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Children and divorce

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Lovelymonkeyninetynine · 20/12/2020 21:13

Has anyone got any experiences they can share of how divorce has impacted their kids?
I'm so worried about the effect, dp is moving out soon and I've always been a bit attachment style with my kids (not massively but a bit). It's so worrying. They will be so so upset. They are 6 and 8. Thanks.

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Febo24 · 21/12/2020 08:23

I'm in a similar position with similar aged kids. We've been pretty honest with them throughout, where appropriate. They know why we're in separate rooms, the school know and have kept an eye on them etc. Now they know he's looking for a house (he actually has one, so we only told them when we had certainty), next they'll know he's got one and plans to move before NY. They're excited about having 2 of everything.

I'm from a separated family, my DH isn't and I'd say he's the most f**ked up between the two of us. Separating doesn't mean you'll turn them into psychopaths, but you do have to do it in a considered way.

Are things good between you and DP?

My DDs teacher did her dissertation on how divorce doesn't necessarily mean unhappy kids, so there is research out there

Toomanycats99 · 21/12/2020 08:27

Mine seem to haven been fine. They got a bit upset when their dad wanted to play happy families with new girlfriend and felt they couldn't tell him (they didn't dislike her just said they felt odd going out as a 'family' without me. Probably not gaped by the fact he never took them anywhere by himself!

Although I didn't realise it they were defiantly picking up in tension in the house before we split and obviously they have been in a happier house since.

Notanybody · 21/12/2020 08:38

I'm in the same boat OP although my kids are slightly younger.

Dreading having "the conversation."

Febo24 · 21/12/2020 09:08

Also, attachment parenting doesn't change the fact that life happens. We can't shield kids from heartache and bad news, but we can equip them to be able to express themselves, give them the right support and a safe place to let it out without negative consequences or dismissal of feelings.

My DH often scoffs at me for having an attachment style of parenting. He seems to be taking a leaf out of his emotionally barren Father's book without connecting the dots that this 'style' of being strict, pointing out everyone's feelings and generally being a bit of a dick at times has landed him in this mess. Ho hum!

Febo24 · 21/12/2020 09:09

*pointing out everyone's failings

movingonup20 · 21/12/2020 10:08

Mine were a lot older but we were truthful, put their needs above ours and have maintained very good relations eg invited him for Christmas the first year (covid has put pay for unity this year) we have done family meals for key milestones and I stay at the house when I'm in town (I chose to move away but retain 50% ownership in the house until we sell once a the kids finish university in 18 months time). Going forward we were truthful about dating (dd helped me set up a profile) but always put them first. Communication is your key tool along with accepting your split and a determination to make a great life for your kids despite it. Make a pact with stbexh never to bad mouth the other, be adults and your kids will thrive

KumquatSalad · 21/12/2020 10:42

My DDs teacher did her dissertation on how divorce doesn't necessarily mean unhappy kids, so there is research out there

It’s the living with conflict that makes kids miserable, rather than their parents not being together. Both conflict within the family before it breaks up and then the myriad possibilities to continue that conflict after separation.

There’s absolutely no reason why divorce has to be damaging to children if the adults can be decent humans about it all. Kids can grow up happy and healthy in all kinds of different family set ups. Sadly, many people are just too caught up in fighting their ex and the kids become collateral damage.

I have every reason to hate my ex. That’s why we split up. But I have to continue to deal with him to support DS as he grows up. So I set my feelings aside (as does my ex) and we put DS’s needs first. DS is happy and is not harbouring hopes we’ll get back together or anything. He gets plenty of time with both parents, and we consult him about things where decisions need to be made. It’s extremely low conflict all round.

I’m always positive about his time with his dad too - I don’t try to make him feel guilty for loving him or enjoying spending time with him. Nor do I go on about how I miss him or how it’s awful that I didn’t get to do X with him or whatever. If DS is with his dad on his birthday, for example, I focus on the fun things they’re going to do and don’t even hint that I’d rather spend his birthday with him. It’s not about me.

My DH’s post divorce situation is different. His ex is a high conflict person generally. And DH is both irritatingly argumentative, a bit goady and often focused on what he wants (rather than the kids). It was a high conflict situation pre-separation, including violence from their mother even post-separation (she started kicking and punching him at the school gate on DSD’s first day at school because he’d annoyed her - almost certainly on purpose).

Arrangements for the DSC are pretty much always determined by their parents’ wants and they often argue about it. His ex has withdrawn contact just to force him to do what she wants more than once. The kids are increasingly manipulative because they know they can tell their mum things (often lies or exaggerations) and she’ll go mental and start shouting at DH down the phone. DH would be just as bad (except that I keep telling him how fundamentally awful this crap is for the kids, and to be the grown up and bite his tongue).

All of this definitely does affect the DSC. Their behaviour is pretty terrible and they’re both really quite weird in various ways. It’s not because their parents divorced. It’s the way they divorced and the way they continue to see the kids as a ground to be won. The DSC would be the same (possibly worse) if they’d stayed together because they’d be living with constant conflict. The entire relationship was like that (apparently) and the DC’s affections were a prize to be fought over long before they decided to call time on it.

That’s what screws kids up.

The really hard thing about separated families is that you just can’t force your ex to behave well. All you can do @Lovelymonkeyninetynine is to behave well yourself and hope he does the same. Hopefully he will.

It’s a good idea to make a parenting agreement that covers the key points, and then to just trust each other to parent in their own way beyond that. Children can adapt to different rules and situations in different houses, and trying to control your ex’s parenting just leads to misery all round. It’s important to recognise that your ex will do things you would never do, and just let it go (obviously there will be red lines - but that’s what a parenting agreement can cover).

Lovelymonkeyninetynine · 21/12/2020 14:54

Thank you so much everyone, some really good points and food for thought.
I'm just dreading it, my parents had a horrible divorce and it seriously damaged mine and my siblings relationship with our dad, who basically just fucked off.
Me and my dp I know are both committed to the kids I'm just so bloody disappointed that this is happening. It's nice to know others are facing this as well (iyswim) and I send virtual hugs and strength. It's a killer isn't it.

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Alys20 · 21/12/2020 19:16

@KumquatSalad lots of great advice there. The only problem is where you draw the red lines and what to do when the ex crosses them.

6 years on the best advice I can give is to get everything in writing, find a good counsellor to vent to, and pick your battles carefully.

KumquatSalad · 21/12/2020 20:14

@Alys20 I agree that drawing the red lines can be really hard. Tbh, there’s very little you can do about what happens with their other parent if they are not willing to cooperate with you.

If they are cooperative, you can agree basic principles and approaches. But always remembering that you aren’t the one with the final say - your ex might have different ideas.

I’d save red lines for things like safety and basic wellbeing. So, not feeding the kids at all is unacceptable; making them eat veg they dislike or most of the meals being junk food (or any other mealtime arrangement you disagree with) and you just have to let it go. Do it your way at your house and don’t worry about what happens elsewhere.

If those kind of basic red lines are crossed, then you’ve got big problems that require CAFCASS involvement really.

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