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Has anyone else here been in a relationship with someone from a very different religious background?

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Trying2Heal · 03/12/2020 18:58

I’m supposedly Christian but basically agnostic. I’m most definitely not the preachy bible basher type.
My ex is a Muslim who pretended to be agnostic and to have never have practised Islam.
To give context, he was a vile abusive guy anyway so there’s more to this than religious differences BUT….a year into the relationship he literally suddenly had a total personality change. He revealed he’d been lying about not being a practising Muslim and admitted that he views “non believers” as “unclean” and he would sit there preaching about how much he loves Allah and how “disgusting” and “loose” British women are. He even told me that I am disgusting and “used goods” because I had had consensual sex with him without him being married to me or even proposing marriage. He said that no man respects a woman who would agree to this.

He also said a woman’s place is in the home having babies, breastfeeding, keeping the home up, cooking etc and that he’d never “allow” a woman to have a career once she’d given him children.

Obvs I should have left him immediately but I was actually shell-shocked and sort of frozen.

He said all sorts of increasingly spiteful hateful things to me, including that no man will ever want me because I’m used goods. He also said he’d only been involved with me because the alternative would be to have to go to prostitutes. And he said I should have realised all this because “what man would want to make a commitment to a woman who’s nearly 40 and has already had sex and has her own flat?”

This culminated in him sexually assaulting me and then sort of vanishing. Less than a month later he was married to a teenage Muslim girl he had gone overseas to marry. I learned this via Facebook.

I know that he was arrested and questioned about the sexual assault/rape but in the end I told police I didn’t want to continue with my complaint as the process was traumatising.

I never heard from him again. I forced myself to stop looking at his social media searching for clues as to what the heck happened, as it was becoming healthy. But the last time I saw his social media he’d posted a lot of anti-Semitic and he’d also praised Saddam Hussain and then countless posts about how Muslims should not associate with “non believers.”

To this day I do not fully understand what happened.

Why was it necessary to go through the elaborate pretence of posing as an agnostic and pretending to be progressive and pro women’s rights? What was the point???

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Trying2Heal · 03/12/2020 19:22

@TenShortStories

Religion is often not just about the set of beliefs that a person subscribes to, but also about their culture and the cultural background of their family. Both form a big part of someone's identity and influence how they relate to people around them. So he may or may not believe in the teachings of Islam, but he definitely wants to marry Muslim woman because that is an important part of how he fits in with other Muslims in his community.

His particular brand of abuse may be influenced by his religion (viewing non believers as unclean for instance) but ultimately his abusiveness is all about him - abusers come from all creeds and cultures.

Sorry you've been through that though - it's sounds horrendous.

Yes, I think that is pretty much what was going on.
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Trying2Heal · 03/12/2020 19:23

@Diverseduvet

Sorry these happened to you, but these things run very deep. He sounds like a total creep and I hope you're ok now.
Thanks. It's taken a lot to heal but I am getting there.
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RollneckJumper · 03/12/2020 22:13

I've been there.

I am a white atheist. My ex (Indian heritage, born in the UK) was raised a Muslim. His father was born and raised in the UK. His mother was born and raised in India and moved to the UK when they married.

We were together for 6 years. He drank alcohol, we had sex out of wed lock. He didn't pray or attend mosque. He hid this from his family. They assumed he was a good, practising Muslim.. apart from having a white, non-Muslim girlfriend.

His mum HATED the fact he was with me and refused to accept it. She knew my name but refused to refer to me as anything other than "Gora" which is a derogatory term for a white woman.

We lived together for a short while and his mother would constantly call him, crying down the phone, saying she needed him to come to hers urgently as there was an emergency (it wasn't). She'd say anything to pull him away from me. She said I could only step foot into her home if I converted to Islam and wore a hijab. I refused. Then she suggested I just wear the hijab and if anyone asked I should just pretend I had converted!! I refused again. I'm not pretending to be someone I'm not and as an atheist, I'm certainly not pretending to believe in a God.

He was never able to stand up for our relationship and I always felt second place to his mum. He and the relationship became distant. He said he was struggling with depression and needed space but was adamant he loved me and wanted us to be together. I believed him and wanted to support him through his mental health struggles. We stopped living together to give him space and the distance continued. I then found out he was sleeping with a colleague behind my back! I left him, of course.

I later found out that his colleague had left him too because she found out that he was married!!
Yep.. whilst we were together, about 5 years into our 6 year relationship - he got married behind my back! (I later found out his married was arranged and his wife is his younger cousin from up north). It explains why he became distant and wanted space. There was no depression, that was just a cover story. The coward didn't have the backbone to tell me he was going to go through with an arranged marriage and led me on for a year until I discovered he was sleeping with a colleague. Either he just couldn't bring himself to tell me because he is a coward or he wanted to have his cake and eat it.

Either way, the whole experience has cemented for me that I would never again allow myself to get involved with someone who was either religious themselves or heavily influenced by religious family members.

Swaning · 03/12/2020 22:34

In answer to your original question OP. Yes, i have. I am an athiest and dated a muslim.

He was actually a lovely guy - I didnt experience the same things as you. He had to live 2 lives though and was rather skilled at it. His parents would NEVER have accepted me and i never met them despite us living together etc.
He also had children with a previous gf (who he doted on) and he hid the kids from his parents for years until someone from the 'community' ratted on him to them. Even then, they never really accepted the children and it caused huge problems.

His younger brother was married off twice to muslim women (both wives ran away once had their UK visa), as he had almost no choice, its what his parents expected.
His brother was also a lovely caring guy but couldnt live the westernised life he wanted infront of his parents.

The pressure from community and families on muslim men is intense. You must conform and marry or you bring shame (lets not talk about the women, its the same or worse for them). Shame is the worst thing.

I was lucky, my ex was very liberal, raised money for Jewish and Christian charities, believed that the "gates to heaven are at your mothers feet" -i.e. women are to be respected at all times and didnt ask me to convert.
Ultimately though we were doomed because we couldnt have kids (i wouldnt want to hide them) and marriage was off the table. So we had no future.

I hope my story helps you understand. It doesnt excuse your exs behaviour - he has been a total shit - but! He probably was under pressure and what he said made HIM feel better about breaking it off.
He is still a dick, obviously though.

Trying2Heal · 04/12/2020 06:14

@RollneckJumper
OMG, that is so deceitful. Do you think the family pressure and incompatibility of such archaic views with modern British lives makes these guys lose the plot?

Because WTF did you ex think he was doing not only marrying someone else totally behind your back but also shagging a colleague???!!!
I'm disgusted.

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Trying2Heal · 04/12/2020 06:15

@Swaning

I don't really have any sympathy for anyone like this because if they know they are going to toe the line with their family and will ultimately just waste the time of any woman who is not from their faith/cultural background, they should stop wasting such women's time. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either go along with cultural expectations OR stand up for your right to lead the life you want.

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Ineedaduvetday · 04/12/2020 06:29

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

But some do. They lie, sleep with women, then once family pressure to get married gets too much, they dump the gf and marry who their parents want them to marry. Seen it a few times.

Mimishimi · 04/12/2020 06:30

Your ex was a jerk. Plenty of Christian men are like this too.

myhumps123 · 04/12/2020 06:34

Islam is a religion of peace and Women's rights are very important in Islam. Lying, cheating, beating, swearing at a female are strictly forbidden in Islam, a man should treat his wife as a precious diamond. OP the piece of shit that you have described is not a real Muslim, because real Muslim men treat their wives with upmost respect, they wouldn't have a girlfriend to sleep with for one.
He sounds completely messed up mentally, and from the sounds of it has some deep seated hatred of females. Nothing to do with Islam.
Just because he says he is a Muslim doesn't mean he is. Action speak louder then words.

myhumps123 · 04/12/2020 06:39

@Ineedaduvetday normally these men are emotionally blackmailed by their parents or grandparents. Yes these men should grow a pair and stand for what they believe however if you have a grandparent saying they going to be dead in a few years and their final wish is for him to get married to so and so , then your left between a rock and a hard place

Ineedaduvetday · 04/12/2020 06:48

@myhumps123

The ones I knew weren't. They went outside their faith for sex knowing all along they'd not marry their gf but marry someone of their parents choosing.

SlightDrizzle · 04/12/2020 06:50

I’ve seen on a number of occasions (chiefly, though not exclusively, with Muslim men) a temporary period of secularism (drinking, having sex, dating non-Muslims, eating pork, not praying etc) turning back into total traditionalism as they ‘settled down’. Often the trigger was marriage or having children.

Trying2Heal · 04/12/2020 06:53

@myhumps123

Having sex with a girlfriend you're in a relationship isn't "disrespectful"

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Trying2Heal · 04/12/2020 06:54

@Ineedaduvetday

Exactly.

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Trying2Heal · 04/12/2020 06:57

@SlightDrizzle

I think a major part of the issue they're not upfront with the women they're date. They choose to lie and pretend they're not religious and that they're open to marrying outside their faith precisely because they know the truth ("I just want to use you for fun and then dump you") would make almost every woman run a mile

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myhumps123 · 04/12/2020 07:03

@Trying2Heal it's not disrespectful at all. Sex is fun and enjoyable. I had sex with my husband before marriage, but in Islam sex before marriage is forbidden. Your ex was a piece of shit who had no respect for females. Islam didn't teach him to beat, to sexually violate , to disrespect a female. Your ex had no morals, values, if he says he was a Muslim, doesn't mean he is. Real Muslim men, who follow the teaching of Islam would treat a woman with upmost respect.

AlternativePerspective · 04/12/2020 07:22

This thread is coming very close to being a Muslim bashing thread.

I think the important thing to remember is that people (and it’s not only men) often use their religion, any religion as a justification for their beliefs/prejudices/behaviours.

So let’s take homophobia in the Christian church for instance. A lot of people will say that they disagree with people being gay. Truth is they hold those views for themselves, but because society doesn’t accept that people express those kinds of views they shield them behind “it says in the bible that man shall not lay with man,” (or whatever the wording is.) That way they hope that people won’t challenge them because “it’s their religious belief.”

Except society has begun to challenge these prejudices and they are no longer tolerated, even in the name of religion. But doesn’t stop people trying.

My DP is fairly devout Christian, or he was. But what seemed to happen is that once he left the church he had belonged to, his eyes opened up to the fact that life just isn’t that insular. But sadly we have a long way to go before most adopt those more liberal views.

Trying2Heal · 04/12/2020 07:25

@myhumps123

I feel so sorry for the girl he has married.
She is 17 and he's in his 40s
He actually emailed me bragging that his new wife has "never been touched by any other man" and he referred to her as "my little girl. She worships me."
He also said there's no need to get to know someone before marriage and that meeting someone a couple of times (which was the case with this girl) is more than enough and prevents disillusionment from setting in
Envy

I clearly dodged a bullet.

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surreymum89 · 04/12/2020 07:29

Yes I have a relationship with a Muslim , we have children ,met when we were late teens now early 30's, his family are very religious and lovely , adore our children !

Some cultural differences obviously, there are less boundaries with immediate family , his mum often asks him to sort things for her , like make phone calls or go with her to a doctors appointment and he has had family members telling him that he should send money back to extended family abroad that he has never met.

So that answers your original question but your experience sounds horrible , sorry you had to go through that.

CayrolBaaaskin · 04/12/2020 07:29

I know a few religious Muslims quite well (I’m Jewish) and none of them have your ex’s beliefs. Thinking white women are dirty is a bigoted racist belief- it has nothing to do with Islam. In Islam men are allowed to marry non Muslim women.

Your ex was a misogynist and a horrible person by the sounds of things. But please don’t get the idea that all religious people (of whatever religion) are like that. They’re not. Some are good, some are bad. Same as anyone.

Trying2Heal · 04/12/2020 07:35

@CayrolBaaaskin
He didn't say white women are dirty, he said non Muslim women are dirty.
I'm not white.

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FrancesHaHa · 04/12/2020 08:04

Abusive men use all sorts of things to be abusive. Religion is quite a common one and can be used against women within that religion and not part of that religion. There are many people of faith who are working to counter this but essentially it's just another form of misogyny.

Abusive men like him will often end up marrying women who are younger and with less power so may be easier to control, for example may have insecure immigration status. I'm would be very surprised if he is not abusive to his wife.

I'm sorry to hear you had this experience.

Insertfunnyname · 04/12/2020 08:05

@ myhumps123 errrr perhaps you’ve missed what’s going on in the Middle East with regards to women’s rights etc...

You’re whitewashing reality here.

Shadowboy · 04/12/2020 08:10

My mum is a practicing Christian and my dad is a Muslim when I grew up we had both books in the home. We learnt about both religions but were never forced into either. They are still happily married 30 years on...

Atrixie · 04/12/2020 08:14

Diverseduvet

I find it very difficult to believe the local rabbi was eating bacon in a pub.

@Diverseduvet I agree, that simply isn’t true.

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