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Worried friend- toxic relationship?

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Daddyatethemincepies · 07/12/2020 14:02

My friend and I are very close having known each other since primary school. She moved away at 18 to a city around 6 hours from our home town, so we don’t see each other as often as we’d like but we still talk on the phone each week, always texting each other, and have maintained a strong friendship despite the distance.

My friend has always had a strong individual style, and is fiercely independent. She would never let a man hold a door open for her or accept help from a man. She’s always been very self-reliant and viewed women who relied on men as weak (this is relevant).

She met a lovely man around 10 years ago and seemed very happy and in love, and I was relieved that she had settled down with someone as nice as him (after a few disastrous relationships). She has always been very against marriage and had told him years ago that she would never get married and she didn’t want children, which he wasn’t happy about but he loved my friend so ultimately decided that he loved her more than the children that they didn’t have yet. They always seemed happy together and had a lovely life.

At the start of the first lockdown she announced that she’d ended their relationship because it wasn’t what she wanted anymore but she seemed very confused and couldn’t really explain why she felt that way.

At the start of September she accidentally sent me a photo on whatsapp of her and a lady kissing. She then rang me in a panic saying that this woman was just a friend and they’d been mucking around taking silly photos. After a little probing, she admitted that she was in a relationship with this woman, was very much in love, but she was worried that I would view her negatively because she was in a same sex relationship. I reassured her and told her that I would never judge her or think badly of her over who she loved and we ended the phone all in a very good place.

However, over the last few months I’ve been getting a worried feeling about this relationship and I’m not sure whether it’s justified or not.

1	Every time I speak on the phone with my friend she puts me on loud speaker or FaceTime so that her girlfriend can hear the conversation. She seems pretty friendly, always says hello and a bit of small talk, but then disappears just off screen so I think she’s gone but then she’ll answer questions that I ask my friend (Me: Friend, how was work this week. New girlfriend: She’s had a good week. She managed to finish xyz). My friend is now increasingly letting this woman speak for her. 

2	Her girlfriend has text me off my friend’s phone on a number of occasions and has now started intercepting my texts and responding to them. I’m not sure my friend even sees these texts that I send as I only get a response from the girlfriend. She doesn’t reply to all of them, but it’s increasing week by week. 

3	My friend has changed the way she styles and colours her hair because her girlfriend prefers it longer and a different colour.

4	She’s changed the way she dresses- her girlfriend buys her clothes to wear now and has verbally discouraged her from wearing certain items in her wardrobe. 

5	Her girlfriend doesn’t like my friend’s name. She says that it’s too ugly for her so she’s chosen a new name for her and refers to her by this name. 

6	She keeps buying my friend incredibly expensive gifts- for example, buying three or four pieces of expensive jewellery in one week. Then designer shoes the following week. Then three designer bags the next week. This woman doesn’t have a particularly well paid job so I’m not sure how she affords these gifts. 

7	The girlfriend wants to buy me a very expensive present for my upcoming birthday. I’ve said to my friend that there is no need (besides I have never met this woman so it feels ott and makes me feel uncomfortable) but whenever it’s brought up my friend says “oh she’s very stubborn...it’s easier just to let her have her own way rather than refuse”. 

8	She has huge opinions on everything and thinks she’s always right. She once disagreed with me about something I was factually right about and wouldn’t let it go until I backed down. I only backed down because I didn’t want an argument or to make things difficult for my friend. 

These are just a few examples of things that are concerning me. I can’t say she seems unpleasant as she’s perfectly pleasant when we’ve spoken on FaceTime, but the 8 points above, plus the huge change in my friend are concerning me. My friend is now saying that they are planning to get married and have a baby together. My friend just doesn’t seem like the same person anymore, and has become a stranger to me in only a few months. I don’t recognise her as the person I’ve known my whole life.

On the one hand I think, maybe everything about my friend before this woman was a front- she was always so independent, she would never rely on a man, her opinion was that women who married were giving their control over to men etc. Maybe she’s finally found what she has secretly always been looking for and is now content and happy to live a more conventional married life?

On the other hand, I feel like there are wanting signs here but maybe I’m overreacting?

What do you all think?

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Eesha · 07/12/2020 14:09

Her partner seems controlling. I would sit her down and discuss your concerns but ultimately you have to let her find her path.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 07/12/2020 15:38

Her girlfriend doesn’t like my friend’s name. She says that it’s too ugly for her so she’s chosen a new name for her and refers to her by this name.

What the actual fuck.

You sound like a lovely friend, your friend sounds like she is in a controlling relationship that has the potential to turn toxic and abusive.

I think all you can do is maybe flag it once, in person, and say you are worried about her (for the type of reasons you have shared here) and if she ever needs to speak to you about it - night or day - you'll always be there for her without judgment.

Then, and this is the hard part, you have to try not to mention it again. I say this as someone who made the mistake of trying to rescue a dear friend and unwittingly positioning myself as 'against' them as a couple - in her controlling partners words. I actually isolated her even further because by being so worried about her, I became a threat to her controlling partner who then didn't want her to see me.

It's awful watching it happen. Hopefully your friend will see what's happening and put an end to it Thanks

Daddyatethemincepies · 07/12/2020 17:10

@youvegottenminuteslynn

Her girlfriend doesn’t like my friend’s name. She says that it’s too ugly for her so she’s chosen a new name for her and refers to her by this name.

What the actual fuck.

You sound like a lovely friend, your friend sounds like she is in a controlling relationship that has the potential to turn toxic and abusive.

I think all you can do is maybe flag it once, in person, and say you are worried about her (for the type of reasons you have shared here) and if she ever needs to speak to you about it - night or day - you'll always be there for her without judgment.

Then, and this is the hard part, you have to try not to mention it again. I say this as someone who made the mistake of trying to rescue a dear friend and unwittingly positioning myself as 'against' them as a couple - in her controlling partners words. I actually isolated her even further because by being so worried about her, I became a threat to her controlling partner who then didn't want her to see me.

It's awful watching it happen. Hopefully your friend will see what's happening and put an end to it Thanks

I am just so worried about her as she seems to have changed into a completely different person (to the one I've known for the last 35 years) almost overnight.

That's great advice about mentioning it once and then not mentioning it again. I'm worried about saying anything at all to her tbh because she's so wrapped up in this woman and hanging onto every word that she says and I'm scared she'll distance herself from me if I'm at all critical which would make it even easier for her girlfriend to control her.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 07/12/2020 17:47

You poor thing, it's horrible to watch unfold isn't it. If you do decide to mention it once, do it in person rather than a text / email etc that her girlfriend could see Thanks

Mintlegs · 07/12/2020 20:10

If this is factually correct then it seems as if the person is controlling and maybe you should provide some examples generally in a casual way of forms of controlling behaviour. Do you actually like this person or is there history. I only say as I know of someone who hates her daughter in law and twisted similar things that were not true?

Daddyatethemincepies · 07/12/2020 23:37

@Mintlegs

If this is factually correct then it seems as if the person is controlling and maybe you should provide some examples generally in a casual way of forms of controlling behaviour. Do you actually like this person or is there history. I only say as I know of someone who hates her daughter in law and twisted similar things that were not true?
Well tbh I don't really know her as I've never met her in the flesh and only spoken to her via FaceTime or on loudspeaker on the phone. I guess I like her more than I dislike her, because the like is based on how she is when we speak which is friendly and easy to talk to, and the dislike is made up of small red flags that don't mean much individually but add up to a lot when they start coming together. She seems pleasant and certainly doesn't give the impression of being a nasty person, but then on the other hand I am seeing/hearing things that make me concerned for my friend. Plus my friend's complete personality change.
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Dumbie · 08/12/2020 11:04

It does sound quite controlling to me. I had a bf once that a lot of this and it was only when I stepped out of the relationship that I realised how awful it was.

Is your friend happy?

Oneearringlost · 08/12/2020 11:19

This sounds not good.
The only thing you have control over is the expensive gift from the GF to you.
Explain to your friend that this is inappropriate and would make you feel deeply uncomfortable and leave it there.
TBF there is little else you can do, apart from bringing up the points, just once as a PP has recommended, ideally face to face, and non judgementally which I'm sure you would do by the sound of your opening post.
It could be the whirl of 1st real love, and may assuage in a while.
I think it's important to realise you cannot change your friend but let her know you will be there for her.
Bit worrying about the interception of the texts as it has implications on how you can communicate with your friend but in the end, she has to call the shots.

Daddyatethemincepies · 08/12/2020 12:49

Thanks for the advice. I feel a bit helpless tbh being so far from her and not able to speak to her on her own. I will try and meet her soon (on her own) so that we can chat face to face and I'll hopefully be able to gauge what their relationship is like based on what she says and then only bring it up if it continues to be of concern. But I won't keep going on about it to her as I don't want her to feel pressured by me or like I'm the enemy.

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RandomMess · 08/12/2020 12:53

Can you use your birthday as an excuse to have a weekend away together just the two of you?

Daddyatethemincepies · 08/12/2020 13:05

@Dumbie

It does sound quite controlling to me. I had a bf once that a lot of this and it was only when I stepped out of the relationship that I realised how awful it was.

Is your friend happy?

She does seem happy most of the time, and she certainly says she's happy. But I find her quite cagey at times like she's only telling me half a story and I've noticed that she trips herself up with little lies but I can't work out why she would lie about the things she has lied about because they're so insignificant. She has always been very very open and very honest, so this side of her is new, but I don't know why she would be lying about silly little things.

For example, she lied about why the girlfriend had given her a bracelet and said it was a gift to congratulate her on passing an exam to do with work (and she then spoke about how relieved she was to have passed it as she hadn't studied enough for it, and I congratulated her). Then the next time I spoke to her a week later she said that she was hoping to get her exam result the following week and she was nervous because she hadn't studied as much as she'd wanted to and she was worried she wouldn't pass. I didn't say anything because I didn't want to embarrass her and I thought I'd misunderstood what she'd said the previous week but the more I've thought about it the more I've realised I was correct in my interpretation of what had happened. This kind of thing has happened a few times now. So I don't know. She seems happy, the girlfriend seems nice to speak to, but there are these little niggles at the same time.

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Daddyatethemincepies · 08/12/2020 13:08

@RandomMess

Can you use your birthday as an excuse to have a weekend away together just the two of you?
That's a really good idea actually. I was just wondering how I could get her on her own for a day or so.
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