some baggage by the time we are this age. I am aware of some things in his life that would have been difficult for him...and being at his house, rather than in a party environment, it seemed quite likely he has an alcohol abuse problem. My ex husbands unhealthy relationship with alcohol, was one factor that contributed to the demise of the marriage, it is scary how common it is. I did ask Jack if he usually drinks too much, and he said he does. I do really like Jack as a person and friend so it is sad to see someone hurting themselves like that, probably because at some point they have been emotionally hurting.

Sorry, slightly weird depressing turn that took at the end. Wish I could have just said it was the most amazing night of sex in my life and I rode off into the sunset, but life isn't usually like that.

I definitely dusted out the cobwebs, had a good time, and took a step forward for myself. Thank you all for being there and reading this. I like to believe there is more good than bad out there, and everyone that has read or commented feels like a member of a little cheer squad for me.

Happy New Year everyone! Hope it is a good one for you all xxx

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lemonsquashie · 02/01/2021 19:23

Happy New Year OP! Congratulations

Think of him as sorbet. A palate cleanser: nothing more

nolongersurprised · 02/01/2021 21:44

I am so glad I did it. I felt like I was reclaiming a piece of me, and I am free to live on my own terms now.

That sounds cathartic! Sex with a new partner is rarely like the movies, especially the first time, especially after a 15 year drought.

I have had 4 pregnancies and a range of different clothes for them but my Kmart maternity jeans definitely did the distance.

nolongersurprised · 02/01/2021 22:16

TMI, while doing the job I also found my found my first grey pubic hair..

Whenever I find one I think of that Sex in the City episode where Samantha grows out her pubes for her boyfriend who prefers a “full bush”. There’s a dramatic scene where she calls Carrie into the bathroom to show her a grey pube and laments that it’ll have to all come off again because, “Nobody wants to fuck grandma!”

userxx · 02/01/2021 22:26

@lemonsquashie

Happy New Year OP! Congratulations

Think of him as sorbet. A palate cleanser: nothing more

Kind of brutal but spot on. I've had a few sorbet men in my life and they've done the trick.

namechangealerttt · 02/01/2021 23:04

@lemonsquashie That is a brilliant way to look at it.

I kind of want to go back for seconds to make sure that palate is completely clean before I move on Grin

Had to tell you women about the grey to keep it real. We are bombarded with so many airbrushed images, and so many of my friends, school mums etc have used botox. I felt that my husband felt repulsed by my 'changed' body (really, I hadn't aged any worse than him), so to see a different 43 year old body in front of me with clothes off and all its imperfections (and it definitely wasn't a bad body by any means), made me feel better about my own. We are not 23 anymore.

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Rainydayss · 02/01/2021 23:28

I can resonate with your posts so much. I'm the same age and also split with DH last year, again completely sexless marriage for at least 6 years. I completely lost sexual feelings and convinced myself I didn't need it.
I quickly got into a relationship, it didn't last (different long term views etc) but got me back in the horse so to speak and to be with someone who actually want intimacy with me.
I then had a break, enjoyed single time to spend on myself(lockdown forced it really). Then met a wonderful man 4 months ago.

So many advice would be to enjoy yourself but aware of the rebound situation and if that would be a person you'd want long term. You'll probably feel quite vulnerable, I know I was as I was desperate for attention or validation, which I'd lacked many years, looking back, I would have gone with Shrek! Set yourself some boundaries and enjoy getting your life and confidence back as it's a fabulous feeling.

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